|Real name||József Kreul Bugner|
|Height||6 ft 4 in (1.93 m)|
|Reach||82 in (210 cm)|
13 March 1950 |
|Wins by KO||43|
József Kreul "Joe" Bugner (born 13 March 1950) is a Hungarian-born British-Australian former heavyweight boxer and actor. He holds triple nationality, being a citizen of Hungary and a naturalized citizen of both Australia and the United Kingdom. As an actor he is best known for his role in the 1994 action film Street Fighter, alongside Jean-Claude Van Damme and Raul Julia.
Born in Szőreg, a southeastern suburb of Szeged in southern Hungary, Bugner and his family fled after the 1956 Soviet invasion and settled in England. Standing at 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) with a prime weight of around 220 pounds (100 kg), Bugner twice held the British and British Commonwealth heavyweight titles and was a three-time European heavyweight champion. He was ranked among the world's top ten heavyweights in the 1970s, fighting such opponents as Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Ron Lyle, Jimmy Ellis, Manuel Ramos, Chuck Wepner, Earnie Shavers, Henry Cooper, Brian London, Mac Foster, Rudie Lubbers, Eduardo Corletti, Jurgen Blin and George Johnson. He fought for the world heavyweight championship in 1975, losing on points in a second bout with Ali.
Bugner retired from boxing in 1976, but over the next two decades he made sporadic comebacks with varying success. He relocated to Australia in 1986, adopting the nickname "Aussie Joe", beating fighters such as Greg Page, David Bey, Anders Eklund and James Tillis before retiring again after a TKO loss to Frank Bruno in 1987. He made a final comeback during the 1990s, winning the Australian heavyweight title in 1995 and the lightly regarded World Boxing Federation (WBF) heavyweight championship in 1998 at the age of 48. He retired for the last time in 1999 with a final record of 69-13-1, including 43 wins by knockout.
Joe and his family fled to the United Kingdom in the late 1950s because of the Soviet Union's invasion of Hungary in 1956 after the Hungarian Uprising of that year. They settled in the Cambridgeshire town of St Ives in the Fens, and so, as local custom dictated, he was known as a Fen Tiger. At school Bugner excelled in sports and was the national junior discus champion in 1964. Joe lived and trained in Bedford during his early boxing years, he was a regular at Bedford Boys Club under the training of Paul King. Joe went to Goldington Road School Bedford.
Bugner had a short amateur career, he fought sixteen times, winning thirteen bouts. He turned professional in 1967 (at the unusually young age of seventeen) on the advice of his then trainer and friend Andy Smith. Smith was unhappy with the choice of Bugner's opponents and Smith believed that he could better control the quality of Bugner's opponents in the professional game. He had a losing debut against Paul Brown on 20 December 1967 at the London Hilton, where he suffered a TKO in the third round. Showing gritty determination, after his debut the teenage Bugner went on to win a remarkable 18 consecutive fights in under 2 years during 1968 and 1969 (including 13 stoppage victories) before narrowly losing to the older and vastly more experienced Dick Hall. Bugner bounced back and rounded off the 1960s with 3 further stoppage victories.
In 1970 Bugner emerged internationally as an outstanding young prospect, and by the end of the year he was world rated. He won ne consecutive bouts that year, including victories over well known boxers such as Chuck Wepner, Manuel Ramos, Johnny Prescott, Brian London, Ray Patterson, Eduardo Corletti, Miguel Angel Paez and George Johnson.
Bugner was now positioned to challenge world rated Englishman Henry Cooper, who had nearly knocked out Muhammad Ali a few years previously, for Cooper's British, British Commonwealth and European titles. However, because Bugner was still too young to fight for the British Commonwealth title (the minimum age was twenty-one years old at the time), this much anticipated bout had to be postponed until the next year. While waiting to come of age, in 1971 Bugner defeated Carl Gizzi and just weeks later and weeks before facing Cooper, drew with Bill Drover.
