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List of DYK Hooks by Date
Date # of Hooks # Verified
August 15 1 1
August 22 2
August 31 1 1
September 6 1
September 8 1
September 9 1
September 10 3
September 13 2
October 2 1
October 5 1
October 7 2
October 8 1
October 10 1
October 14 1
October 16 1
October 17 1
October 18 1 1
October 19 2
October 20 3 1
October 21 2 1
October 23 4 3
October 24 3
October 25 2
October 26 1
October 27 1 1
October 28 2 1
October 29 4 1
October 30 6 2
October 31 1
November 1 4 1
November 2 4
November 3 3 1
November 4 3
November 5 1
November 6 5 2
November 7 3 1
November 8 4 2
November 9 2 2
November 10 7 4
November 11 1 1
November 12 2
November 13 7 2
November 14 3
November 15 2
November 16 13 8
November 17 18 5
November 18 15 5
November 19 12 7
November 20 7 1
November 21 19 14
November 22 10 7
November 23 10 5
November 24 5 4
November 25 7 3
November 26 11 5
November 27 13 5
November 28 12 5
November 29 2 1
November 30
December 1
December 2
Total 258 104
Last updated 23:39, December 2, 2016 (UTC)
Current time is 23:44, 2 December 2016 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[edit]

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
Official DYK criteria: DYK rules and supplementary guidelines
Unofficial guide: Learning DYK

To nominate an article[edit]

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.

For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.

I.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.


II.
Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.
III.
Post at Template talk:Did you know.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began, not the date on which you make the nomination.

  • At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Consider adding {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}} to the article's talk page (without a section heading—​​the template adds a section heading automatically).

How to review a nomination[edit]

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions[edit]

Backlogged?[edit]

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?[edit]

If you can't find the hook you submitted to this page, in most cases it means your article has been approved and is in the queue for display on the main page. You can check whether your hook has been moved to the queue by reviewing the queue listings.

If your hook is not in the queue or already on the main page, it has probably been deleted. Deletion occurs if the hook is more than about eight days old and has unresolved issues for which any discussion has gone stale. If you think your hook has been unfairly deleted, you can query its deletion on the discussion page, but as a general rule deleted hooks will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Search archived DYK nomination discussions[edit]

Instructions for other editors[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there is usually a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Leave a comment explaining that the hook was removed from the queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
    • If the day title for the section that contained the hook has been removed from this page, restore that section.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.
  • Add a link to the nomination subpage at Wikipedia:Did you know/Removed

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations[edit]

Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on August 15[edit]

Roosevelt station (Sound Transit)

5x expanded by SounderBruce (talk). Self-nominated at 00:04, 19 August 2016 (UTC).

  • The article says nothing about "demands", just some people wanted A, others wanted Y, and X was chosen after it turned out the cost difference wasn't as much as thought. I've struggled to find an actually interesting hook, but the best thing I could find was the the sinkhole, and even that's pretty ho-hum. Maybe we could say the tunnels were built using a "boring machine" -- get it? EEng 21:28, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Yes, transit is quite boring indeed. Perhaps using Standard Radio (and its preserved facade) as a hook would be better? It's mentioned in the slides and video and cited as such. SounderBruce 05:13, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg No issues found with article, ready for human review.--DYKReviewBot (report bugs) 18:46, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
    • This article has been expanded from 966 chars to 8703 chars since 19:05, 09 March 2016 (UTC), a 9.01-fold expansion
    • This article meets the DYK criteria at 8703 characters
    • All paragraphs in this article have at least one citation
    • This article has no outstanding maintenance tags
    • A copyright violation is unlikely according to automated metrics (7.4% confidence; confirm)
      • Note to reviewers: There is low confidence in this automated metric, please manually verify that there is no copyright infringement or close paraphrasing. Note that this number may be inflated due to cited quotes and titles which do not constitute a copyright violation.
  • No overall issues detected
    • The hook ALT0 is an appropriate length at 128 characters
    • The hook ALT1 is an appropriate length at 128 characters
    • The hook ALT2 is an appropriate length at 159 characters
    • SounderBruce has more than 5 DYK credits. A QPQ review of Template:Did you know nominations/Joaquín Díaz Mena was performed for this nomination.

Automatically reviewed by DYKReviewBot. This is not a substitute for a human review. Please report any issues with the bot. --DYKReviewBot (report bugs) 18:46, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

  • ALT1 at least isn't dead on arrival. EEng 05:30, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg 5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, well referenced, neutrally written, no close paraphrasing seen. ALT1 is definitely an improvement; thanks EEng! ALT1 hook ref verified and cited inline. I tweaked the piped link and reduced the overlinking. QPQ done. ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 22:27, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
FTR ALT1 wasn't me, it was SounderBruce. EEng 00:15, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg (repeating tick for the bot)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I pulled this from q4 as I couldn't confirm the hook. The source says the builders offered to incorporate the facade but doesn't say whether or not the offer was accepted. Gatoclass (talk) 13:48, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
    • @Gatoclass: Reference 38 (at the end of the paragraph, and used to cite the entire paragraph) includes a packet with renderings of the station with the facade incorporated into the south entry (pg. 29). SounderBruce 20:43, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
How about we change the hook to "plans to incorporate"? Gatoclass (talk) 07:53, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Another case in which trouble probably would have been avoided had the source been quoted right next to the hook. EEng 07:56, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
I'm alright with changing the hook. And I've added the source to the hook's sentence to make it better. SounderBruce 05:14, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
ALT2: ...that the future Roosevelt station in Seattle plans to incorporate a preserved Streamline Moderne facade from a music shop that was demolished for its construction?
@Gatoclass: Notice that this has been sitting stale for a long time. Are there anymore issues to address? SounderBruce 09:13, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
I'm surprised this one is still here, no there were no more issues IIRC, but since nobody else has done so in the meantime I will try to find time to complete the review on this tomorrow. Feel free to ping me again if I haven't come back to it in a day or two. Gatoclass (talk) 12:09, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
@Gatoclass: Seems to have fallen off the main TTDYK page. Hope you don't forget about this one! SounderBruce 07:53, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
I couldn't track down what happened to this one - it must have been inadvertently removed at some time, but I have restored it so it should get promoted soon. Cheers, Gatoclass (talk) 13:41, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
It was unfortunately removed at the time of its original promotion because of the noinclude problems with the review bot; I've just now deleted those tags so it doesn't recur when this is finally promoted. Very sorry for the delay that caused, SounderBruce. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:00, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 22[edit]

Debatable (TV show)

  • ... that Debatable and Make Me an Egghead were both commissioned for 20 half-hour episodes and five 45-minute episodes, and aired in adjacent time slots?

Created by Launchballer (talk), Wonderwizard (talk), and Nigej (talk). Nominated by Launchballer (talk) at 09:05, 29 August 2016 (UTC).

  • ALT0 is absolutely fascinating! EEng 18:54, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Agreed, this hook is really dull, if accepted this will just get rejected at WT:DYK. Joseph2302 10:35, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Note: I've struck the hook as clearly failing the interesting requirement at DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:14, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that the man replaced by Make Me An Egghead's victors was later arrested on suspicion of murder? I'm not feeling 100%, I'll come back later to think of one for Debatable.--Launchballer 17:16, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Pretty sure ALT1 is a BLP violation/undue, as CJ de Mooi's arrest shouldn't be the main thing in the hook about the show. Also, he's been arrested but not found guilty. Joseph2302 18:02, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
I was about to say the same thing -- too bad, since it would have made a juicy hook. Is there maybe some hook like, "The all-time champion lost his crown when he couldn't remember the name of the Prince of Wales?" -- something like that? EEng 18:34, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Both hooks have been struck due to significant issues. A new hook will be needed soon if this nomination is to remain open. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:00, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that the panels involved in the making of Debatable included panelists as diverse as a former MP and a rapper?
ALT3: ... that, although two £1,000,000 winners made it, an attempt by a third to become an Egghead saw him fall at the first hurdle?--Launchballer 13:11, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
Does the source mention the diversity? Can't rappers be MPs? EEng 14:40, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
The source confirms that variously there was a rapper and an MP, yes.--Launchballer 18:41, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
I hate to be a stickler, but in that case simply say that panelists included a rapper and a former MP -- I don't think WP should be adding the diversity idea (which really is slightly objectionable IMHO -- after all, Al Franken went from Saturday Night Live comedian to US senator, and a good one at that). I also don't see the point of saying "the panels involved included panelists" i.e.
ALT4 ... that Debatable panelists have included a former MP and a rapper?
EEng 20:16, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
With all due respect to Sen. Franken and deference to your opinion of his work, I think it's fair to say that becoming a federal senator involved a huge amount of code switching and, however excellent an MP a rapper may turn out to be, Launchballer's point was still well taken. That said, your entry is punchier and people can feel the dichotomy (or lack thereof) in their own heads. — LlywelynII 03:08, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg ALT4 G2G for Debatable. 5× expanded 7 days prior to nomination; long enough (~2.2k elig. chars.); earwig finds massive copyvio but it seems to be other sites that cribbed Wikipedia and not the other way round; the article is very badly written—inter alia, for no apparent reason, it repeats the words "TV presenter" six times in a sentence instead of grouping them as "TV presenters"—but I don't think that's dispositive for DYK purposes, just something that should be cleaned up down the road and avoided by the article's writers in the future; the article is in egregious violation of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC but I can fix that easily enough and, again, it's just something to be avoided in the future by the article's writers; the article is currently an utter WP:ORPHAN and should have been linked from somewhere else by its writers (do we have a list of quiz shows page or something? [edit: guess not... though there is this...]) but that's not dispositive for DYK purposes either; QPQ done; hook needed italics for its TV series' title but easy enough to add. — LlywelynII 12:01, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
(Note: Make Me an Egghead material before and after ALT6 has been deleted as irrelevant now that this page is solely about Debatable (TV show); it can be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Make Me an Egghead.)
Post-separation section
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Launchballer, I have just separated Make Me an Egghead from the joint Debatable/Make Me an Egghead nomination, because at this point these two need to be dealt with as individual nominations; this one now only deals with Debatable (TV show). Although this had been ticked by LlywelynII for ALT4 (I have struck ALT2 since it wasn't approved), hook ALT6 has subsequently been proposed.
The reason I have superseded the tick is that the article is badly out of date, and I'm more troubled by the lack of secondary sources than Llewelyn II; the sole secondary source is used to support the time when the program aired. The program went off the air in late September, yet that basic a fact isn't in the article, nor whether the show will ever return (which may not be known, but there isn't even any rating information or analysis). Right now, the article needs updating and secondary sourcing that is not based on either BBC sites or your own viewing of the show. Please take care of this soon, since the nomination is over three months old. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:34, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Make Me an Egghead

  • ... that Debatable and Make Me an Egghead were both commissioned for 20 half-hour episodes and five 45-minute episodes, and aired in adjacent time slots?

Created by Launchballer (talk), Wonderwizard (talk), and Nigej (talk). Nominated by Launchballer (talk) at 09:05, 29 August 2016 (UTC).

