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Archive Index[edit]

How can I display an Archive index in my talkheader like that is seen on this talk page? I have been trying some stuff but I can't figure it out. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 16:33, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

@Jahn1234567890: I just saw your question now. I see that you figured how to add it in the meantime. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:05, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

I have the same question. Would like to set up an archive in the header the same way, but everything I try creates a box on the right side. 1305cj (talk) 22:18, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

@1305cj: Did you menage to solve the problem? Vanjagenije (talk) 23:39, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
No not yet. The talk page has a talk header so... that should have archives or search archive function on it right? But nothing's been archived yet so it doesn't show. I'm reading through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Archiving_a_talk_page cut and paste and step-by-step procedures but getting confusing, and I don't want to mess up anything on the talk page if I don't get it right. I'm not trying to archive the entire page, just clean it up by archiving certain entries that have been resolved. 1305cj (talk) 00:00, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
@1305cj: Which page are you archiving and where is the archive page located? Vanjagenije (talk) 16:16, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Need new example page[edit]

According to the "Example pages" section of this article:

Talk:Jesus has a mixture of numbered and topical archives. It also includes a summary of recently archived discussions.

I wanted to see this mixture. Maybe I'm wrong, but the mixture seems to no longer exist. At present, its Archives consist of "Index" and numbers 1-125.

Would you please update "Help:Archiving a talk page" to include an article that has "a mixture of numbered and topical archives" and an archive box? Thanks. Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 13:39, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

@Knife-in-the-drawer: Actually, that article still has a mixture of numbered and topical archives (see: [1]). But, on 13 May, FutureTrillionaire removed the archivebox template from the article in this edit. In the edit summary, he wrote that he is "pretty sure we dont need these archive links". I would like to hear from him why he thinks we don't need those links. Those links were actually the only way to know about those archives, if you don't search for them explicitly. I think they should be left on the talk page. Vanjagenije (talk) 19:41, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
That got got fixed by Vanjagenije adding the content directly to the article, inside the {{tl:archive box}} call. --Elvey(tc) 18:10, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

From manual to automatic archiving?[edit]

Is it possible to put automatic archiving with bots on a talk page that is already being archived manually? The talk page I am interested in archive with a bot is this one.--Forich (talk) 17:51, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

@Forich: Yes. There is one existing archive with the odd name Talk:Colombian Armed Conflict/Archives/2006/02. That could be moved to Talk:Colombian conflict (1964–present)/Archive 1 so that the usual templates will find it; and then the bot can be told to start at archive number 2. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:02, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
@Forich: I've done it for you. Now, wait for the bot to do the archiving. Bot runs once a day. Vanjagenije (talk) 19:08, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks --Forich (talk) 21:14, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Archive function?[edit]

Hello. Could anyone find out why my User talk:Chicbyaccident doesn't seem to archive properly, and if possible activate the function? Thank you! Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:42, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

@Chicbyaccident: It looks fine to me; the instructions at the top ask for everything older than 90 days to be archived, and that is happening. If you want the October posts to be archived sooner, then reduce the "age = 2160" to something smaller - that's a number of hours. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:51, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
Alright. Was just wondering. Thanks for your reply. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:54, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Manually archive sections of an autoarchived page?[edit]

This doesn't seem to work, or will it be done later? --.jsWP: [democracy needed] 01:00, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

@.js: {{archiving}} only adds a notice that the section/page is being archived; it doesn't speed up the process in any way. Graham87 03:06, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
But how can it be done? --.jsWP: [democracy needed] 00:22, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
I don't think it's possible. Graham87 10:18, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

@.js: What exactly do you want to do? Vanjagenije (talk) 12:18, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