Starting in his early years as a professional and continuing for the rest of his career, Bugner earned a reputation as a tough, durable but often exceptionally defensive and cautious boxer. He was criticized often for lacking natural aggression in the ring. Some observers argued that Bugner's heart was never in boxing after an early opponent, Ulric Regis, died from brain injuries soon after being outpointed by Bugner at London's Shoreditch Town Hall.
Defeat of Henry Cooper
In March 1971, Bugner finally met veteran Cooper, and won a fifteen-round decision. Bugner won the bout by the slimmest of margins, 1/4 point, on the card of the lone official, Harry Gibbs. The British sporting public and press were deeply divided about the verdict. Many felt that Cooper deserved the decision due to his steady aggression. But Bugner fought effectively on the defense and scored often with his left jab, and in the opinion of many, was the rightful winner of the bout. The Times, among others, scored the fight in favour of Bugner. Still, the outcome of the bout is regarded as one of the most controversial in British boxing history.
Nonetheless, Bugner was now the British, British Commonwealth, and European champion, and for the first time he was ranked among the world's top ten heavyweights. Bugner would remain in the world ratings for most of the rest of the decade.
Bugner retained his European title with a decision over tough German heavyweight Jürgen Blin.
However, later in 1971, Bugner lost decisions to underdogs Jack Bodell and Larry Middleton; sandwiched between these losses was a victory over Mike Boswell. The Bodell fight was particularly costly, depriving Bugner of his British, British Commonwealth and European championships. Bugner's relative inexperience, his youth and lack of an extensive amateur background, (and possibly the lingering controversy surrounding the Cooper fight), were the chief causes of these defeats.
In 1972, Bugner won eight consecutive fights, including a knockout over Jürgen Blin for the European championship, an impressive knockout against the tough Tony Doyle (who had beaten Thad Spencer, and Terry Daniels, took Jerry Quarry the distance), and had further KO's over the then unbeaten Doug Kirk and the useful Italian Dante Cane. By the end of this year, Bugner had acquired sufficient seasoning as a boxer, that his manager began seeking matches against the world's best heavyweights.
In 1973 Bugner began the year by retaining his European belt with a victory over the capable Dutchman Rudie Lubbers. The 23-year-old Bugner then lost twelve-round decisions to Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier. Although the scorecards in the Ali fight were somewhat lopsided, Bugner fought well, and he won the respect of the boxing media and public alike. After their bout, Ali declared that Bugner was capable of being world champion. Ali's trainer Angelo Dundee later echoed that sentiment. The fight with Frazier in July 1973 at Earls Court in London was deemed a classic. After being knocked down by a tremendous left hook in the tenth round, Bugner arose and staggered Frazier to close the round. Frazier took the decision, but only narrowly, and arguably only George Foreman and Muhammad Ali ever gave Frazier a harder fight. Many regard the Frazier bout as being Bugner's best career performance.
After the Ali and Frazier fights, Bugner won a further 8 bouts in a row, his most notable victories being over top contender and ex-WBA World Heavyweight Champion Jimmy Ellis, the highly rated Mac Foster, Pat Duncan and European title defences against Giuseppe Ros, Dante Cane and Mario Baruzzi. By the end of 1974 Bugner was rated among the top five heavyweight contenders in the world.
Bugner challenged Muhammad Ali for the world championship in June 1975, the bout being held in Kuala Lumpur, with Ali winning a relatively one-sided fifteen-round decision. Bugner performed fairly well, but maintained a strictly defensive posture throughout most of this fight, perhaps due to the blistering tropical heat, and as a result he was widely scorned by the media and public. In an interview during an April 2008 reunion with Henry Cooper, Bugner defended his tactics in the Ali fight as having been necessary due to the extreme temperature and humidity of the outside venue.