  • ALT0 is absolutely fascinating! EEng 18:54, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Agreed, this hook is really dull, if accepted this will just get rejected at WT:DYK. Joseph2302 10:35, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Note: I've struck the hook as clearly failing the interesting requirement at DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:14, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that the man replaced by Make Me An Egghead's victors was later arrested on suspicion of murder? I'm not feeling 100%, I'll come back later to think of one for Debatable.--Launchballer 17:16, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Pretty sure ALT1 is a BLP violation/undue, as CJ de Mooi's arrest shouldn't be the main thing in the hook about the show. Also, he's been arrested but not found guilty. Joseph2302 18:02, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
I was about to say the same thing -- too bad, since it would have made a juicy hook. Is there maybe some hook like, "The all-time champion lost his crown when he couldn't remember the name of the Prince of Wales?" -- something like that? EEng 18:34, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Both hooks have been struck due to significant issues. A new hook will be needed soon if this nomination is to remain open. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:00, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that the panels involved in the making of Debatable included panelists as diverse as a former MP and a rapper?
ALT3: ... that, although two £1,000,000 winners made it, an attempt by a third to become an Egghead saw him fall at the first hurdle?--Launchballer 13:11, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
Does the source mention the diversity? Can't rappers be MPs? EEng 14:40, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
The source confirms that variously there was a rapper and an MP, yes.--Launchballer 18:41, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
I hate to be a stickler, but in that case simply say that panelists included a rapper and a former MP -- I don't think WP should be adding the diversity idea (which really is slightly objectionable IMHO -- after all, Al Franken went from Saturday Night Live comedian to US senator, and a good one at that). I also don't see the point of saying "the panels involved included panelists" i.e.
ALT4 ... that Debatable panelists have included a former MP and a rapper?
EEng 20:16, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
With all due respect to Sen. Franken and deference to your opinion of his work, I think it's fair to say that becoming a federal senator involved a huge amount of code switching and, however excellent an MP a rapper may turn out to be, Launchballer's point was still well taken. That said, your entry is punchier and people can feel the dichotomy (or lack thereof) in their own heads. — LlywelynII 03:08, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg ALT4 G2G for Debatable. 5× expanded 7 days prior to nomination; long enough (~2.2k elig. chars.); earwig finds massive copyvio but it seems to be other sites that cribbed Wikipedia and not the other way round; the article is very badly written—inter alia, for no apparent reason, it repeats the words "TV presenter" six times in a sentence instead of grouping them as "TV presenters"—but I don't think that's dispositive for DYK purposes, just something that should be cleaned up down the road and avoided by the article's writers in the future; the article is in egregious violation of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC but I can fix that easily enough and, again, it's just something to be avoided in the future by the article's writers; the article is currently an utter WP:ORPHAN and should have been linked from somewhere else by its writers (do we have a list of quiz shows page or something? [edit: guess not... though there is this...]) but that's not dispositive for DYK purposes either; QPQ done; hook needed italics for its TV series' title but easy enough to add. — LlywelynII 12:01, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
ALT5: ... that Steve Cooke and Beth Webster are the newest Eggheads? But what was wrong with ALT3?--Launchballer 12:45, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
There were some grammatical mistakes and the fact it made no sense (although that might always draw in more readers), but really I was just saying I didn't review it at all and it needs its own hook, although ALT4 is good to go for Debatable. [Fixed the formatting of ALT5 and grammar on ALT3.] I just didn't want an admin to close both nominations because we were done with the first one. — LlywelynII 02:56, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT6: ... that Debatable has featured a variety of panelists, including a rapper, a cricketer, and a former Member of Parliament? This one could be fun, with minor links to the various people. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 00:23, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT7: ... that both Beth Webster and Julia Hobbs, the women finalists in Make Me an Egghead, have been ranked as "Sages" by the British Quiz Association? Finding possible hooks was hard for this article, but I've added and cited some additional information about the various winners that might be useful. I like this one because it mentions two of the finalists. Not saying which of them won makes it a bit of a teaser hook. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 01:40, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I will note that several of the final paragraphs of the Make Me an Egghead article need to be cited. Other than that, it is New enough, Long enough, Neutral, No copyvios, hook length is okay, QPQ is done. Hooks are still under discussion. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 01:40, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Post-separation section
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Launchballer, I have just separated Make Me an Egghead from the joint Debatable/Make Me an Egghead nomination, because at this point these two need to be dealt with as individual nominations. Hooks ALT5 and ALT7 are, as Mary Mark Ockerbloom notes, still under discussion; I have struck all earlier Egghead hooks, plus all of the Debatable hooks. Right now, the significant problem with Make Me an Egghead is that so much of it is unreferenced. This needs to be taken care of, and soon, since the nomination is over three months old. Thank you for your prompt attention. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:36, 2 December 2016 (UTC)






Articles created/expanded on August 31[edit]

State aid

  • ... that the Republic of Ireland's tax benefits system was judged by the EU to be state aid, and declared Apple would have to pay €13 million in tax as a result?

5x expanded by 77.95.145.6 (talk) and The C of E (talk). Nominated by The C of E (talk) at 17:44, 2 September 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Some issues found.
    • This article has been expanded from 313 chars to 2409 chars since 19:20, 02 July 2016 (UTC), a 7.70-fold expansion
    • This article meets the DYK criteria at 2409 characters
    • Paragraphs [2] (The ... limits.) in this article lack a citation.
    • This article has no outstanding maintenance tags
    • ? A copyright violation is suspected by an automated tool, with 37.1% confidence. (confirm)
      • Note to reviewers: There is low confidence in this automated metric, please manually verify that there is no copyright infringement or close paraphrasing. Note that this number may be inflated due to cited quotes and titles which do not constitute a copyright violation.
  • No overall issues detected

Automatically reviewed by DYKReviewBot. This is not a substitute for a human review. Please report any issues with the bot. --DYKReviewBot (report bugs) 19:23, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

  • My review:
  • Article (New):Symbol confirmed.svg
  • Article (Long enough):Symbol confirmed.svg
  • Article (Within policy): Symbol question.svg I think the article is a little stubby. There's a long quotation in one section, and a few seemingly random examples in another section. I would like to see sections like history etc. Can I have a statement from the nominator about this? Symbol confirmed.svg
  • Hook (Format):Symbol confirmed.svg
  • Hook (Content):Symbol confirmed.svgI prefer Alt 1.
  • QPQ:Symbol confirmed.svg
  • Images:Symbol confirmed.svg N/A

Overall, Symbol question.svg holding off on passing until nominator makes statement about article's lack of scope.--Coin945 (talk) 16:50, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

  • Very nice expansion. I'm happy to promote this. :D Symbol confirmed.svg--Coin945 (talk) 09:37, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have pulled this from q3 as it has too many problems. I had to fix three errors just in the hook and one in the article, but reading the rest of the article, it looks like there are further mistatements and grammatical errors. I suggest the nominator find somebody conversant in legal matters to look this nomination over before submitting it again. Gatoclass (talk) 13:25, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
  • BTW, I got as far as making several corrections to the hook, so I might as well add the amended hook here:
  • ALT2: ... that the EU Commission ruled the Republic of Ireland's tax benefits to Apple to be an illegal form of state aid, and declared that the company would have to pay €13 billion in back tax as a result? Gatoclass (talk) 13:33, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
    • Gato, I happen to have studied law and I am not quite sure what your concern is. To me, it reads as close to the sources without being too technical. I'll ask @Coin945: to have another look over and see if the proposed amended hook is acceptable. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 21:32, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
      • Yes, in retrospect, Gatoclass' amendment to the hook makes much more sense. I have not studied law so I assumed in good faith that it was phrased correctly. But the amended version makes a clear link between the Rep. of Ireland --> Apple, and why Apple had to pay all that money ("illegal" state aid), and that it is the EU NOT Ireland that make the decision. This does however make me cast doubts on the article itself. The 9 sources used appear to be third-party and reliable. it could have a copyedit to tighten up all the paragraphs and make everything a little clearer - for instance after reading the introduction I still have no idea what State Aid actually is. Although the article explains this in the actual body. This is all I can really say without a law background. I recommend asking Wikipedia:WikiProject Law to review it.--Coin945 (talk) 04:05, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
        • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg This seems to have stalled a little here. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:15, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
          • Symbol question.svg The C of E, did you take Coin945's recommendation to check with the WikiProject? While I see that the lead was modified by you on 19 September after Coin945's post above, you didn't note your fix here, which should have been done, though I don't see any signs of the suggested copyedit. I'm not sure whether Gatoclass would like to chime in here at this point or not. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:57, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
            • @BlueMoonset: I have been busy in the past month. I have just done both copyedit and notification now. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:04, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
              • @The C of E: I gave the article a copyedit and reduced some awkward language. Unfortunately, I also marked a couple places where the sources you used don't really seem to support the text around where you cited them, and that will probably need to be fixed. There is also one sentence that was confusing enough that I can't fix it as I'm not sure what it's trying to tell me, and I marked that with an in-line clarification tag. Although I studied treaty law in law school and we looked at a lot of EU treaties as examples, I am an American and far from an expert in EU law, especially EU commercial law. It would probably be helpful for someone more versed in EU commercial law to look over the article. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 17:37, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
I did ask at WP:LAW for an EU law specialist. I'll ask again if we feel it is needed. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 21:56, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg This nomination has been hanging around for too long. ALT2 is acceptable and cited. The rest of the review as per Coin945. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:52, 30 November 2016 (UTC)







Articles created/expanded on September 6[edit]

Tank steering systems

Porsche's Elefant
Porsche's Elefant

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 19:03, 6 September 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg No issues found with article, ready for human review.
    • This article is new and was created on 16:36, 06 September 2016 (UTC)
    • This article meets the DYK criteria at 14731 characters
    • All paragraphs in this article have at least one citation
    • This article has no outstanding maintenance tags
    • A copyright violation is unlikely according to automated metrics (3.8% confidence; confirm)
      • Note to reviewers: There is low confidence in this automated metric, please manually verify that there is no copyright infringement or close paraphrasing. Note that this number may be inflated due to cited quotes and titles which do not constitute a copyright violation.
  • No overall issues detected

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  • Symbol possible vote.svgCitation for hook needs to be at the end of the sentence not the end of the paragraph. Also I thought the first attempt at an electric transmission was the Saint-Chamond (tank).©Geni (talk) 23:50, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
Cite copied. There were three platforms using the original Holt transmissions, adding... Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:32, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
Unfortunately there also issues with the image copyright. Probably going to have to remove it.©Geni (talk) 22:29, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
I have changed the image and the hook to match. Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:17, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg Issues have been addressed.©Geni (talk) 18:27, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Geni, a human DYK review needs to explicitly cover all of the DYK criteria: you've only mentioned hook citation and image. Please mention all the criteria in your review, from newness and length through copyvio/close paraphrasing checks and neutrality. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:12, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg Fine then. Hook citation and hook image are fine. New enough. More than long enough and the text has no copyright issues as far as I can tell. Neutral as far as these things go. My experience is that DYK isn't interested in image copyright but for the record File:Stuart m5a1 cfb borden.jpg is a likely copyvio since it fails to credit the author of the image it was cropped from. File:دبابة الحلفاء أثناء الحرب الباردة.jpg might be PD US gov but the copyright claim connected with it is false. Apart from anything else the metadata says it was taken in 1985 not 2005. File:Char St Chamond tank.jpg Questionable. Seems more likely that a publicity pic of a french tank was taken by the French government not the british (who had little involvement with the French tank program). File:VK4501 Tiger(P).jpg no evidence that this is public domain as claimed.©Geni (talk) 20:07, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg @Maury Markowitz: I came to promote this, but the name "Elefant" needs a source as it is not mentioned in the Ogorkiewicz book. I also noted that the image submitted with this nomination cannot be used with the hook as it does not appear in the article. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:28, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
Addressed. All this because someone else mis-labeled a photo. :rolleyes: Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:01, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
Symbol voting keep.svg Thank you. Replacing Geni's tick. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:25, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

That's it, I give up. This article was passed three separate times and failed four. Clearly the rules have become much more important than the content. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:36, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that Porsche's Elefant tank destroyer (pictured) used an electrical tank steering system similar to a diesel-electric train?

Why someone couldn't do that during the post is beyond me. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:48, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

  • Symbol voting keep.svg This should be good to go with ALT1 as per Geni. The image is appropriately licensed and now included in the article Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:13, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I was going to promote ALT1, but I notice that the article doesn't actually say the Elefant's steering system was "similar to a diesel-electric train", it only says that such transmissions were suitable for the largest tanks, and the Elefant, like other German tanks, used petrol motors, not diesels. Gatoclass (talk) 13:59, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

@Gatoclass: The cite on the sentence about the Elephant in the body states "twin gasoline generating units with direct electric drive". I added that cite specifically to stop the possibility of this potential complaint. I failed. As it appears I am no longer capable of writing a hook that could possibly meet the now impossible rules of DYK, perhaps you could be so kind as to suggest one so that we might be able to clear this nom, which has now been here for three months. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:08, 2 December 2016 (UTC)






Articles created/expanded on September 8[edit]

Khukri Rum

Coronation Khukri XXX Rum
Coronation Khukri XXX Rum
  • ... that Khukri Rum (pictured) is a Nepalese dark rum that comes in Kukri (Gurkha dagger) shaped bottle, was launched in 1974 to mark the coronation of the 12th King of Nepal?
  • ALT1 ... that Khukri Rum (pictured) comes in a Kukri (Nepalese Gurkha dagger) shaped bottle?

Created by AKS.9955 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:13, 13 September 2016 (UTC).

