Template talk:Authority control

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MusicBrainz[edit]

MusicBrainz appears to be a WP:USERG site. Why are we including its content? I think it should be removed. Toddst1 (talk) 22:03, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Previous discussions: Template talk:Authority control/Archive 7 § MusicBrainz at ELN → Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard/Archive 21 § MusicBrainz
Also related: Template talk:Authority control/Archive 7 § Bot request to place template on all biographies → Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard/Archive 21 § Authority control
— AfroThundr (u · t · c) 01:56, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Information Center for Israeli Art artist ID[edit]

Would be nice to add Information Center for Israeli Art artist ID (P1736). For example Ya'acov Dorchin would get a link to [1]. Multichill (talk) 15:20, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done; 402 pages updating. FYI you can use {{wdpl}} to easily produce the property name + number + link like so: Information Center for Israeli Art artist ID (P1736).   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  15:13, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Argument to disable WorldCat Identities links[edit]

Can we add an argument to disable generation of WorldCat Identities links?

There are some works that have VIAF IDs but do not have a WorldCat Identities page. Some examples are video games in the BNF (National Library of France) namespace like No Man's Sky or Acts of Congress in the LCCN (Library of Congress) such as Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

Being able to set worldcatid=no to suppress generating that link would be helpful for those articles so that users don't see 404 errors on what are usually good links. William Graham talk 21:41, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done. You may now suppress WorldCat Identities via a blank |WORLDCATID=, similar to all other parameters.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  11:18, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
The issue goes beyond that. Compare An American in Paris which doesn't have a VIAF ID (or it's not given) but still tries to add a WorldCat Identities link. Just how many broken links of this type does the template generate? Is it useful to generate those links automatically when chances are that they may well be broken and need to be manually suppressed? Huon (talk) 18:52, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Huon, that is because WorldCat is a conditional composite ID based either on VIAF or LCCN; so this is another example of the same problem, with the solution being suppression via |WORLDCATID=. I'm not familiar enough with these IDs (I'm just incrementally updating the code) to know if there's a way to automatically detect/confirm WORLDCATID existence. I'll try to write up and run a scan in the near-ish future to see how many 404s I find.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  20:13, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Is there some way of figuring out automatically whether the topic is a person or not? It's my understanding that for people the WorldCat ID should exist whereas for anything else it shouldn't, so if the template made that distinction and only showed the WorldCat ID for people that might help. Huon (talk) 20:47, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Huon, that would simplify things immensely. Yes, I can check for instance of (P31) human (Q5) before applying WORLDCATID logic.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  21:04, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
I don't guarantee that every person for which the template might generate a link has a WorldCat Identity, and conversely there seem to be some bizarre entries for non-persons: [2][3] (the latter is actually linked from the Berlin article). So unfortunately that idea doesn't work after all. Huon (talk) 21:17, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
More bizarre links. Crown Resorts has link to Crown where the VIAF entry seems to comingle a Swedish hard rock band, a garden book author, and the resort holding company (and possibly others). — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 03:19, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Worldcat missing internal link[edit]

For example if we look at this template output:

The other entries have an internal wiki link too but worldcat only has an external link. For consistency and general usefulness an internal link for wc too would be nice. (Perhaps make the word Worldcat the int link and the word identities the ext link? to avoid repeating the word worldcat). Thanks for reading. 193.167.228.180 (talk) 08:09, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  13:40, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Version that includes sister projects[edit]

Do we have a version of this template that includes sister project links? The Español WP has a nice version—see bottom of this page, for example. czar 12:52, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Czar, there is not. Getting the pencil icon link to WikiData required a VPPR. A link to Commons, per example, has/should have nothing to do with Authority Control. The reason WikiData is linked-to is to facilitate update/corrections.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  13:52, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
I was thinking more that it's nice to have a single template that adds, when applicable: sister links, authority control, portals. Ideally this could all be automated from pulling from Wikidata. Point taken on leaving extra items out of the AC listing, but alternatively could devise a horizontal sister project links template that pairs well with AC, such that another template could bundle both into a single transclusion. A thought. czar 10:34, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
The same links already exist in the left-hand menu both on es: & here as "In other projects - Wikimedia Commons" and "Wikidata item". Would it be unhelpful in that readers will get used to the links in the authority control box and, when faced with an article which lacks the box, forget that they're available in the left-hand menu? Just my 2¢. Cabayi (talk) 12:50, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
I don't think that has been an argument against the common use of {{commons}}, {{Commons category-inline}}, {{sister project links}}, etc. It's just an argument for giving a horizontal version that integrates better with the exiting navbox structure. czar 12:59, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Not sure if this is related but finnish-language -wiki has some additions and some localization changes so the module versions are not identical (although they are supposed to be closely similar). Is there a way to add one modification in particular to "generic" version that uses Kansallisbiografia ID (P2180) property from wikidata? I suppose that one in particular would be useful in other language versions as well in articles of some topics. Ipr1 (talk) 01:21, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
There's some thousands of cases for that property in use and they refer to Suomen kansallisbiografia. Ipr1 (talk) 01:31, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

How to add an authority control[edit]

I'd like to request Terminologia anatomica (and some other fields) are added to the authority control template for anatomy articles. It's a widely used form of AC anatomically and currently included in all our anatomy article infoboxes. Would this be the right venue to propose this? --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:14, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Tom (LT), Terminologia Anatomica 98 ID (P1323) is available at Wikidata to add to the AC template. What others? If no objections, I'll add it/them after a week or so.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  14:19, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Using this template for songs and albums[edit]

Would it be appropriate to make it possible to this template for works of popular music? I do anticipate it being somewhat problematic, since some identifiers for albums may/should be on separate edition items, and identifiers for songs (compositions) may/should be on separate recording/track and single/release items, so the template would have to indicate which identifiers belong to which entity. A lot of Wikidata's music identifiers are also for companies/services like Spotify rather than databases like Discogs. Jc86035's alternate account (talk) 11:33, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia articles with faulty <ID> identifiers[edit]

The category name convention is as follows (ICIA used as the most recent example):

  1. Category:Miscellaneous pages with ICIA identifiers‎
  2. Category:User pages with ICIA identifiers‎
  3. Category:Wikipedia articles with ICIA identifiers‎
  4. Category:Wikipedia articles with faulty authority control identifiers (ICIA)‎ (current)
  5. Category:Wikipedia articles with faulty ICIA identifiers (future)

#4 is clearly an outlier, so I plan on converting all #4s to #5 to bring them in-line.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  17:23, 18 November 2018 (UTC)