Regains British, European & Commonwealth titles
Early in 1976, Bugner announced his retirement from boxing, stating that he no longer felt motivated to fight professionally. Within months however he returned to the ring, expressing disgust at Richard Dunn's performance against Ali and in October he blasted out Richard Dunn in the first round to reclaim the British, British Commonwealth, and European championships. Onlookers state that they had never seen Bugner angry before, and that while Dunn's supporters had waged a quite unsportsmanlike campaign against Bugner, if he had fought like that in his earller career he could have gone further.
In 1977, Bugner lost a close twelve-round decision away from home to top contender Ron Lyle. The scores were 57-53 and 56-54 for Lyle against 55-54 for Bugner. After this bout, Bugner again retired, making only sporadic comebacks to the ring over the next decades.
Bugner returned to the ring for brief periods in the 1980s and 1990s, but due to the effects of age and inactivity, he was never again as effective as he had been during his prime.
After a three-year absence from the ring, Bugner returned in May 1980, knocking out fringe contender Gilberto Acuna, before promptly retiring again. In 1982, a ring rusty Bugner (having had only one short fight in 5 years and weighing in some 25 lbs above his prime fighting weight) fought the hard-hitting top contender Earnie Shavers, but was stopped in the second round due to a badly cut eye. However, Bugner decided to continue his comeback, stopping the useful John Dino Denis and fringe contender Danny Sutton, as well as domestic contenders Winston Allen and Eddie Neilson. In 1983, a subdued and unmotivated Bugner lost to Marvis Frazier, showing little ambition throughout the bout. He followed this with a decision over future European champion Anders Eklund and a controversial loss to future World Title challenger Steffen Tangstad. Bugner appeared to have done enough to win this fight, however, like with the Frazier and Eklund bouts, he appeared unmotivated and uninterested throughout.
Comeback in Australia
In 1986 he moved to Australia, where he adopted the nickname Aussie Joe after taking out dual British-Australian nationality. In Australia, Bugner launched a fairly successful comeback, earning good victories over world title contenders James Tillis and David Bey and an impressive victory over former WBA heavyweight champion Greg Page, gaining a world ranking in the process, after which he spoke of challenging reigning heavyweight champion Mike Tyson. However, there was great clamour for a fight with fellow Briton Frank Bruno. The bout was touted as the biggest all-British heavyweight bout since Cooper Vs Bugner in 1971. The bout took place in late 1987, and Bugner suffered an eighth round TKO loss to the much younger and fresher world title contender for the Commonwealth championship in front of a huge crowd at White Hart Lane football stadium. Bugner promptly retired again following this defeat, only his 3rd stoppage defeat in 20 years.
Inspired by the 45-year-old George Foreman's recapture of the heavyweight title, Bugner made a final comeback in 1995, beating Vince Cervi to win the Australian heavyweight title, followed by a win over West Turner. Bugner then fought fellow Briton and world title contender Scott Welch for the WBO Intercontinental Heavyweight Title. Welch proved too young and fresh for the now 46-year-old Bugner, handing him a TKO defeat in the 6th round.
Bugner continued to fight on against far younger opponents. In 1996 he defeated the respectable Young Haumona for the Pacific and Australasian Heavyweight title, retained it against Waisiki Ligaloa in 1997, added the Australian title by defeating the tough Colin Wilson and defending both titles against Bob Mirovic in 1998.
In 1998 Bugner's long-term tenacity finally gave him a world crown, albeit a lightly regarded title - the WBF version of the heavyweight crown - by defeating former WBA World Heavyweight Champion James "Bonecrusher" Smith. At the age of 48 years and 110 days, it made him the oldest ever boxer to hold a world championship belt.
Bugner was to fight just once more, in 1999 at the age of 49 he defeated the durable fringe contender Levi Billups, after which he finally retired for good.
In an interview in 2004, Bugner said that the hardest puncher he had ever faced was Earnie Shavers and the biggest beating he took was from Ron Lyle.