  • Comment only Shorter ALT1 added. Edwardx (talk) 20:42, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment. Maintaining ALT0 since it is in the specified length and provides key information. Thanks for the comment. Full review required. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 17:44, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
  • AKS.9955, you should not be striking ALTs suggested by others, unless they are factually incorrect. Once you nominate something for DYK, any changes to your hook, or new hook suggestions, are up to others. ALT1 unstruck. Edwardx (talk) 22:27, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Alt0 is a run on sentence that looks non grammatical to me so I recommend against using it. Though it could easily be reworded to be clearly English. The article is new enough and sufficiently long. But there is a lack of citation on the first paragraph under "Varieties". There is a maintenance tag. So I will look at the sources to see if they are unsuitable. .. .. .. Some sources would not be counted as reliable or independent, but at least 2 are OK, so I will detag the article. However the article states exported to Australia, but sources do not support that, but another did say "Austria". The image looks likely to have been supplied by the uploader and not stolen from somewhere else, and it has a suitable license. The copyvio detector finds nothing. Hook ALT1 is misleading, as only a limited edition in 1974, Coronation Khukri XXX Rum, came in the dagger like bottle. ALT0 did not make this clear, but did link to a subsection (which is not permitted in DYK either). So overall we need one paragraph cited, and a hook rewrite. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:28, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
  • @Graeme Bartlett: would this make a good Halloween hook?
  • ALT2: ... that a limited edition of Khukri Rum (pictured) comes in a dagger-shaped bottle?
  • Or for an everyday hook:
  • ALT3: ... that a limited edition of Khukri Rum in a dagger-shaped bottle (pictured) was launched in 1974 to mark the coronation of the 12th King of Nepal?
  • The inline cites are in place and verified for these hooks. Yoninah (talk) 19:49, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Either hook ALT2 or ALT3 check out OK, in the article, and referenced. However the referencing problems I mentioned above are unfixed. Also note Birendra Bir Bikram Shah was crowned in 1975, even though the rum bottle was introduced in 1974. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:12, 25 October 2016 (UTC)



Articles created/expanded on September 9[edit]

Donald J. Trump Foundation

  • Reviewed: Violetta Thurstan
  • Comment: Promote after November 8, 2016 (Presidential election in the USA)

Created by Eloquence (talk). Nominated by MelanieN (talk) at 19:40, 15 September 2016 (UTC).

  • Comment - I think we should delay putting this on the front page of Wikipedia until after the November 8 election. Given that yesterday Newsweek published an investigative piece into the organization, not addressing it in this article is lacking. Right now, the hook and the article look like a violation of WP:DYKNOT A means of advertising, or of promoting commercial or political causes. While it is fine to cover topics of commercial or political interest, DYK must not provide inappropriate advantage for such causes (e.g. during election campaigns or product launches). — Maile (talk) 20:01, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
  • I've added an ALT 1, which I prefer. Neutralitytalk 20:46, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
  • I also like ALT1 better. I would be OK with placing the nomination on hold until a time when its front-page placement would be regarded as neutral. MelanieN (talk) 21:00, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
  • I like ALT1 also. And who knows...by the time this can be promoted, there might be other information surface that give way to even more hooks. Or not... what's happening now could be just more yadda-yadda-yadda that stagnates forever.— Maile (talk) 21:28, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
  • The problem with ALT0 is we can't read Trump's mind (assuming there's anything there to read anyway). EEng 06:19, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
    • Good point. I have added a second reference [1] which says explicitly "In 1987, the mogul started the Donald J. Trump Foundation to donate his royalties." If you're still dubious we could add "reportedly". But it may be moot since most of us prefer ALT1 anyhow. MelanieN (talk) 14:10, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed; hook discussion concluded over a month ago. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:38, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
[FBDB] I just think it's fair to remind everyone that (a) this can't appear until after the election and (b) anyone saying anything bad about President-for-Life Trump will be jailed or deported. EEng 07:16, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg The article is new enough, large enough and cited. Really I cannot say this is neutral, some of what is put under headings suggests no-neutrality, but I would prefer a DT supporter to give an opinion on this. MelanieN's QPQ review was very light on, but it's already promoted. Creator is credited, but perhaps PeteWL should receive credit too. The copyvio tool cannot find any real problems (only copying is quotes and names). ALT1 is short enough, in the article, cited and roughly confirmed by reference which says TWP "biggest donors to his foundation in recent years have been other people, most notably ..." —— This [2] confirms it was the biggest, so ALT1 appears correct. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:50, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Returned from prep per discussion at WT:DYK. Yoninah (talk) 00:48, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment as nominator: I think the issues pointed out at WT:DYK have merit, and I don't have time or inclination to fix them, so I would like to withdraw this nomination. MelanieN (talk) 01:32, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 10[edit]

Acts of Shmona and of Gurya

  • Comment: Created on September 10th, 18 days ago

Created/expanded by JudeccaXIII (talk). Self-nominated at 20:39, 28 September 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svgThis is the second nomination by JudeccaXIII, so QPQ is not needed. I also not that this was nominated late, 18 days, when the limit should be 10. Next time I think we should enforce the time limit, but mercy could be applied on that rule. The article is big and referenced enough. I suspect neutrality, though I don't know if important points of view are omitted. Although the hook is in the article and cited, I don't really believe it. Surely copies have been made of that manuscript. When I look at Testamentum Domini it says it was in Syriac, but the article here says Greek. But What is the original language of Acts of Shmona and of Gurya, and what is its title in that language (if any)? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:52, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
    Graeme Bartlett Thanks for pointing out "TD written in Greek", it doesn't correlate with the source. When I was typing up the article, there was only one source that stated a single manuscript was translated. I'll look further for more information about more manuscripts, but I doubt it since few sources actually clarify the translation and origins of publication. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 02:51, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
    Graeme Bartlett I'll be withdrawing this nomination. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 03:25, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
    JudeccaXIII Well I was giving you a chance to have some hook that looked to be true. You are welcome to suggest another sentence that could be use. That is why I put the ? rather than the ×. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:33, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
    Graeme Bartlett ALT1DYK that the Acts of Shmona and of Gurya setting takes place at Edessa during Diocletian's persecutions towards Christians and in Emperor Licinius's reign.

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Symbol delete vote.svg @Graeme Bartlett and JudeccaXIII: The normal age limit for DYK noms is seven days, not 10, and this was nominated after more than twice and nearly three times that many, and thus is ineligible as too old. Pppery 18:52, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Pppery 7 or 10 days, Graeme Bartlett has made an exception. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 00:39, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
And I'm challenging this exception, which is for more than twice the age maximum. Pppery 00:47, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
A third opinion then. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 00:50, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
The reason I allowed time extension, is that there have been no successful DYKs for the submitter. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:46, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
Here's a third opinion from an uninvolved editor: an extra 8 days is not a big deal, and being so legalistic as to deny it just for that reason is contrary to the spirit of Wikipedia. Jonathunder (talk) 14:53, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
@Jonathunder: It's not eight days, it's eleven, and this is way too old. DYK is supposed to be for new articles Pppery 20:01, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
There's no need to shout, P, and you've made your point. But ignore all rules is policy, and we also want to encourage new contributors to make new articles. DYK can be a maze for the uninitiated. Jonathunder (talk) 20:07, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
Jonathunder Do you think more opinions are required? — JudeccaXIII (talk) 02:42, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
This really isn't a big deal. An RfC would be silly. Jonathunder (talk) 14:38, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Graeme Bartlett You suggested a new DYK from the article so I offered a new DYK, but you hadn't given your option on it yet. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 21:54, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg ALT1 is short enough, I reformated the hook to add link, and take out a non-needed one. Text is in the article and has a reference in an offline book. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:22, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
Graeme Bartlett You are correct about the first hook, there is more than one manuscript. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 22:29, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I can access the ALT1 inline citation, and I do not see any mention of the Acts of Shmona and Gurya. The source says that the tombs of Shmona and Gurya, killed during the persecutions of Diocletian and Licinius, are located near the cemeteries of Edessa. How does this verify the sentence in the lead, The setting [for the text] takes place at Edessa during Diocletian's persecutions towards Christians and in Emperor Licinius's reign.? Yoninah (talk) 21:26, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Yoninah Sorry for the slow response, but thanks for clarifying that citation. Prior to your question, I was actually re-reading all the sources thoroughly, and I had misinterpreted/confused the sources. I will have to change ATL1 to a new hook or probably similar to ATL1 (ATL2). I don't know how much time I have, but I'll be working on the article right after I post this message. — JudeccaXIII (talk)

Graeme Bartlett I had to do extensive changes to the article as I made mistakes to the point of having to discard ATL1. I would like to have your opinion of ATL2: ... that the setting of the Acts of Shmona and of Gurya takes place at Edessa during Roman Emperor Diocletian's Great Persecution? — JudeccaXIII (talk) 10:23, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg I have reformatted your ATL2 hook so it is in the DYK format with a link. Normally we would have said ALT2 (meaning alternative 2). ATL2 is short enough. It is in the article, with a reference. However looking at the reference I do not see it saying it is taking place in Edessa. Does it say that on a different page to 486? On this page is says it was written in Edessa, and that Qona was the bishop of Edessa at the time. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:47, 4 November 2016‎ (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg OK Kaiser reference confirms the fact. The hooks is not very exciting though, so you are welcome to suggest a more hooky one. Now OK to proceed. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:17, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Yoninah I'm going to check the source again and find some more that support this or perhaps contradict it. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 22:17, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Yoninah The text is historical, so ATL3 won't work. I have fixed the mistake and added an additional citation. Grammar wise though, the way I typed sounds horrible when reading out-loud. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 22:40, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
  • @JudeccaXIII: I'm beginning to wonder if this article is fully accurate and verifiable. Yoninah (talk) 22:42, 5 November 2016 (UTC)


Mike McCray

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 13:26, 11 September 2016 (UTC).

  • I assume there's a "player of the week" every week, so why in the world is interesting? EEng 19:36, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
  • It might be a record for the least experienced athlete to win the award. It is an astounding feat to win the award with so little experience.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:50, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
The general reader won't realize that. Is there some way to rewrite the hook to bring that out? EEng 02:58, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
  • If this sentence was sourced, maybe - ALT1 "...that Mike McCray, an American football linebacker for the Michigan Wolverines for the 2016 team, is sometimes referred to as Big Play McCray?". I'm not entirely sure what sports topics are considered interesting, but I thought I would add a suggestion. SL93 (talk) 21:33, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Well, at least it rhymes. EEng 21:50, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
I'd support the nickname if it had more google hits and did not seem to be more associated with another athlete (Lerentee McCray).--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:58, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Striking ALT1 due to the issues mentioned above. TonyTheTiger, can you please revise the original hook along the lines suggested by EEng? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:42, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
Well, you said that his player-of-the-week award was unusual for such an inexperienced player. Can you rewrite ALT0 to make that clear? Unfortunately I don't understand football at all so I can't help with that. EEng 17:30, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
EEng, I have expanded the hook (it is still only 174 characters).--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:46, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Can you quote the source, especially on the "despite inexperience" bit? EEng 15:13, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
I don't have sources. First start and two career tackles are prima facie evidence. It would be like if a police officer pulled over an 18 year old with a one day old license and then asked the kid if he was really making a first time mistake. WP:RS is for facts likely to be challenged. If you have never started and have only two career tackles, you can't have much experience.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:20, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Then you'll need to come up with a new wording. McCray played in 11 games in 2014, and blocked a punt in his first outing that year. He was on the injured list in 2015, and is a senior this year. "Inexperience" is your characterization. You might want to try that he was named Defensive Player of the Week on his first start, even though he'd only had two previous career tackles. (You could also mention that he's a linebacker.) BlueMoonset (talk) 21:34, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Reciting "first career start" and "two previous career tackles" seems unnecessarily wordy. How about a slightly shorter and punchier alt:
* ALT4 ... that Michigan linebacker Mike McCray was named Big Ten Conference Defensive Player of the Week for his first career start? Cbl62 (talk) 21:34, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I see your point, but they are not redundant facts. I would argue that you made it punchier by making a one-two punch into a one punch.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:43, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


Wolfgang Hohlbein

Wolfgang Hohlbein
Wolfgang Hohlbein
  • ... that Wolfgang Hohlbein is among Germany's most successful fiction authors, writing more than 200 books and selling more than 43 million copies?
  • ALT1:... that despite being one of Germany's most successful fiction authors, almost none of Wolfgang Hohlbein's books have been translated into English?
  • ALT2:... that Wolfgang Hohlbein, one of Germany's most successful fiction authors, had his own reality show featuring him and his family?
  • ALT3: ... that Wolfgang Hohlbein has written more than 200 books, selling more than 43 million copies, but almost none have been translated into English?
  • Comment: Was an unsourced BLP stub with only a few sentences, has been expanded and sourced by me.

2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Dead Mary (talk). Self-nominated at 19:23, 10 September 2016 (UTC).

