Messy Marv

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Messy Marv
Birth nameMarvin Watson Jr.
Also known asCashlord Mess, The Boy Boy, Lil Paper'd Up Mess
Born (1976-03-19) March 19, 1976 (age 48)[1]
GenresHip hop, West Coast hip hop
Years active1995–present
LabelsScalen LLC / Probiotics LLC / Click Clack Records/ Cashout Records / Mozzy Records(Current)

Marvin Watson Jr. (born March 19, 1976),[1] better known by his stage name Messy Marv, is an American rapper who began his career in the Fillmore District of San Francisco, California.[2] Messy was also known as a collaborator in the rap group Kaalman's Krew.[citation needed]


Messy Marv released his first rap album, Messy Situationz, in 1996, when he was in 10th grade. Explosive Mode, his 1998 collaboration album with San Quinn, sold more than 50,000 copies.[3]

In 2005, Messy Marv started his own record label, Scalen LLC,[4] and released a barrage of albums in 2004-2006. During the Hyphy movement, his songs "Get on My Hype" and "So Hood" received frequent radio airplay.[3]

On November 2, 2007, Messy Marv was released from jail after serving twelve months on weapons charges.[5] Before, during and following his jail sentence, he released several albums which made the charts: Cake & Ice Cream 2, released in 2009 and peaked on the R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart at #39 and on the Rap Albums chart at #12, and Blow: Blocks and Boat Docks, a collaboration album with Berner released in 2010 which peaked at #48 on the R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart.[citation needed]

In the spring of 2012, Messy Marv released the mixtape, Da Frank Lucas Dat Neva Wore Da Mink Coat and the single, "You Gotta Pay Me". In 2013, he announced the release of his newest LP "Playboy Gangsta" under his new moniker "Lil Paper'd Up Mess", and released 3 singles as promotionals for the album: "We Killas", "Beautiful Kalifornia", & "A Girlfriend Ain't What I Need". Marv confirmed via Twitter a release date of July 23, 2013 for the LP. Early in 2014 with a guest feature on single "World Wide Mob" alongside Montana Montana Montana, Joe Blow, Ap.9, and Fed X[6]

On July 3, 2018, Messy Marv and San Quinn released a 12 song compilation titled Joc Nation (Well Connected).[7]

On December 3, 2018, Messy Marv aka Cashlord Mess signed to Mozzy Records.[8]

Personal life[edit]

As a teenager, Messy Marv dropped out of high school because of family problems. Rapper San Quinn and his mother took Messy Marv in when his living situation was unstable. As his music became more popular, Messy Marv struggled with substance abuse and addiction.[3][9]

In recent years, Messy Marv has been in and out of prison.[10][5] He was arrested again in 2019 for robbery, among other charges.[11] Messy Marv was released from custody in 2023


Messy Marv has feuded with a number of other rappers over the years.

Obie Trice[edit]

In 2005, Messy Marv was involved in a feud with G-Unit, which escalated when Obie Trice, a member of Shady Records, said in a radio interview on KMEL: "in San Francisco I have to cover my ass."

Following this, Guce and Messy Marv released a diss track, "50 Explanations", on the album Pill Music: The Rico Act, Vol. 1. 50 Cent and Sha Money XL then exchanged words over the phone with Guce's camp. Guce stated afterwards, "it's over with, and it never kicked off".[12]

San Quinn[edit]

On September 22, 2008, Messy Marv initiated a feud with his cousin San Quinn, by calling him a snitch. On December 11, Quinn told HipHopDX that he "loves" Messy Marv despite the diss tracks that they have both exchanged.[13] In a 2010 interview with WordofSouth, he stated the reason for the beef was because he was "talking too much", but that they are attempting to squash the feud.[14]

Spider Loc[edit]

On April 19, 2007, rapper Spider Loc released a diss track towards Marv, and Game called "Ova Killa" featuring Papa Smurf.[15]

Mistah F.A.B.[edit]

In 2009, Messy Marv mocked rapper Mistah F.A.B.'s chain getting stolen repeatedly.[16] This led to diss tracks being exchanged between the rappers, including F.A.B. sending one entitled "Okay" where he impersonates Watson Jr.[17]

Too $hort[edit]

In 2011, Messy Marv began speaking negatively about Too $hort. Messy Marv released a diss track called "Class of 84 (Fuck Too $hort)", and further criticized $hort during an interview with AllHipHop.[18][19][20] $hort made a diss track called "Where You At" in response.[21][22]

Philthy Rich[edit]