Life outside boxing
Bugner has had some work in the film industry. In 1979 he featured in an Italian movie, Io sto con gli ippopotami with Bud Spencer and Terence Hill, he worked with Bud Spencer in his movies in the eighties.
He worked as the expert adviser on the Russell Crowe film, Cinderella Man, which was a film about the heavyweight boxer James J. Braddock. Bugner was dropped part way through the project, which prompted him to call Crowe, "a gutless worm and a f*****g girl".
Joe suffers from a serious back injury he sustained from training for fights in his middle years. He also has financial problems. It was these financial problems which prompted him to re-enter the ring at such an advanced age. A benefit was held for Bugner in 2008 by Kevin Lueshing.
In November 2009 Bugner replaced Camilla Dallerup on day 4 of the British TV show I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here!. He left the show on day 16 after losing a bushtucker trial called 'Jungle Jail' to fellow celebrity Stuart Manning.
He has three children, James, Joe Jnr and Amy from Melody a previous wife.
Bugner's autobiography, 'Joe Bugner - My Story', was published by New Holland Publishing (Australia) in November 2013.
Professional Boxing record
|69 Wins (41 knockouts, 26 decisions, 2 disqualifications), 13 Losses (4 knockouts, 9 decisions), 1 Draw|
|Win||69-13-1||Levi Billups||Disqualification||9 (10)||1999-06-13||Broadbeach, Australia|
|Win||68-13-1||James Smith||TKO||1 (12)||1998-07-04||Carrara, Australia||Won vacant WBF Heavyweight title|
|Win||67-13-1||Bob Mirovic||Decision (split)||12 (12)||1998-04-20||Carrara, Australia||Retained Australian Heavyweight title,
won vacant PABA Heavyweight title.
|Win||66-13-1||Colin Wilson||Decision (unan.)||12 (12)||1998-01-13||Broadbeach, Australia||Retained Australian Heavyweight title.|
|Win||65-13-1||Waisiki Ligaloa||TKO||7 (12)||1997-06-03||Southport, Australia||Retained PABA Heavyweight title; Bugner
later stripped of title for failing to make
|Win||64-13-1||Young Haumona||KO||5 (12)||1996-07-05||Carrara, Australia||Won vacant PABA Heavyweight title.|
|Loss||63-13-1||Scott Welch||TKO||6 (12)||1996-03-16||Berlin, Germany||Fought for inaugural WBO Inter-Continental
|Win||63-12-1||West Turner||KO||3 (10), 2:36||1996-02-02||Perth, Australia|
|Win||62-12-1||Vince Cervi||Decision (unan.)||12 (12)||1995-09-22||Carrara, Australia||Won Australian Heavyweight title.|
|Loss||61-12-1||Frank Bruno||TKO||8 (10)||1987-10-24||White Hart Lane, London|
|Win||61-11-1||Greg Page||Decision (unan.)||10 (10)||1987-07-24||Sydney, Australia|
|Win||60-11-1||David Bey||Decision (unan.)||10 (10)||1986-11-14||Sydney, Australia|
|Win||59-11-1||James Tillis||Decision||10 (10)||1986-09-15||Sydney, Australia|
|Loss||58-11-1||Steffen Tangstad||Decision (split)||10 (10)||1984-02-18||Copenhagen, Denmark|