  • Comment only ALT3 added, combining ALT0 and ALT1. "Germany's " could be put in front of the title, but with such a German name it seems unnecessary. Edwardx (talk) 00:15, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg Article meets new requirements as an expanded BLP. I count about 4,200 characters of prose. However, I see a potential problem with ALT0, ALT1, and ALT2. I might be wrong because I can only Google Translate to read the sources, but I think they say "fantasy writer" instead of "fiction writer". I have tweaked the article, but if someone who knows how to read German could verify this or tell me I'm wrong, then we could verify these hooks. FallingGravity 02:45, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Well, I can read German (haha :P). It seems there is some confusion about the use of interchanging genres in the article (mb it is also my limited language skills). To clear it up what he actually does: He writes fiction stories in multiple genres. And those genres are fantasy, horror and in his early days also science fiction. He writes books in all of those genres and he wrote a lot of books (that is the point). Dead Mary (talk) 03:09, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
Do the sources say he's a successful writer in those genres? If so then the hooks should probably reflect that. FallingGravity 06:49, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Source 2: Die Hohlbeins sind Bestseller auf dem Jugendbuchmarkt. Sie werden viel gelesen und selten gelobt. [sic] Sie bedienen das Genre Fantasy, und das gilt als trivial. Es ist eine unreine Mischung aus Phantastischem und Märchenhaftem, aus englischem Gothic novel und deutscher Romantik, aus Science-fiction und Sage.
The Hohlbeins are bestseller on the youth literature market. They serve the genre of fantasy, which is considered trivial. It is a mix of speculative fiction and fairytales, of english gothic novels and German romanticism, of science fiction and legends
  • Source 3: Und doch scheint hier zunächst alles so, wie man es sich von dem erfolgreichsten Fantasy-Autor Deutschlands erwartet, fast zu perfekt.
And here everything looks like what you would expect from Germany's most successful fantasy author, almost too perfect.
  • Source 4: Hat man die erste Folge der neuen Doku-Soap „Die Hohlbeins – Eine total fantastische Familie“ über Deutschlands erfolgreichsten Fantasy-Autoren mitverfolgt,...
If one has watched the first episode of the new docu-soap „Die Hohlbeins – Eine total fantastische Familie“ about Germany's most successful fantasy authors...
  • Source 5: Er gilt als einer der erfolgreichsten, einer der meistgelesenen deutschen Fantasy-Autoren.
He is considered as one of the most successful and most read German fantasy authors.
  • Source 8: Wolfgang Hohlbein, erfolgreichster deutscher Fantasy-Autor (in the title)
Wolfgang Hohlbein, most successful German fantasy author
I am not quite sure what you are looking for, the direct translation of "fiction writer" is not really used in the German language (Fiktion Autor would be the literal translation and nobody uses that). Usually such authors are described as authors for Romane (novels) or the genre is directly mentioned, because an author in the genre of fantasy (Fantasy Autor) is a fiction author by definition. If there are some questions left, I can easily provide more or other sources if requested. Here is another source which mentions all the genres again:
  • Er ist einer der erfolgreichsten zeitgenössischen deutschen Schriftsteller: Wolfgang Hohlbein. [sic] Seither hat Hohlbein 200 Romane und Geschichten - Fantasy, Abenteuer, Horror und Thriller - geschrieben und 44 Millionen Exemplare verkauft.'
  • He is considered as one the most successful contemporary German authors: Wolfgang Hohlbein. [sic] Since then Hohlbein wrote more than 200 novels and storys - fantasy, adventure, horror and thriller - and sold more than 44 million copies.
Of course I am also open for changes in the hook if you think this is needed. (I am btw. the nominator/author of the article in case you didnt notice, so I dont know if it is ok if I check for procedural reasons.) Dead Mary (talk) 18:55, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT4:... that Wolfgang Hohlbein is among Germany's most successful fantasy authors, writing more than 200 books and selling more than 43 million copies?
  • ALT5:... that despite being one of Germany's most successful fantasy authors, almost none of Wolfgang Hohlbein's books have been translated into English?

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I've provided two more hooks based on the sources which read "fantasy author". Given my edits to the article and these new hooks, I'm requesting another review. FallingGravity 17:41, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg re-review: article is still big enough, and all paragraphs cited. However expansion is not enough. Its gone from 3234 to 4058 characters. It is neutral enough. ALT4 and 5 are both short enough-145 chars. Hook ALT4 is in the article and cited and confirmed by references. Earwig's bot cannot find problems with copyviolation. File is in the article and free to use. This is the user's first nomination, so QPQ not needed. Hook ALT5 is not precisely in the article, and once looking at the references, they don't say that at all. Why didn't I check the lack of expansion earlier! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:43, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Note: I went back and recounted the characters and found that I had left out some paragraphs of prose. By this new count, I found the pre-expanded article had 3115 characters of prose. FallingGravity 01:32, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
I want to comment on the points raised by both of you:
  • Its gone from 3234 to 4058 characters.
I have to object. It went from 1352 characters to 4298 characters of prose. Or are you counting the bibliography list part in the old version which had nothing to do with the person too? That was just a long list of his books together with some trivial in-universe descriptions of what is happening in the books. I don't think that should count because that was literally just unsourced garbage which had nothing to do with the subject.
I count from before the editing began. This did have the bibliography, and some text was counted in that, but not much. We don't get to exclude low quality writing or stuff the new editor does not want from the pre-count. Expansion has not been 5x anyway, there were references before, so it was not a unreferenced BLP expansion, just a non-inline cited by poor references expansion. The solution is to write more to get the expansion up to size. I have been using the DYKC tool to count. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:36, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
I used the tool too and I counted the text which is 1352 characters. I did leave the Bibliography alone because it is literally garbage. It is not just low quality writing (I would understand it in that case), it was two large bloated paragraphs which had nothing to do with him him as a person inside of an extremely large list which does not belong there. Also expansion has to be 2x not 5x for referencing an unreferenced BLP. The article did not have a reference. It had an external link to his homepage and a fanpage. Thats not a reference, as those 2 links referenced nothing which had been written in the article. Dead Mary (talk) 12:20, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Hook ALT5 is not precisely in the article, and once looking at the references, they don't say that at all.
Well it is same as hook 3 and is actually indeed sourced? It is a two-part hook. "Most successful German fantasy author" is used by literally every source as shown above. The second part (lack of English translations) is specifically discussed in source 8. And that is both in the article. Dead Mary (talk) 07:12, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
On the topic of ALT5, the first part is OK. The hook is most likely true. It is that the wording is different to the article. The reference 8 does not say it clearly either, instead saying it is difficult for German authors to be translated to English, and excluding English from the list of language. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:47, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Here:
  • In wie viele Sprachen sind Ihre Bücher inzwischen übersetzt worden?
Hohlbein: Mit Ausnahme des Englischen in alle westeuropäischen und auch in viele osteuropäische Sprachen. Gerade ist ein Buch auf Koreanisch erschienen. In China wird nächstes Jahr etwas herauskommen.
To how much languages do your books have been translated too?
Hohlbein: With the exception English to all West-European languages and a lot of Eastern European languages. Recently a book has been published in Korean.
  • Warum nicht im englisch-sprachigen Raum? Haben die genügend eigene Fantasy-Autoren?
Hohlbein: Das wird es wohl sein. Es ist nicht nur für mich, sondern überhaupt für deutsche Autoren unglaublich schwer, ins Englische übersetzt zu werden.
Why not into the English speaking sphere? Do they have enough fantasy authors of their own?
Hohlbein: That may be it. It is not only for me, but for other German authors really hard do get books translated into English.
They ask him in which languages his books have been translated and he answers in all except English. And they ask him why not into the English speaking sphere. I think that is pretty clear. I mean I could also give a reference to worldcat or DNB, where the absence of any English translated books would show that too, but I think that would be not appropriate enough. ;P Dead Mary (talk) 12:20, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
I am happy with ALT4. The issue is the insufficient expansion! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:07, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
Well you are currently arguing that I have to expand the article 5 times instead of 2 times and that the base prose is 3234 characters and not 1352 characters. I dont agree with that (see my comment above), but that means according to you I would have to expand the article in its current form another 5 times. That is basically impossible to do. Dead Mary (talk) 15:31, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Dead Mary, the expansion is judged on the whole of the article prior to expansion. Per WP:DYKSG#A4: Fivefold expansion is calculated from the previously existing article, no matter how bad it was (copyvios are an exception), no matter whether you kept any of it and no matter if it were up for deletion. So even though your September edits dropped the previously existing Enwor prose sections, they still count toward the original size, hence the 3243. For the 5x vs. 2x, external links have sometimes been considered reference enough to warrant a 5x expansion rather than a 2x expansion; you might want to ask on the WT:DYK page to get a broader base of opinions on this particular case. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:37, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I understand the rules, but I don't agree with the way they are applied. Anyway I don't want to cause that much disruption. If the reviewers think the eligibility criteria are not fulfilled then that's the way it is. I am ok with that. I don't have enough material to expand the article 2x or even 5x times from its current form again, so if reviewers agree that the article is not suitable then I am ok with it not becoming a DYK. Dead Mary (talk) 22:00, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Article has, unfortunately, not been expanded sufficiently per DYK rules. If it eventually becomes a Good Article, it can be nominated at that time. Sorry this nomination didn't work out. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:36, 27 November 2016 (UTC)



Articles created/expanded on September 13[edit]

Jingdezhen ware

Flask in underglaze blue & red, Qianlong emperor
Flask in underglaze blue & red, Qianlong emperor
  • ... that despite being a remote mountain town, Jingdezhen has been the largest producer of Chinese porcelain for over 600 years? Source: pp. 176 & 216, Vainker, S.J., Chinese Pottery and Porcelain, 1991, British Museum Press, 9780714114705

5x expanded by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 12:56, 19 September 2016 (UTC).

  • Sorry, going away for a few days, so qpq will have to wait a bit. Johnbod (talk) 19:06, 22 September 2016 (UTC) Done, Johnbod (talk) 04:51, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg size and age ok, Earwig's copyvio tool clear, hook sourced to offline source accepted in good faith. Good to go. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:42, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

'copied from DYK talk Jingdezhen is a city with 1.5 million inhabitants, easily accessible along river plains, with an elevation of 35m. Jingdezhen ware was first produced in remote mountain towns like Yaoli, Jiangxi[3], which is some 50km from Jingdezhen. "Jingdezhen" is either the big cuty itself, or (as in the name of the porcelain) a larger region surrounding the city, but it isn't nor ever was a "remote mountain town". Pulled. Fram (talk) 08:24, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Oh dear, I didn't look at that part of it - just checked the porcelain bit. Well, my vote would be to remove the "though a remote mountain town" and restore. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:16, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
The hook remains interesting even with the clause between commas removed, so I would support Cas' suggestion. Vanamonde (talk) 11:59, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
Whatever they tell the tourists, after poking around the sources, I can't see that anything produced at Yaoli, Jiangxi counts as Jingdezhen ware, which was produced in or very close to the town. The tourist site source for that article is completely non-RS. The altitude may not be high, but it would be lower still without the pottery sherds which apparently underlie the whole place. The pages following this, by an expert give much information, though their archaeologist hosts didn't think it worth stopping at Yaoli, and just drove them through. The source I used included, re the town "From its apparently remote situation...". Using "town" rather than "city" reflected the historical size, but I can see the hook needs altering. Please hold the thing while I find a better alt. Johnbod (talk) 12:46, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
I'll copy this to the nom for the record. Johnbod (talk) 12:57, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
ALT1 ".... that in Imperial China, a concubine of the first rank was allowed 121 pieces of Jingdezhen ware, that were yellow with a white interior?Source: pp. 211, Vainker, S.J., Chinese Pottery and Porcelain, 1991, British Museum Press, 9780714114705

I'm not sure if the significance of the yellow colour can be fully explained in 200 characters. How about a simple tweak of the original hook:

