Forty and Eight

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Forty and Eight
La Societe des Quarante Hommes et Huit Chevaux
The Society of Forty Men and Eight Horses
40 & 8 emblem.jpg
Named after40/8 Boxcar
FormationMarch 1920 (1920-03)
FounderJoseph W. Breen
Founded atPhiladelphia
Headquarters250 East 38th Street,
Indianapolis, Indiana
Coordinates39°49′31″N 86°09′09″W / 39.8252874°N 86.1525609°W / 39.8252874; -86.1525609
Area served

La Societe des Quarante Hommes et Huit Chevaux (English: "The Society of Forty Men and Eight Horses"; usually shortened to Forty and Eight), is an organization of U.S. veterans with headquarters in Indianapolis, Indiana. It was originally founded by Joseph W. Breen in March 1920 as an honor society for The American Legion.


The organization (also known as "La Société") can trace its roots back to 1920, when Joseph W. Breen and 15 other members of the American Legion, who were veterans of World War I, came together and founded it as an honor society for certain Legion members. They envisioned a new and different level of elite membership and camaraderie for leaders of the American Legion.

The title "40 & 8" comes from the box cars that were used to transport troops to the front in France. Each car had the emblem 40/8 stenciled on the sides, which meant that it could carry 40 men or 8 horses. These cars were known as forty-and-eights. They were seen by the troops as a miserable way to travel, and the new organization was thus called the 40 & 8 in an attempt to make some light of the common misery they had all shared.

In 1929 it was described as "the fun-making organization of the American Legion."[1]

In 1959 the 40 & 8 became independent of the American Legion when the Legion's National Commander, Martin McKneally, discontinued the 40 & 8 as an organization within the American Legion for having racially discriminatory membership requirements. [2] In 1973 the 40 & 8 modified their membership rules to prohibit racial discrimination. The Society required its members to also be members of the American Legion until 2008.[3]


Membership is by invitation and open to all Honorably Discharged Veterans and all Military Personnel currently serving the United States Armed Forces, per a 2008 change to Article IV of la Societe's constitution. Combat service is not required for membership.[4]

From the beginning, La Société only allowed men into its ranks, even though many women were veterans in their own right and thus, could have been eligible. But that changed at the 2006 National Convention, when the majority of delegates present voted to allow women into the ranks for the first time.


The Forty and Eight is involved in several charitable causes.

Child Welfare[edit]

La Société's first program was designed to provide care and scholarships for the children of servicemen not returning home after World War I. Today; the Child Welfare program is mostly involved with providing help for any family with children under 18 that have been devastated by some disaster.

Nurses' Training[edit]

La Société provides scholarships to people desiring to become nurses under the Nurses' Training program. A prospective nurse need not be a military veteran to receive aid under this program.

Youth Sports[edit]

La Société also helps to finance sports programs for children who are disadvantaged in some way, such as through mental or physical challenges or lack of money. People who receive this aid need not be military veterans.

Carville Star[edit]

As one of their ongoing programs, the Voyageurs Militaire offer continuing support of the publication, "The Carville Star," which disseminates the information regarding the research into Hansen's Disease (Leprosy) taking place in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. There they have been successful in isolating, controlling and soon, through their research, the development of a vaccine to prevent Hansen's Disease. "The Star" is published at the former United States Public Health Service Hospital located in Carville, Louisiana. This patient-published publication carries the research works of not only this center, but those of the rest of the world, and is translated into and forwarded to 128 countries in addition to a circulation of more than 60,000 in the United States.


Forty and Eight railroad float, a locomotive on rubber tires owned by the 40et8 voiture at Shortsville, New York drives in the parade for the Wayne County Fair on August 17th, 2018.

The local unit of the 40 & 8 is the Voiture (boxcar). It often covers a specific city, county, or American Legion post. Above that is the Grande (state) level. Each state has its own Grande, as well as the District of Columbia, and there are grandes for Mexico, France, Latin America and several other locations where US military veterans make their homes abroad. 40 & 8 National Headquarters is located in Indianapolis, Indiana. 40 & 8 members refer to each other as "Voyageurs" (passengers), in that all members have shared the demands and hardship of military service and have taken the same journey. They are also known as Forty-and-Eighters.

The 40 & 8 is down significantly in membership numbers compared to years past, but it is still very much in existence with a membership of about 21,000 in 2019.

Although the 40 & 8 is not a classical secret society, much of the ritual is a secret to non-members. Some veterans' organizations are like this. A member can disclose that he or she belongs to said organization, but not all of what goes on at its meetings. An official meeting of the 40 & 8 is known as a Promenade. It has its own set ritual.

The ceremony to initiate a new member, known as a P.G. for Poor Goof or Prisoner de Gare into the 40 & 8 is known as a wreck. Anyone wishing to enter the 40 & 8 must be wrecked, after which the initiate has earned the right to be referred to as a Voyageur Militair and a full member of La Société.

The 40 & 8 as a whole is divided into regions. These regions follow geographical lines and each region encompasses multiple states. For example, the Central States includes Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Texas. The MinnDakota region includes Minnesota, North Dakota and South Dakota. Other regions include Heart of Dixie and Northwest, which includes, among others, Wyoming and New Mexico.

Notable members[edit]


  1. ^ a b Associated Press, "Forty and Eight Elects E. Snapper Ingram," Los Angeles Times, October 4, 1929, p. 5 (Library card required.)
  2. ^,9171,894326,00.html
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  5. ^ "Lonnie O. Aulds political card". Retrieved August 12, 2013.
  6. ^ "Funeral for Pike Hall at 11 A.M. Today – Prominent Attorney, Civic Leader Succumbs After Brief Illness". The Shreveport Times. December 17, 1945. pp. 1, 6. Retrieved March 26, 2015.
  7. ^ "Hathaway's campaign card". 1970. Retrieved June 19, 2014.
  8. ^ "Rites Set for Ex-Councilman," Los Angeles Times, April 21, 1966, p. B-8
  9. ^ "Charles Marvin". Retrieved November 26, 2013.
  10. ^ "Sullivan, William T. 1894". Wisconsin Historical Society. Retrieved October 6, 2013.
  11. ^ "East Carroll Parish, Louisiana, Genealogy, August 24, 2010". Retrieved May 31, 2013.

Further reading[edit]

  • Betten, Bill. "The 40 and 8". World War I Centennial. United States Foundation for the Commemoration of the World Wars. Retrieved August 5, 2020.

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