|Win||58-10-1||Anders Eklund||Decision (maj.)||10 (10)||1984-01-13||Randers, Denmark|
|Loss||57-10-1||Marvis Frazier||Decision (unan.)||10 (10)||1983-06-04||Atlantic City, New Jersey|
|Win||57-9-1||Danny Sutton||TKO||9 (10)||1983-04-20||Muswell Hill, London|
|Win||56-9-1||John Dino Denis||TKO||3 (10)||1983-02-16||Wood Green, London|
|Win||55-9-1||Eddie Neilson||TKO||5 (?)||1982-12-09||Bloomsbury, London|
|Win||54-9-1||Winston Allen||KO||3 (?)||1982-10-28||Bloomsbury, London|
|Loss||53-9-1||Earnie Shavers||TKO||2 (10), 2:14||1982-05-08||Reunion Arena, Dallas||Bugner stopped on cuts.|
|Win||53-8-1||Gilberto Acuna||TKO||6 (?)||1980-08-23||Inglewood, California|
|Loss||52-8-1||Ron Lyle||Decision (split)||12 (12)||1977-03-20||Caesars Palace, Nevada|
|Won||52-7-1||Richard Dunn||KO||1 (15)||1976-10-12||Wembley, London||Retained EBU Heavyweight title, won
British and Commonwealth
|Loss||51-7-1||Muhammad Ali||Decision (unan.)||15 (15)||1975-06-30||Merdeka Stadium, Kuala Lumpur||Fought for WBA/WBC Heavyweight titles.|
|Win||51-6-1||Dante Cane||TKO||5 (15)||1975-02-28||Bologna, Italy||Retained EBU Heavyweight title.|
|Win||50-6-1||Santiago Alberto Lovell||TKO||2 (10), 2:15||1974-12-03||Royal Albert Hall, London|
|Win||49-6-1||Jimmy Ellis||Decision||10 (10)||1974-11-12||Wembley, London|
|Win||48-6-1||Jose Luis Garcia||KO||2 (10)||1974-10-01||Wembley, London|
|Win||47-6-1||Piermario Baruzzi||TKO||10 (15)||1974-05-29||Copenhagen, Denmark||Retained EBU Heavyweight title.|
|Win||46-6-1||Pat Duncan||Decision||10 (10)||1974-03-12||Wembley, London|
|Win||45-6-1||Mac Foster||Decision||10 (10)||1973-11-13||Wembley, London|
|Win||44-6-1||Giuseppe Ros||Decision||15 (15)||1973-10-02||Royal Albert Hall, London||Retained EBU Heavyweight title.|
|Loss||43-6-1||Joe Frazier||Decision||12 (12)||1973-07-02||Earls Court, London|
|Loss||43-5-1||Muhammad Ali||Decision (unan.)||12 (12)||1973-02-14||Las Vegas, Nevada|
|Win||43-4-1||Rudie Lubbers||Decision (unan.)||15 (15)||1973-01-16||Royal Albert Hall, London||Retained EBU Heavyweight title.|
|Win||42-4-1||Dante Cane||TKO||6 (10)||1972-11-28||Ice Rink, Nottingham|
|Win||41-4-1||Tony Doyle||TKO||8 (10)||1972-11-14||Wembley, London|
|Win||40-4-1||Jürgen Blin||KO||8 (15)||1972-10-10||Royal Albert Hall, London||Won EBU Heavyweight title.|
|Win||39-4-1||Paul Nielsen||TKO||6 (10)||1972-07-19||Croke Park, Dublin|
|Win||38-4-1||Doug Kirk||TKO||5 (10)||1972-06-06||Royal Albert Hall, London|
|Win||37-4-1||Marc Hans||TKO||3 (10)||1972-05-09||Wembley, London|
|Win||36-4-1||Leroy Caldwell||Disqualification||5 (10)||1972-04-25||Royal Albert Hall, London|
|Win||35-4-1||Brian O'Melia||TKO||2 (10), 1:39||1972-03-28||Wembley, London|
|Loss||34-4-1||Larry Middleton||Decision||10 (10)||1971-11-24||Ice Rink, Nottingham|
|Win||34-3-1||Mike Boswell||Decision (unan.)||10 (10)||1971-11-17||Houston, Texas|
|Loss||33-3-1||Jack Bodell||Decision||15 (15)||1971-09-27||Wembley, London||Lost British, Commonwealth and EBU