Rather boring. For a start, it has been the main centre, as the original hook said. I don't see the significance of yellow especially needs explaining in a hook, nor does the pic need to show a yellow piece. I now think it better to have a hook that uses "Jingdezhen ware" in full. Johnbod (talk) 03:41, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
Easter egg link, which I don't like. Is it too long? And the pic would wrong. Johnbod (talk) 01:03, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Only 137 characters not too long. --PFHLai (talk) 20:32, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
Fonthill vase
Fonthill vase
I don't like that, especially as we don't have a proper picture, and the picture is not used in the article (nor should it be). The 4a link is terrible. I feel you are clutching at straws here; what is wrong with ALT1? Johnbod (talk) 01:21, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
ALT4, I suppose, can be used without the picture.
IMHO, ALT1 is rather esoteric. "concubine of the first rank"? "allowed"? What do you mean? I really don't understand why the colour is hooky. My coffee mug at work is red. Why should anyone care to know the colour? --PFHLai (talk) 07:30, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
A particular hue of yellow was reserved for the imperial family, in dress and porcelain. According to Imperial Chinese Harem system the Qing emperor was supposedly limited to six concubines; the regulation used for the DYK dates to 1899, during the reign of the Guangxu Emperor, who had 2 concubines, so I suppose one was first rank and one was second. In 1898 he was put under house arrest, after launching a coup against the Dowager Empress, who appears to have had him poisoned in 1908. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:22, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
IMO, ALT1 only works if the general readership on MainPage already understands the significance of the yellow colour, etc. Good luck packing all that info in the hook. 200 characters max. --PFHLai (talk) 12:19, 18 October 2016 (UTC), 12:44, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
I don't see that at all. The idea of hooks is to draw the reader into the article. Johnbod (talk) 14:46, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
(from Macintosh, p 88, paraphrased) The potters (at J.) were cruelly oppressed by the eunuchs, who exploited their position at court to order vast quantities of porcelain for themselves. Severely punished for their inability to make large fish bowls to the eunuchs' specificiations, a potter named Dong took the responsibility upon himself, and sacrificed his life by leaping into the kiln. The fishbowls came out perfectly, and his fellow potters built a temple to worship Dong as The Genius of Fire and Blast. DYK Dong died so the eunuchs could have their perfect fishbowls? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 11:10, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
The Jingdezhen potters referred to the kaolin and the petuntse as the "flesh and bones" of the porcelain, so DYK J-ware is made from flesh and bones (but this would have to be sourced and added to the article). Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 15:53, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT5... that despite coming from a remote town in a mountainous region, Jingdezhen ware has dominated fine Chinese porcelain for over 600 years? Source: pp. 176 & 216, Vainker, S.J., Chinese Pottery and Porcelain, 1991, British Museum Press, 9780714114705 - the original hook revisited, making the basic key point. Johnbod (talk) 16:08, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Review needed for the latest ALT hook; as it is based on the original hook, which was pulled from prep, be sure to make sure that the original concerns have been addressed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:37, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
  • The ALT5 still is misleading, as it sounds as if it comes from one small town, but it really comes from the whole district, and the city, not just one town. So how about: Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:39, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
  • That was Fram's assertion, but I don't believe he was able to demonstrate this at all. Unlike many/most other Chinese wares, it seems the production really was concentrated very closely around the city. Of course you have to read a lot of sources to know this, which speak about this very differently from the way other wares are described. The main imperial kiln was visible from the city centre, on the other side of the river. pp. 15-18 here may help - it seems the workers came to the city from the surrounding district for a firing season. Johnbod (talk) 14:19, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Added today: "The imperial kilns were in the centre of the city at Zhushan (Pearl Hill), with many other kilns four kilometres away at Hutian" (ref Krahl in Grove) and "In 1905 a European visitor reported that most production was in a short summer season, when workers from surrounding areas came to live in "barrack-like sheds" in the city, without their families. This influx took the population of the city to about 400,000, and caused some social problems." (ref Kerr) Johnbod (talk) 04:40, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT5a ... that despite coming from a mountainous region, Jingdezhen ware has dominated fine Chinese porcelain for over 600 years? Source: pp. 176 & 216, Vainker, S.J., Chinese Pottery and Porcelain, 1991, British Museum Press, 9780714114705
  • As written, that doesn't give an indication as to why the "despite" is there, unless there is a "remote" in there. Or something. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:18, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
I don't really see this, but see above. Johnbod (talk) 14:19, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
Summary so far: ALTs 1 & 5 have been objected to, but the objections are without merit imo - see above. Johnbod (talk) 05:04, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
I thought I could review something here, but am tempted to propose another hook, following KISS. Who cares about remote mountains?
ALT6: ... that Jingdezhen ware (example pictured) has dominated fine Chinese porcelain for over 600 years? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Sigh! Ok, at this point, after nearly two months, I think we need to stop piling on new hook suggestions without commenting on the existing ones, and select one from the viable ones, which as far as I am concerned are (more or less in my order of preference) ALTs: 2, 5, 5a, 6. ALT 3 could be rewritten to work. Johnbod (talk) 15:39, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT3a: ... that the mass production of Jingdezhen ware in the 14th century made Jingdezhen "one of the world's earliest industrial towns"? (I prefer the Easter egg, though. Or ALT4 without the picture. But I'm biased. Both 3&4 are my hooks.) --PFHLai (talk) 00:41, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
I really don't ALT4, nor ALT3 much. The picture is good, and it would be a pity not to use it, although there seems to be some sort of rule against ever running ceramics pics, or possibly ceramics articles at all (I now have 7 waiting). Johnbod (talk) 03:29, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Although the article's titled "Jingdezhen ware" it's really about the Jingdezhen ceramic industry- the wares are too various in styles and manufacture. The town itself is a Yangtze river port, situated next to a source of saggar clay (Jenyn pp 11-13) and surrounded by pine forests; the ideal place to locate a pottery industry (the kaolin and petuntse were stockpiled for a year or more before being used so the location of their extraction is not so important). Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 19:31, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
  • According to The Grove Encyclopedia of Decorative Arts, Volume 1, p. 529 since the late 20th century Jingdezhen produces about 300 million pieces of household porcelain a year, plus reproductions of classic Chinese models. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 12:52, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
If you want to suggest a name change, here (already far too long) isn't the place. There is something to be said for this, to "J porcelain" probably. At least it is all porcelain, which is more than can be said for some "wares". Obviously, it has continued far longer than most "wares" and is also on a larger scale, so is very varied. Since this seems stuck here indefinitely, we can discuss on talk. Johnbod (talk) 16:13, 25 November 2016 (UTC)





Grand Duke Paul Alexandrovich

5x expanded by Miguelemejia (talk). Self nominated --Miguelemejia (talk) 20:05, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg This article seems like it would pass under most criteria, but I will note that entire blocks of text are entirely unreferenced/uncited: "He was from birth Guard cornet in an Infantry Regiment. However, his career advanced more slowly than that of his elder brothers. He became Lieutenant in January 1874, but as he was still too young, he was the only of Tsar Alexander II's sons not to take part in the Russo-Turkish War (1877–78)." Or: "Grand Duke Paul was appointed Captain in 1882." Or: "His birth was commemorated by the naming of the city of Pavlodar in Kazakhstan." Or: "The mansion located at 68 Angliiskaya Naberezhnaya, in the very center of Saint Petersburg, was built in the Florentine renaissance style by the architect Alexander Krakau between 1859–1862 for Baron Alexander von Stieglitz, a prominent financier and the first Governor of the Bank of Russia. After Stieglitz's death in 1884, the mansion was inherited by his adopted daughter, Nadezhda Polovtsova, who was in fact the illegitimate child of Grand Duke Michael Pavlovich, and thus a close cousin of Grand Duke Paul. She sold the property to the Treasury in 1887. Shortly before his marriage, Grand Duke Paul acquired the mansion. The treasures of the house included the white marble staircase, the sitting room decorated with caryatids, the oak-paneled library, and the concert hall with portraits of great composers and panels depicting The Four Seasons. The architect Maximilian Messmacher redesigned some of the interiors, creating a Moorish Hall." Or: "With the assassination of his brother Sergei in February 1905, Grand Duke Paul was allowed to return to Russia for the funeral, but Olga was denied entrance that April to attend the promotion of her son Alexander Pistohlkors as an army officer. Paul claimed the custody of Marie and Dmitri, but the Tsar made Elizabeth their guardian. From then on, Grand Duke Paul was allowed to visit his children, but not to return to Russia permanently with his second wife. On 5 December that same year, Grand Duke Paul and Olga had another daughter, Natalia, completing their family." Etc. Either these are backed by citations elsewhere in the text (are they?) -- in which case the notes need to be reduplicated to the fragments they also support (it is not for the reader to guess or to assume); or else they are essays and original research by the editor, in which case they should not be in the article at all. Mind you: that all paragraphs should have citations is an explicit requirement of DYK eligibility. Dahn (talk) 09:28, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Additional comment -- I must also note that at least another DYK entry by the same (evidently good-faith and valuable) editor was passed with similar crucial citation problems, problems which could have been easily fixed, should the reviewer or anyone else have bothered actually reading the text. Are we getting this sloppy? Dahn (talk) 09:33, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Issue has been addressed notes were reduplicated and further citations added. Miguelemejia (talk) 23:25, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Miguelemejia, I was about to call for a new reviewer when I realized that four of the citations were bare URLs, which is not allowed at DYK. Most of them are to the same source, so they can be combined entries adding a "name" field to the ref tag. Once you've fixed these, I can do that call. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:16, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg @Miguelemejia: This article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The article is neutral, the hook fact is sourced inline and accepted AGF, but lack of access to the sources prevent me from checking for copyright issues. I was about to give the nomination a tick but then realised you have not done a QPQ review. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:17, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
  • I will work on a QPQ review in the following days.Miguelemejia 14:37, 10 November 2016‎ (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on October 2[edit]

Give Thanks With a Grateful Heart

Created by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 21:14, 2 October 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg This entry is new enough and long enough, and mostly within policy as to the DYK requirements. I don't detect any copyvios and the article is neutral, but there are some sourcing concerns. The original hook is short enough and it is interesting, with a reference immediately following the sentence. However, that New Humanist source only mentions "One-Nil to the Arsenal" and not "Give Thanks with a Grateful Heart" as far as I can tell. The article seems to rely largely on questionable sources, including a youth ministry blog, a lyrics website, and an online discussion forum post. If we can tighten up the sourcing, an extra comma and an extra semicolon need to be taken out of the hook. EricEnfermero (Talk) 03:10, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
    • @EricEnfermero: It's mentioned in the source at the bottom where it says "They head off back inside the compound to a rousing rendition of “Give Thanks with a Grateful Heart” (which is, spookily, sung to the tune of “one-nil to the Arsenal”)." AS for the lyrics website source (I'm assuming you're referring to hymnary, it has already been ruled at RSN that it is a reliable source. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:38, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
      • I appreciate you pointing out the RS issue and the part of the reference that includes the mention of the song. The cited source suggests to me that "One-Nil to the Arsenal" came first - I think that's the reverse of what the hook says, unless I'm misunderstanding. EricEnfermero (Talk) 07:58, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
      • Just adding here that while the Catholic Online source has a video of the song and it talks about the meaning of Thanksgiving, I can't see where it supports the assertion that the song is used commonly in Thanksgiving services. Likewise, I think we should just get rid of the listserv source of the guy who sings the song to himself. EricEnfermero (Talk) 08:11, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
        • @EricEnfermero: I have added a source for Arsenal's usage of it and reworded the Thanksgiving line. But I'm still not quite sure which one you mean by the listserv source? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:47, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
          • The Ship of Fools source seems to be an email mailing list post about a guy who says he was singing this song to himself (back in 1999). I can't see how this merits mention in an encyclopedia; in general, you don't find many reliably sourced articles using message board posts anyway. EricEnfermero (Talk) 09:00, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Thanks for your work on this. Does the Catholic Online source really support an association between the song and Thanksgiving in the US? I think it just might support the fact that a video of the song appears on a web post about Thanksgiving, and I can't imagine that being worthy of inclusion here. EricEnfermero (Talk) 10:14, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

  • @EricEnfermero: I have now reworded it while retaining inclusion of the source. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 11:07, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
    • Symbol confirmed.svg Seems a stretch to retain that source, but I don't think that we can justify holding up a DYK for that. All of the statements that I made in my initial review are still valid (length, newness, no copyvios, sourced/interesting hook, etc), so I think we are good to go. EricEnfermero (Talk) 19:32, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg Just to make clear that the above tick is no longer valid: the hook was pulled after discussion at WT:DYK, and this discussion then reopened by the C of E. Fram (talk) 11:22, 11 October 2016 (UTC) Symbol delete vote.svg And after the incorrect information, the unreliably sourced bits, and the bits with a source but without that info on the source were removed, the article was of clearly insufficient length to be promoted anyway. Fram (talk) 11:22, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg The Arsenal hook may be opposed but no comments have yet been given against the Go West source. The Royal C (talk) 15:10, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
As the environment won't allow for Go West inclusion, the new hook I propose is ALT2 ... that the Christian song "Give Thanks With a Grateful Heart" has been suggested as a song to be used for thanksgiving? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 21:59, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
However alt2 is completely obvious and not telling us any more than the title which says "give thanks"! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:33, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
  • What do you mean, "incorrectly". They didn't know the author, so they correctly listed it as "unknown authorship". Fram (talk) 07:35, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
    Alteration made. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:42, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
    • "Interesting" is definitely part of the DYK hook criteria. I'm quite surprised you've never read WP:DYK, or you'd have noticed it earlier on the page than the DYKHOOK section: The hook should include a definite fact that is mentioned in the article and interesting to a broad audience. Now that you know, I'm sure you'll keep it in mind when creating future hooks. You might also want to read the full text above the DYK editing window, since you've not noticed that it also lists the "interesting to a broad audience" hook criterion, and quite a bit else besides. BlueMoonset (talk) 08:16, 24 October 2016 (UTC)



Articles created/expanded on October 5[edit]

Zama (novel)

  • Comment: Article created in mainspace October 5th 2016.