On September 25, 2013, Philthy Rich released a track entitled "Swear to God" featuring Kurt Diggler, where he dissed Messy Marv and other Bay Area rappers Kafani & DB Tha General.[23] On October 15 of the same year, Philthy Rich released a freestyle diss track about Marv over the beat of Drake's "Pound Cake / Paris Morton Music 2".[24] The next day, under his alias "Lil Paper'd Up Mess", Marv responded with the diss track "I'm Right Here",[25] originally with plans to follow up with a full album entitled Philthy Rich Is A Bitch.[26] The same day, October 16, Philthy released a diss record entitled Messy Marv Is A Fake Blood.[27] Years later, Philthy Rich discussed the feud in a 2022 interview.[28]



  1. ^ a b "California Birth Index, 1905–1995". Family Tree Legends Records Collection (Online Database).
  2. ^ "Cash Lord Mess 'The Second Round On Me Cash Lords Tour". Retrieved 26 September 2018.
  3. ^ a b c Caples, Garrett (21 November 2006). "Making Messy Marv". San Francisco Bay Guardian. Retrieved 8 May 2023.
  4. ^ "SCALEN LLC". OpenCorporates. Retrieved 9 May 2023.
  5. ^ a b Arnold, Eric K. (15 May 2007). "For S.F. rappers, another dream deferred". San Francisco Chronicle. Retrieved 8 May 2023.
  6. ^ "Montana Montana Montana ft. Messy Marv, Joe Blow, AP9, Fed-X - World Wide Mob". 4 August 2014. Retrieved 31 March 2020.
  7. ^ "Messy Marv & San Quinn Present: Jocnation (Well Connected) by JocNation, San Quinn & Messy Marv". 3 July 2018. Retrieved 7 July 2018.
  8. ^ Diddy, Shay (4 December 2018). "Mozzy Signs Messy Marv To Mozzy Records!". KMEL. Retrieved 9 May 2023.
  9. ^ "Messy Marv Talks About Smoking Coke, Says He Gave His Chain Back to Mozzy". VladTV. 16 April 2019. Retrieved 9 May 2023.
  10. ^ Caples, Garrett (16 January 2008). "Messy Marv at large". San Francisco Bay Guardian. Retrieved 8 May 2023.
  11. ^ "Arrest Information for Marvin Watson Jr". 6 December 2019. Retrieved 8 May 2023.
  12. ^ "Guce Biography". Archived from the original on 23 September 2015. Retrieved 14 May 2023.
  13. ^ HipHopDX (12 December 2008). "San Quinn: Fillmore's Finest". HipHopDX. Archived from the original on 13 March 2013. Retrieved 20 March 2015.
  14. ^ [1][dead link]
  15. ^ HipHopDX (20 April 2007). "Spider Loc f. Papa Smurf". HipHopDX. Archived from the original on 4 November 2012. Retrieved 20 March 2015.
  16. ^ "Nation of Thizzlam: Messy Marv and the Human Condition". Archived from the original on 13 August 2012. Retrieved 29 November 2012.
  17. ^ "Mistah F.A.B. (As Messy Marv) Ft. Too Short & JT The Bigga Figga – Okay (Messy Marv Diss)". The Sermon's Domain. Archived from the original on 3 March 2016. Retrieved 20 March 2015.
  18. ^ "Messy Marv breaks down Too $hort beef". 19 August 2011. Retrieved 9 May 2023.
  19. ^ Chisholm, N. Jamiyla (21 August 2011). "Too $hort Addresses Messy Marv Beef". BET. Retrieved 9 May 2023.
  20. ^ timsanchez818 (16 February 2012). "Exclusive: Messy Marv: Beyond The Bay Area Beef and Back In The Booth". AllHipHop. Retrieved 9 May 2023.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  21. ^ Too $hort (18 August 2011). Where You At (Messy Marv Diss) (video). Retrieved 9 May 2023.
  22. ^ Too Short Breaks Down His Beef With Messy Marv (video). DJ Vlad. 14 March 2012. Retrieved 9 May 2023.
  23. ^ Philthy Rich (10 February 2014). Philthy Rich - Swear To God ft. Kurt Diggler (video). Event occurs at 0:0:41. Retrieved 9 May 2023.
  24. ^ "Philthy Rich – "Pound Cake" (Messy Marv diss)". Hip Hop Vibe. 15 October 2013. Retrieved 20 March 2015.
  25. ^ Messy Marv (16 October 2013). I'm Right Here (video). Retrieved 14 May 2023.
  26. ^ "Exclusive: Lil Paperd Up Mess – Philthy Rich Is A Bitch (Mixtape Cover)". Archived from the original on 6 October 2013. Retrieved 20 March 2015.
  27. ^ Mehka (23 October 2013). "Exclusive: Messy Marv (@LilPaperdUpMess) Talks Philthy Rich, Too Short And More (Audio)". Retrieved 14 May 2023.
  28. ^ Philthy Rich (5 February 2022). Philthy Rich on the Messy Marv beef "The sh*t with Mess could of got squashed if it was done right" (video). Retrieved 14 May 2023.

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