|Win||33-2-1||Jürgen Blin||Decision||15 (15)||1971-05-11||Wembley, London||Retained EBU Heavyweight title.|
|Win||32-2-1||Henry Cooper||Decision||15 (15)||1971-03-16||Wembley, London||Won British, Commonwealth and EBU
|Draw||31-2-1||Bill Drover||Decision||10 (10)||1971-02-10||Bethnal Green, London|
|Win||31-2||Carl Gizzi||Decision||10 (10)||1971-01-19||Royal Albert Hall, London|
|Win||30-2||Miguel Angel Paez||TKO||3 (10)||1970-12-08||Royal Albert Hall, London|
|Win||29-2||George Johnson||Decision||10 (10)||1970-11-03||Royal Albert Hall, London|
|Win||28-2||Hector Eduardo Corletti||Decision||10 (10)||1970-10-06||Royal Albert Hall, London|
|Win||27-2||Chuck Wepner||TKO||3 (10)||1970-09-08||Wembley, London|
|Win||26-2||Brian London||TKO||5 (10)||1970-05-12||Wembley, London|
|Win||25-2||Ray Patterson||Decision||8 (8)||1970-04-21||Royal Albert Hall, London|
|Win||24-2||Manuel Ramos||Decision||4 (10)||1970-03-24||Wembley, London|
|Win||23-2||Roberto Davila||TKO||4 (10)||1970-02-10||Picadilly, London|
|Win||22-2||Johnny Prescott||Decision||8 (8)||1970-01-20||Royal Albert Hall, London|
|Win||21-2||Charley Polite||TKO||3 (?)||1969-12-09||Royal Albert Hall, London|
|Win||20-2||Eddie Talhami||TKO||4 (?)||1969-11-11||Royal Albert Hall, London|
|Win||19-2||Phil Smith||TKO||2 (?)||1969-10-14||Royal Albert Hall, London|
|Loss||18-2||Dick Hall||Decision||8 (8)||1969-08-04||Hotel Piccadilly, Manchester|
|Win||18-1||Moses Harrell||Decision||8 (8)||1969-06-09||Belle Vue, Manchester|
|Win||17-1||Tony Ventura||Decision||8 (8)||1969-05-20||Royal Albert Hall, London|
|Win||16-1||Jack O'Halloran||Decision||8 (8)||1969-04-15||Royal Albert Hall, London|
|Win||15-1||Lion Ven||TKO||5 (?)||1969-03-25||Wembley, London|
|Win||14-1||Ulric Regis||Decision||8 (8)||1969-03-11||Shoreditch, London|
|Win||13-1||Terry Feeley||TKO||1 (?)||1969-02-25||Royal Albert Hall, London|
|Win||12-1||Rudolph Vaughan||TKO||2 (?)||1969-01-21||Kensington, London|
|Win||11-1||George Dulaire||TKO||4 (6)||1968-12-19||Bethnal Green, London|
|Win||10-1||Gene Innocent||TKO||3 (6)||1968-11-12||Wembley, London|
|Win||9-1||Paul Brown||TKO||3 (6)||1968-11-04||Connaught Rooms, London|
|Win||8-1||Vic Moore||TKO||1 (6), 2:15||1968-10-08||Royal Albert Hall, London|
|Win||7-1||Obe Hepburn||TKO||1 (6)||1968-08-18||Wembley, London|
|Win||6-1||Paul Brown||TKO||4 (6)||1968-05-28||Royal Albert Hall, London|
|Win||5-1||Billy Wynter||Decision||6 (6)||1968-05-21||Bethnal Green, London|
|Win||4-1||Mick Oliver||Retired||3 (6)||1968-05-06||Mayfair, London|
|Win||3-1||Bert Johnson||KO||3 (8), 0:40||1968-03-26||Bethnal Green, London|
|Win||2-1||Jim McIlvaney||TKO||2 (6)||1968-02-27||Bethnal Green, London|
|Win||1-1||Paul Cassidy||TKO||2 (6), 2:04||1968-01-30||Bethnal Green, London|
|Loss||0-1||Paul Brown||KO||3 (6)||1967-12-20||Mayfair, London|
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