Created by Verycutedog (talk). Self-nominated at 19:01, 5 October 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Verycutedog Work is needed to get this ready for promotion. Please see below:
Article
  • New: created on October 5, 2016;
  • Long enough: 1709 characters
  • Work needed on content: The lead and Plot summary sections need in-line references in order to be within policy
Hook
  • ALT 1 is preferred
  • Format: Less than 200 characters but the link to Zama in the hook (ALT 1) is incorrect.

Hmlarson (talk) 23:55, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Checklist

Image eligibility:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg ready to go Hmlarson (talk) 23:20, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but the article is not yet at an acceptable length. Though 1777 characters in total, 485 characters (27%) of the total is unsourced plot. I added a line to the lead to show notability, but the article as a whole is little more than a few sketchy statements. Can you add any more from the sources – background, production, etc. – to bring this up to start-class per WP:DYKSG#D7? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:52, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Issues have been unresolved for a long time. Vanamonde (talk) 13:54, 29 November 2016 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on October 7[edit]

Mary Chase Walker

Mary Chase Walker
Mary Chase Walker

Created by Rosiestep (talk) and Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 01:53, 12 October 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Length (2319 characters) is adequate. It was nominated within 7 days. Article appears neutral and is adequately cited to apparently reliable sources. Earwig found no serious issues but there's a few phrases that could do with changing to distinguish from [5]. Hook is concise, interesting & supported by the reference cited (and several others), but unfortunately the fact appears in doubt. Timeline of San Diego states "1795 – Public school opens" with the supporting ref stating against July 1795: "Manuel de Vargas, pioneer school teacher of the state, opens the first public school." This claim is repeated (uncited) in our article Education in California: "The first recorded school in California was opened in 1795 by Manuel de Vargas, a retired sergeant, in San Diego." QPQ done. Image is ok at the size and appears likely to be in the public domain. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:37, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
  • I feel pretty good with this research that MCW was the San Diego's first teacher. I couldn't find gbooks which support Manuel de Vargas opening a school in San Diego, but I found this, placing him in San Jose. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:02, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
  • What do you make of [6]? "Manuel de Vargas - San Diego - $250 per annum - July 1795-Dec. 1798" & "Antonio Menendez - San Diego - $15 per month - Aug. 1828-Dec. 1829". Espresso Addict (talk) 06:02, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Going offline now, but via JSTOR from the LA Daily Times 1896: [7]: "The first school in California was opened in San Jose in December, 1794, seventeen years after the founding of the Pueblo. / The pioneer teacher of California was Manuel de Vargas, a retired sergeant of infantry. The school was opened in the public granary. Vargas in 1795, was offered $250 a year to open a school in San Diego, and as this was higher wages than he was receiving, true to the instincts of the profession, he took it, and thus became the pioneer teacher of Southern California." (p1-2) ... "Vargas, the pioneer pedagogue, seems to have been somewhat of an educational tramp. We find him in 1798-99 teaching in Santa Barbara. With the close of the century he disappears from the educational field." (p8) There are other hits there for the name but I don't have time to go through them now. Espresso Addict (talk) 08:57, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Reviewer needed now that a new hook has been proposed. Should also check to be sure the close paraphrasing mentioned initially has been taken care of. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:10, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Tony Ahn

Writer Tony Ahn
Writer Tony Ahn

ALT1 photo:

Ahn at Death March Marker km100
Ahn at Death March Marker km100
  • ...that over five days in 2015, American writer Tony Ahn (pictured) hiked the Bataan Death March route, taking only one liter of water and one cup of rice per day, to raise awareness of Filipino involvement?

Created on Oct. 7 and nominated by ScooterSponson (self-nom) ScooterSponson (talk) 21:58, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

  • This is my first nomination so if I understand the rules correctly I'm exempted from QPQ?
    ScooterSponson (talk) 20:30, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
  • The ALT1 photo appears below the first photo, and that makes it look like it is part of the next DYK nom. I'm adding this comment to create some offset so people will notice, and I assume future comments will increase that offset so it is clear that alternate image goes with the Tony Ahn article.
    ScooterSponson (talk) 20:30, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough and long enough, hook is interesting and referenced, no neutrality issues detected,image is licensed and QPQ not needed. Good to go. KAVEBEAR (talk) 17:07, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Returned from prep per discussion at WT:DYK. The article itself is written in an overly promotional style and should be trimmed to just the facts to maintain an encyclopedic tone. Several paragraphs also lack any citations at all, per DYK Rule D2. Yoninah (talk) 22:51, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Changed duration from four days to five days to answer concern of TRM about reported distance. Will look at other issues now. ScooterSponson (talk) 04:26, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg To explain what I meant by my comments above, I did a serious copyedit to remove the overabundance of detail and quotes from this article. I originally tagged the article for reading like a newspaper feature rather than an encyclopedic entry. IMO the section on South Korea needs to be trimmed more, and the Diaper Patrol section is rather questionable to include altogether. I'm sure I could list lots of controversies in the bio of every celebrity on Wikipedia, but what we're looking for is notability. Since it appears his main claim to notability are his controversies, I added that fact to the lead. There is also the matter of at least one citation needed in the second paragraph under "South Korea", per Rule D2. Yoninah (talk) 21:26, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Regarding the hook, I am reprinting The Rambling Man's comments at WT:DYK:
  • Besides the article being a puff piece which really does a great job of advertising Mr Ahn and his career highlights, the hook says:
  • that over four days in 2015, American writer Tony Ahn hiked the Bataan Death March route, taking only one liter of water and one cup of rice per day, to raise awareness of Filipino involvement?
  • Now, I take that to mean the hike was conducted over four days, not that it took "over four days", however the article states It was sunny the entire four and a half days Ahn took to make the trek, presumably taking the extra half a day to do the last bit. But there's more confusion, one sentence says he hiked the "112km Bataan Death March" (non-breaking space and conversion required there really) but then it says ... taking four days to cover the 102km ... plus ... and a 6km march from the ... (more non-breaking spaces and conversions needed). That adds up to 108 km, not the 112km noted in the previous sentence. Finally, the hook needs to be clearer, as per the article, it was to raise awareness that Filipinos were also involved in the march, not simply "to raise awareness of Filipino involvement". The Rambling Man (talk) 08:51, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Okay, I've changed the numbers to match the Stars & Stripes Source. ScooterSponson (talk) 14:18, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
  • I changed the hook to "five days" over a month ago. ScooterSponson (talk) 14:18, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Doesn't "to raise awareness that Filipinos were also involved in the march" and "to raise awareness of Filipino involvement" mean the same thing? I was simply going for brevity/word economy with my wording. Besides, the title of the cited article is "American walks Bataan Death March to raise awareness of Philippine involvement" ScooterSponson (talk) 14:18, 1 December 2016 (UTC)



Articles created/expanded on October 8[edit]

Ed Rush

Ed Rush DJing at Washington in 2015
Ed Rush DJing at Washington in 2015
  • Reviewed: Peter Coade
  • Comment: Previously deleted article.

Created by Yorkshiresky (talk). Self-nominated at 12:47, 8 October 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This is a bit tricky to assess. Compared to the restored earlier content, this was not a 5x expansion. However at the time of the nomination it was a valid creation of a new page. The earlier content was not used in the creation of this text. And it is large enough. The main text is cited, however the Discography is largely uncited. Given the substantial coverage in the supplied references this should easily survive another AFD. QPQ done. Correct person credited. No copyvio found in check. Hook alt1 has 109 characters, short enough, it is in article and cited. Although picture is suitably licenced and exif date makes this look genuine, it is a bit small to see clearly. Can you do a crop of the centre third to give us a close up of the man, and less background and sound desk? If we use the image we need to add (pictured) to the hook too. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:33, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg For the original hook, it seems to be partly contradicted by the text, as it says they were on FabricLive.06, and it does not verify that Ed Rush released FabricLive.82, just that they were on it. However ALT1 is usable instead. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:39, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Thanks for reviewing. Re the first hook. They did appear on the tracklisting of FabricLive.06, and indeed FabricLive.18 and 40. However FabricLive.82 was the first album in the series they mixed i.e. as the headline act. Will look at rephrasing the sentence so it's clearer.yorkshiresky (talk) 18:46, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg yorkshiresky, I don't see how the source quote supports ALT1. Just because "Ed Rush" sounds like "head rush", it doesn't follow that this is actually where Settle got the name. Absent something more definitive, the hook isn't usable. I'm also wondering whether the addition of the word "headline" in the article is enough to satisfy Graeme Bartlett's concerns for the original hook; it still doesn't seem enough to me, but I'm not versed in Fabriclive or how to count participation in a mix series. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:22, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 10[edit]

Shah Mosque (Tehran)

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(Premier of Iran Is Shot to Death In a Mosque by a Religious Fanatic; PREMIER OF IRAN SLAIN IN MOSQUE Cabinet in Emergency Session VICTIM OF ASSASSIN, New York Times)
(Iran and the Ikhwan: Assassinations, Pamphlets and Meetings, ASHARQ AL-AWSAT)

  • Reviewed: Placeholder

Created by AlmaBeta (talk). Nominated by AlmaBeta (talk) at 06:45, 10 October 2016.

  • Comment: If this page history is a little funky, its because the first nomination was badly formatted to the point of breaking the code, so I deleted the page and recreated it as the fastest way of fixing the mess. Cheers, Vanamonde (talk) 06:44, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg Article doesn't come close to the 1500 character requirement.©Geni (talk) 23:30, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

I believe the article is now at +1500 prose characters. AlmaBeta (talk) 04:17, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that the article appears to be long enough to qualify for DYK. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:33, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Rephrase the line "...with close ties to the traditional merchant class and the clergy", as it appears in the Britannica source. Exempt from QPQ, < 5 DYK credits. AdventurousSquirrel (talk) 19:08, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

  • Comment The English needs a quick going-over from a native speaker, especially adding "the" at numerous points. Johnbod (talk) 17:55, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment Want to mention that the assassin has an article in English wikipedia. Also for the merchant class, you can link to Bazaari. AlmaBeta (talk) 04:33, 18 November 2016 (UTC)









Articles created/expanded on October 14[edit]

Ariel Award for Best Actress, Ariel Award for Best Actor, Ariel Award for Best Supporting Actress, Ariel Award for Best Supporting Actor, Sofía Espinosa, Adriana Paz, Marco Pérez (actor), Noé Hernández (actor)

Created/expanded by Jaespinoza (talk). Self-nominated at 21:40, 14 October 2016 (UTC).