See WP:VPT#How do I manually bot-archive talk sections? --.jsWP: [democracy needed] 08:27, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
@.js: I am still not sure what you want to do. I understand that you wwant to force archiving of certain sections on the page. You can do it in two ways. One way is to install OneClickArchiver. That script lets you archive section with one click. Other way is to use the ClueBot III and than to use "archivenow" parameter (MiszaBot/Lowercase sigmabot III does not allow that, you have to use ClueBot III). If you set the "archivenow" to some value (i.e. "archivenow=<nowiki>{{archiving}}</nowiki>"), then all sections containing the string "{{archiving}}" will be archived immediately (on the next bot run). Vanjagenije (talk) 14:01, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Links to archives[edit]

Is there any plausible reason to not have links to all archives available on the page that was archived? The language in this help page and WP:TALK only suggests it, and I don't think there's any other policy or guideline or anything of the sort that discusses it. I am aware that generally this information is available in the edit history (unless it's manually archived via cut-and-paste move with no edit summary or something) and the content that's been archived is definitely still available, but for ease of access and (potentially) transparency for those who don't want to go digging through diffs, they should be explicitly linked from something like {{archives}}, correct? This is partly in response to the #Need new example page thread above, but I think it's probably worth discussion as an issue on its own. ansh666 23:37, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes, they ideally should be linked. I always thought this was common sense, though. Graham87 05:37, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
I've noticed that new users don't always add the link templates to talk pages when they set up archiving; on articles this is usually caught and added quickly, but not always on talk pages. I guess what I'm asking is, should it be required? ansh666 01:28, 24 April 2016 (UTC) (Cross-linked at WT:TALK, where this should ideally have been started. ansh666 01:28, 24 April 2016 (UTC))
well absolutely archives should be linked, that is a no-brainer. Template:Talk header does that automatically. Jytdog (talk) 02:31, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Why is example minthreadstoarchive set to 1?[edit]

For those of us who don't like the Extended Watchlist and don't hide bots, every bot edit pings everyone who has the page in their watchlist. Given that archiving is never urgent, wouldn't a higher minthreadstoarchive default be better, so that the bot doesn't clutter up watchlists as often? Is there any significant downside? Rolf H Nelson (talk) 05:15, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

@Rolf h nelson: But, it can be set to any number. I don't really understand what change do you want to make? Vanjagenije (talk) 14:28, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Many people are likely to just copy the given example, so the example should obviously contain "best practices". If best practices would usually be 1, it should say 1; if best practices would usually be, say, 3, it should say 3. It seems to me that 3 would be a better setting than 1 is. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 17:39, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Feel free to change it. Default number is 2 (if the parameter is omitted, it is automatically set at 2). Vanjagenije (talk) 00:05, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
I preferred 1, so as the default is 2, I am going to change it to that, and it is a compromise. -- PBS (talk) 10:43, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
@PBS: There is no point to set the "minthreadstoarchive" parameter ti 2 becaouse 2 is the default value. If it is set to "2" then it should be omitted, as that would be the same. 12:33, 14 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vanjagenije (talkcontribs)
I'm re-pinging PBS because the previous ping probably didn't work. Graham87 13:56, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────There is a point to setting to to 2 because as Rolf H Nelson wrote 'Many people are likely to just copy the given example, so the example should obviously contain "best practices".' I set it to two as it is a compromise and presumably the default is the "best practice". If it is not the best practice then the default ought to be changes. -- PBS (talk) 14:06, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Archive links[edit]

Automatic archiving was enabled for Talk:Scranton general strike quite some time ago, to the point that 20 archives have been created by sigmabot. Unfortunately there was no archive box created, so there are no links to any of the archived versions. To make matters worse, there was an intervening name change.

So all in all, I have no idea how to untangle the mess of archives. Does it have to be done manually? Would doing it manually mess up the bot somehow? TimothyJosephWood 15:03, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

For some reason the archiving counter was set to start at 17, so there are only 4 archive pages, numbered Archive 17, 18, 19, 20. The Search button in the archive box will show these: Noyster (talk), 18:43, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
I fixed it . Vanjagenije (talk) 18:47, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
All the thanks. TimothyJosephWood 18:50, 18 August 2016 (UTC)