  • Comment: QPQ pending. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:45, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
  • @Jaespinoza: I would like to point out that you will need eight QPQs for this eight-article nomination, instead of just one. Pppery 22:47, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
  • @Pppery: I'm aware of that, it will be a hard job. I will be posting my reviews as they come. Thank you. Javier Espinoza (talk) 00:00, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
1st. Review: Template:Did you know nominations/Like I'm Gonna Lose You. Javier Espinoza (talk) 00:00, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Fixed. I expanded the lead section to 2937 characters. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:56, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
  • The tool that I use says it is 2919 characters. You can probably get it over the hump, but don't worry too much if you don't.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:15, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Fixed. I expanded the lead section for the Best Supporting Actress list to 1513 characters. Javier Espinoza (talk) 20:17, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
2nd and 3rd Review: Abzurdah (book) and Cielo Latini. Javier Espinoza (talk) 00:43, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
4th Review: Liam Norberg. Javier Espinoza (talk) 01:36, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
5th Review: One Piece Treasure Cruise. Javier Espinoza (talk) 01:46, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
6th Review: John F. Good. Javier Espinoza (talk) 02:06, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
7th Review: José Antonio Raón y Gutiérrez. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:29, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
8th Review: International Prize in Statistics. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:39, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
@TonyTheTiger: Hello, can you review this nomination again? I just completed the 8 reviews needed for this nomination and expanded the articles as you asked me on your first review. Thank you. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:39, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
Review of Ariel Award for Best Supporting Actor
Review of Ariel Award for Best Actress
Review of Adriana Paz
Review of Sofía Espinosa
Review of Ariel Award for Best Supporting Actress
Review of Noé Hernández (actor)
Review of Marco Pérez (actor)
Review of Ariel Award for Best Actor
General comments

--DYKReviewBot (report bugs) 20:10, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Everything now checks out.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:44, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
    • Pulled as per this discussion. Concerns are some lack of referencing and identical text. This is too complex to have an 8 hour deadline so have halted things until addressed. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:44, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
      • To elaborate: only one of the four Ariel award articles (Best Actress) has sufficient original prose to qualify, as content duplicated between articles doesn't count. I haven't checked for other issues but The Rambling Man mentioned lack of citations in filmographies in the linked discussion. 23:41, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
@Casliber: Can you tell me how much I need to expand? .Javier Espinoza (talk) 02:49, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
I haven't looked, it was Nikkimaria so you might want to ping her. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:32, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
@Nikkimaria: Hello. Can you tell me how much I need to expand? Thank you. Javier Espinoza (talk) 04:40, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Best Supporting Actor is at around 800 characters, Best Actress is around 2000 and per the above needs to be more, Best Supporting Actress is around 550, Best Actor is around 650. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:55, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Since this has been pulled, superseding the tick with a more accurate icon for the nomination's current state. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:09, 30 October 2016 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on October 16[edit]

Tennant Creek Catholic Church

  • that the Tennant Creek Catholic Church, once known as the "longest church" in Australia, was over 700 kilometres long? Source: The church building was originally constructed in 1904 in Pine Creek, which is 760 km north of Tennant Creek... The dismantled church was railed to Birdum and then trucked the remaining distance. The trucks carrying the dismantled church were caught in floods at Daly Waters and parts of the loads were left on the roadside. Spread out along the route for some time, it became known as the "longest church in Australia".
    • ALT1: that the Tennant Creek Catholic Church, once known as the "longest church" in Australia had its ends, over 700 kilometres apart? Source: The church building was originally constructed in 1904 in Pine Creek, which is 760 km north of Tennant Creek... The dismantled church was railed to Birdum and then trucked the remaining distance. The trucks carrying the dismantled church were caught in floods at Daly Waters and parts of the loads were left on the roadside. Spread out along the route for some time, it became known as the "longest church in Australia".

Created by Tenniscourtisland (talk). Self-nominated at 03:54, 16 October 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, no close paraphrasing or neutrality issues detected. @Tenniscourtisland: However, the hooks do not exist in the article especially the "over 700 kilometres long". And the source used here are not sourced but explanatory footnotes also not in the article. I suggest incorporating an inline citations for the dimensions or suggesting another more simpler hook like... that the Tennant Creek Catholic Church, once known as the "longest church" in Australia. KAVEBEAR (talk) 09:45, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
    • Symbol confirmed.svg article new enough, long enough, references checks out. good 2 go.BabbaQ (talk) 20:23, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg BabbaQ, nothing has changed in the article, yet you have passed it despite the issues KAVEBEAR originally noted with the hooks. The point there, that nowhere does the article say that the church was actually spread out over more than 700 kilometres, still seems accurate. Hooks need to be clearly backed up by the article, and KAVEBEAR's right: this one isn't. The problem here is that the nominator, Tenniscourtisland, has not responded to these points in over a month. BlueMoonset (talk) 08:29, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 17[edit]

Vice News Tonight

  • that the new HBO daily news series Vice News Tonight has already been given a three-year commitment from the network?

Created by Fireflyfanboy (talk). Self-nominated at 07:28, 25 October 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Note that the main hook is not interesting or surprising, but we can give alt1 a shot. The article is big enough but only just. It is padded with plenty of quotes that the tool fails to exclude, but the original text is 1600 characters. However it is a little bit late - 8 days and 5 hours at nom time. Started 02:10, 17 October 2016 nominated 07:28, 25 October 2016. I notice the first DYK attempted was too late by a long way. This is the third DYK nomination, so no QPQ is needed yet. Earlier claims of hoax and lack of notability have proved false. I am slightly concerned about neutrality, as most of the reviews have been a bit insulting. Has this changed? The hook ALT1 is in the article, cited and confirmed. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:05, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
I'd be fine with ALT1 if that's the preferable blurb!Fireflyfanboy (talk) 23:34, 27 November 2016 (UTC)






Articles created/expanded on October 18[edit]

Egypt at the 1906 Intercalated Games

5x expanded by Canadian Paul (talk). Self-nominated at 18:49, 18 October 2016 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg — Yellow Dingo (talk) 10:05, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Returned from prep for better hook. Comment at WT:DYK:
  • The blurb talks about an athlete who is so non-notable that he doesn't have a Wikipedia article. Can I therefore enquire as to how this would be of interest to "a broad audience"? The Rambling Man (talk) 09:25, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Perhaps a hook could be developed around the team or the games themselves. Yoninah (talk) 10:07, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Personally I find the idea of an Italian competing for Egypt in two completely different sports at a large international festival to be quite interesting, as did the reviewer who approved the hook, and I believe a broad audience would be interested as well. If this community disagrees, then I respect that that is the way Wikipedia works and I'm happy to move on; it's not a big deal. I have no additional hook, so if no one else is willing to offer one, then this nomination can be closed as failed. I note, however, that an article on this athlete would pass WP:ATHLETE as having "participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level" (the IOC may not recognize them, but they were the top international multi-sport tournament in 1906), so Colombani is notable by Wikipedia's standards, even if no one has yet created his article. Canadian Paul 15:41, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
  • An initial response, how does anyone know this was an Italian representing a version of Egypt? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:17, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT1: ... that two athletes marched under the Egyptian banner at the first-ever Olympic opening ceremony in 1906? Yoninah (talk) 23:36, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg ALT1 is cited inline, Turkish language source accepted AGF. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:21, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
    • Responding in the order of arrival: 1. Given his Italian-sounding name and the fact that he competed for club whose name is in Italian, I would say it's a fair assumption; at the very least, I think we can agree that his name doesn't sound like an indigenous Egyptian one, which is what is hooky. 2. I have no objection to the hook, although others might find it contentious that the opening ceremony is referred to as "Olympic", since even though it was considered as such at the time, it is no longer considered as such by the IOC (although it is by practically every Olympic historian). 3. The source for the new hook can be verified online and in English through source #2 at the end of the sentence (the Turkish source is just to cite the date of the founding of the Ottoman Olympic Committee, which in turn explains why the banner was Egyptian and not Ottoman, the de jure owner of Egypt). Canadian Paul 14:06, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
  • @Canadian Paul: so does this work better for you:
  • ALT1a: ... that two athletes marched under the Egyptian banner at what historians consider the first-ever Olympic opening ceremony in 1906? Yoninah (talk) 19:13, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Might want to swap "at what historians consider" with "what contemporary sources considered" or "what was then considered", as that's backed up by the second citation as well. Canadian Paul 21:09, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
  • OK:
  • ALT2: ... that two athletes marched under the Egyptian banner at what contemporary sources considered the first-ever Olympic opening ceremony in 1906? Yoninah (talk) 21:43, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Works for me now. Thanks! Canadian Paul 13:29, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg ALT2 is acceptable, the hook facts being cited inline. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:23, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 19[edit]

Kimberley Kitching

Created by Callanecc (talk). Self-nominated at 10:09, 19 October 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough and old enough. The source for the Royal Commission claim says that criminal charges were recommended, not that she was questioned there. Sources #13, #16 and #17 are tripping me up at finding the claims, are they in some sentences there? I can't help but notice that a number of sources are highly critical and some are marked as opinion pieces (#12), none of that is in the article which is probably a good thing. No copyvio or plagiarism noticeable. Hook is reliably sourced, short enough, moderately "hooking" and sourced inline. QPQ is done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:51, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
  • I've added another source for the Royal Commission (which is a transcript of her testimony) as well as the bit about the Fair Work Commission.
I've broadened the bit about Melbourne Council to make it fit into what the two sources say (which is basically that she was involved in the council at that period). It was based on an offline source, which I didn't cite.
Generally, sources seem to be pretty critical, the only thing that opinion piece (#12) is supporting is that she left the HSU a few years later (which probably doesn't need a source, given that she isn't there now). Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 07:15, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg How does this hook meet the "interesting" criterion? Can nothing better be found? Edwardx (talk) 22:39, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
  • @Edwardx: Any suggestions? Maybe something like, "that the Australian Labor Party has selected Kimberley Kitching as the new senator for Victoria to replace Stephen Conroy". Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 07:15, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Not much better. I don't think it will be easy to find an interesting statement here, unfortunately. I also think that the In 2015 a Vice President of the Fair Work Commission found that Kitching had illegally completed testing on behalf of other union officials to gain right of entry permits. needs to be dropped entirely as a) it's fairly close to the text of the source (although it may fall under the scope of WP:LIMITED) and b) the source isn't referencing the Vice President directly, but rather Eric Abetz who in turn referenced the Vice President, and some of the statements in that article make me wonder if it is reliable. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:46, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
  • I agree with Jo-Jo Eumerus. None of the hook suggestions so far are "interesting". Edwardx (talk) 21:33, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to try to help out with the hook, but I find the article incredibly hard to read, as it jumps back and forth chronologically. Moreover, nothing is said of her early life or education. After the lead, could you put things in clear, encyclopedic order? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 22:44, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Callanecc, you have not responded to the most recent comments here about issues with the hooks and article, and a mid-November notification to your talk page has been archived without any action. We need to hear from you by the end of this month. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:37, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Raheem Kassam

Created by Sheepy Shoo (talk). Self-nominated at 15:23, 19 October 2016 (UTC).

  • General eligiblity:
  • New Enough: Green tickY
  • Long Enough: Red XN - It's long enough, but it can't be a stub for DYK. Please remove the stub template. You can make it look like an article and not a stub, if you introduce subheadings, and repeat the header (and expand it a little?) in the body of the article. Subheadings could refer to background, previous posts, current posts, recent issues and policy, etc.

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - As the article stands at present, it's ref 7 (not ref 5) which supports the hook. Please put the correct ref next to the "make UKIP great" quote in the article.
  • Interesting: Green tickY

Image eligibility:

  • Freely licensed: Red XN - The image filepage says that the author has sent the uploader (who is also the creator of the article) the image with the information that it can be used freely as per the licence on that page. However no evidence has been sent to WP yet to back up this information.
  • Used in article: Green tickY
  • Clear at 100px: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Two wikilinks need correction: "The Commentator" (links to Averroes), and "Labour Party" (links to disambig). You don't need yet another Breitbart link in the External Links section; it's already in the refs. Storye book (talk) 10:34, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Just to comment, this DYK if approved would have to be delayed beyond November 28th when the new UKIP leader is announced per our rules on election campaigns. Cowlibob (talk) 13:17, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Thank you for the heads up on that, Cowlibob. I should like to add that on second thoughts I am not comfortable about the several links to the website Breitbart in the article; I would like a second opinion on that before passing this nom.Storye book (talk) 14:45, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
@Storye book: Also I've made several edits to fix some of the contentious parts of this article, so please check this. Have replaced links to Breitbart to more reliable sources. Added a couple of "citation needed" as really date of birth should be cited for biography of a living person and also their religious affliation or lack of. Linking to unreliable sources such as Breitbart is not completely banned they can be used for uncontentious things like him being the editor in chief of the website for example.Cowlibob (talk) 01:52, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Thank you, Cowlibob, for the replacement refs; a wise decision. Your edits are fine. There remain several problems: (1) The article now has 1432 characters; less than the 1500 required for DYK. (2) I have checked the England and Wales birth registration list for 1986, and it records no-one by that exact name for that year. It may be that he was born elsewhere, born in another year, or was registered under another name. Is there a source for 1 August 1986? (3) The image filepage says that the author has sent the uploader (who is also the creator of the article) the image with the information that it can be used freely as per the licence on that page. However no evidence has been sent to WP yet to back up this information. Conclusion: Problems 1 and 3 will have to be addressed if this hook and image are both to make DYK. I believe that problem 2 will not prevent a DYK pass, but perhaps a mystery like this, associated with a public figure, is worth either resolving or drawing attention to?Storye book (talk) 11:43, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Someone has replaced perfectly reliable Breitbart with completely unreliable, corrupt, mainstream media sources like "The Guardian". Are there still some primitive, pre-Brexit cavepeople from the stone age who still believe these disproven sources reliable and Breitbart not!?! I would like to see them replaced. The reliability of the entire article is severely damaged removing the Breitbart sources. Sheepy Shoo (talk) 23:39, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
  • The purpose of this review process is to support this DYK nomination. One of the means of supporting it is to see that it has acceptable sources. Please do not undermine or delay the process with political controversy. Thank you. Storye book (talk) 23:59, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
  • My apologies but acceptable to who? Fox News? CNN? The Saudis? I would suggest those three words under the logo that say "The Free Encyclopedia" should be changed. This place has no free speech and is just as controlled as the rest! Sheepy Shoo (talk) 23:27, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
  • @Sheepy Shoo: This nomination template is not the place for political controversy. Please stop distracting and delaying this nomination. This is the second time I have asked you. Thank you. Storye book (talk) 11:15, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg The article is now long enough. Unfortunately, (1) It now contains strongly controversial material which in my opinion is sufficiently challenging to prevent it from being linked to the front page in DYK. (2) The image file is now tagged for deletion. (3) Point 3 is not a deal-breaker for DYK, but the situation remains that the article does not currently contain evidence that Kassam is who he say he is. I am not questioning that he was born in London in 1986, however there is no birth certificate listed under his name for that year. Therefore it is likely that his birth was registered under another name. If the article were to be linked to the front page in DYK, that question is likely to be raised. On grounds 1 and 2, I am concluding my review with a No.Storye book (talk) 11:15, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
??? What "strongly controversial material"? Some mild bitching about other candidates, which is completely standard for UKIP. Your OR about his birth (strangely recalling Trump's campaign re Obama) can be sorted by an "according to". Suggest another reviewer Johnbod (talk) 02:55, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
  • You are very welcome, Johnbod, to another reviewer. Good idea. Meanwhile I am not saying that Kassam's comments (which are properly referenced) should not be in the article - after all, the article is biographical, and the quotations help to demonstrate who and what he is. However, there is a saying that "he who repeats the insult is the one who is insulting you," and linking that material to the front page of Wikipedia might be perceived as Wikipedia promoting those insults. Yes I was aware of the Trump "birther" movement, but if Obama's certificate had to be ultimately released, then the certificate and its index listing cannot have been already freely available to the US public - and it's the inability to check facts which often starts such conspiracy theories. In the UK, if someone gives their correct name and approximate year of birth, it is possible to link (or at least copy) the index listing and its volume and page numbers as a WP citation. Such a citation is likely to be acceptable without seeing the actual certificate, if the name is unusual enough so that no similar names appear on the index during the years under consideration. It is not OR to say that there is no such name as Raheem Kassam listed for 1986, or for a few years before and after. Anyone can check that. I made it clear that I do not dispute the date and place of birth - we are not talking about citizenship here (as Trump was). We are talking about whether the person concerned is who he says he is. Unlike Trump, it does not interest me if Kassam is not who he say he is. But because he is running a campaign which is directed towards ultimate public office, it would be valid for readers to ask whether he is who he says he is. That is to say, it draws attention to the fact that there is something in the article which begs a question. But as I have already said, such a question does not affect DYK. By the way, you forgot to mention the fact that the image is tagged for deletion. Storye book (talk) 10:43, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg I don't think this is unsalvageable as Storye book makes it out to be. There are some issues, however. Given the nature of the UKIP, and of political parties in general, I think Kassam's campaign page should be avoided as a source altogether, and the content cited to that should be removed or another source found. The article and the hook are fine without that information, and it is perfectly acceptable to have a biography without a date of birth. Other neutrality issues: the article gives him more credit for Davies' resignation than the source does, and "Farage refuted..." is a glaring misuse of Wikipedia's voice, because the sources do not say that. Otherwise, article is new enough and long enough, and does not have copyright issues. No image to consider. Hook is cited inline, supported by the sources. And no QPQ is required. I think the birth certificate is a non-issue. If the sources treat him as a real person, then Wikipedia shall, too: unless, of course, you find a reliable source actually questioning his claim of identity. That's a different issue altogether. Vanamonde (talk) 05:17, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

And any supposed controversy/topicality has greatly diminished now someone else has been elected leader. Johnbod (talk) 05:22, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I agree that this nom should have another shot now that the situation has changed (image removed, leader elected), and I agree that the issues mentioned by Vanamonde93 need to be addressed. Good luck. Storye book (talk) 10:55, 30 November 2016 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on October 20[edit]

Just Cause 2

Improved to Good Article status by AdrianGamer (talk). Self-nominated at 16:12, 24 October 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Unless I'm missing something, it doesn't appear that the article explicitly mentions this, nor does the source given, but I'm sure this can be easily fixed. Other than that, the remaining QPQ criteria has been met, including amount of time since becoming a Good Article, and neutrality. Also, the QPQ should be finished--12george1 (talk) 21:44, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
@12george1: Thanks for the review! I have fixed the issue. AdrianGamer (talk) 03:52, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg This nomination seems to have stalled so I will start again. The article is a newly promoted GA and is long enough and nominated soon enough. The hook fact is now cited inline, the article is neutral, and neither Earwig nor I found evidence of copyright issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:01, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Dolly's Brae conflict

Created/expanded by EricthePinko (talk). Self-nominated at 16:29, 22 October 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough and long enough. It has adequate inline citations. However, the hook needs to be verified. The only online source in the article is not adequate for verification. Arius1998 (talk) 01:03, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
    • This should do it pp. 253-54: link Please let me know if not. EricthePinko (talk) 22:35, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
    • Symbol voting keep.svg Hook is simple enough and verified as per request (despite the requirement of special access to the file presented). I think this is adequate enough for DYK. Keep it up. Arius1998 (talk) 06:55, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
    • Great. Cheers for reviewing my entry btw!
  • Symbol question.svg Several paragraphs lack any cites at all, per Rule D2. Yoninah (talk) 20:49, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Does background info need citations? Other than that I can only see one paragraph without citations, the first paragraph in the aftermath section.EricthePinko (talk) 22:27, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Verifiability is one of the pillars of Wikipedia. You could add cites from the relevant articles on the background history. Yoninah (talk) 22:41, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Reconsidering this review, I did notice that there has not been much improvement in citations since a week ago. Please improve the overall composition of the article so as to suffice the needed citations, especially for the hook to be displayed. The red links, if any, should be corrected as well. Thanks for the heads up, Yoninah. Arius1998 (talk) 00:21, 30 October 2016 (UTC)



Death of Irene Garza

  • ... that the death of Irene Garza is an unresolved 1960 murder case involving a Texas beauty queen?

Created by EricEnfermero (talk). Self-nominated at 05:00, 21 October 2016 (UTC).

  • The article is new: Green tickY
  • The article is long enough: Green tickY
  • The hook is interesting: Green tickY
  • The hook is referenced: Green tickY
  • The hook is below 200 characters: Green tickY
  • A google search does not reveal any copyright violation: Green tickY
  • The article follows most other important policies: Green tickY
  • QPQ: Green tickY
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is good to go. Cambalachero (talk) 15:40, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Could we jazz up the hook?
  • ALT1: ... that the priest who heard the last confession of Texas beauty queen Irene Garza is the only suspect in her 1960 death?
  • ALT2: ... that the priest who heard the last confession of Texas beauty queen Irene Garza is suspected of killing her? Yoninah (talk) 18:53, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
  • I thought about that but wasn't sure about the BLP unduly negative thing. I'll defer to your discretion on that. Thanks for looking at it. EricEnfermero (Talk) 21:42, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Well, he has been arrested and is going to trial. Calling on another reviewer to look at the alts. Yoninah (talk) 22:09, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
  • I prefer the original hook, as it is focused on the case itself rather than in either of the people involved, who are otherwise not notable. Cambalachero (talk) 13:09, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
  • The murder suspect is not notable??? Be that as it may, the first hook is a statement of fact, not a hook. Yoninah (talk) 22:16, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 21[edit]

Abzurdah (book)

Argentine writer Cielo Latini
Argentine writer Cielo Latini

5x expanded by Cambalachero (talk). Self-nominated at 15:47, 21 October 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg The article has been fivefold expanded (from 317 to 1838, more than the 1585 needed), cites sources and within policy, is neutral, the hook is accurate and cited and QPQ is provided. The image is free, used in the article and show up well at small size (100 × 100px). Good to go. Javier Espinoza (talk) 00:39, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Comment: This was a double nomination, for both the book and the author, but someone passed by and removed the bold of the author link. Both articles have to be reviewed. Cambalachero (talk) 02:03, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

::Symbol question.svg As for the Cielo Latini article, it is new and long enough, neutral and but the paragraph were the book is mentioned does not have a reference, can you add one?. Also, you have to review another article, (as it is 1 per nomination) and then we will be ready to go. Javier Espinoza (talk) 20:11, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Cambalachero (talk) 00:27, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg I think is good to go. Javier Espinoza (talk) 01:22, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I think the hook lacks interest. Yoninah (talk) 20:34, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  • It's a book with a film adaption. Which is exactly the problem? Cambalachero (talk) 17:57, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
  • @Cambalachero: How many clicks do you think this will get? If you think the film adaptation is hooky, then readers will probably click on that link, instead. What do you think about this alt? (though the last words aren't grammatical in English. I can't read the source; perhaps you can explain what "made an apology of anorexia" means. Could it be that the book "was apologetic about anorexia"?):
  • ALT1: ... that some reviewers of the 2006 Argentine book Abzurdah by Cielo Latini felt that it made an apology of anorexia?
  • Regarding the article Cielo Latini, it is not clear at all which film(s) you are discussing in the first sentences of the fourth paragraph under Biography. Yoninah (talk) 19:19, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Fixed. The second hook seems fine for me. Cambalachero (talk) 13:05, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
  • @Cambalachero: Thank you for fixing the text in Cielo Latini. Regarding the ALT1 hook, as I said, "making an apology of anorexia" is not correct English. Do you mean:
  • ALT1a: ... that some reviewers of the 2006 Argentine book Abzurdah by Cielo Latini (pictured) felt it was apologetic about anorexia? Yoninah (talk) 22:14, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
  • ...and is this what it states in the foreign-language source? Yoninah (talk) 22:14, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

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  • Yes. The reporter asked: "El libro generó una polémica: para algunos era un diagnóstico inteligente, mientras que otros sostenían que hacía apología de la anorexia. ¿Cómo te paraste frente a eso?". Cielo Latini replied "Si vos empezás a leer un libro sobre anorexia y te volvés anoréxica, algo tenías latente. No es que yo te convencí. Yo soy sólo una chica. No puedo impulsar a nadie a que tenga una enfermedad. No es un estilo de vida, es una enfermedad. Si alguien se confundió leyendo el libro, no es mi responsabilidad. Por leer a Agatha Christie no voy a salir a los tiros."
  • Translation. The reporter asked "the book started a controversy: for some people it was an intelligent diagnosis, while others thought that it was apologetic of anorexia. How did you react to that?". She replied: "If you start reading a book about anorexia and become anorexic, you already had something latent. It is not that I convinced you. I'm just a girl. I can not influence someone into getting a disorder. It is not a lifestyle, it is a disorder. If someone got confused by reading the book, it is not up to me. I'm not going to start shooting after reading Agatha Christie". Cambalachero (talk) 13:07, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Great, thanks! Since I wrote ALT1a, calling on new reviewer to sign off on this nomination. Yoninah (talk) 19:19, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg Though a little puzzling, and therefore hooky, ALT1a seems good to me. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:32, 14 November 2016 (UTC)


Joseph Harmatz

  • ... that a plot to poison 12,000 SS officers held as POWs after World War II was led by Joseph Harmatz, part of a revenge effort "to kill six million Germans, one for every Jew slaughtered by the Germans"? Source: Joseph Harmatz, Who Led Jewish Plot to Kill Germans After World War II, Dies at 91 - "Investigators in Nuremberg, Germany, examined the hiding place where arsenic was found in 1946 in a bakery that supplied captured SS officers.... Led by 21-year-old Joseph Harmatz, a survivor of the Vilnius ghetto in Lithuania, the plotters sickened more than 2,200 German prisoners, inducing vomiting and other symptoms of cholera. Their weapons were 3,000 loaves of black bread, which had been painted with a mixture of arsenic and glue at a bakery that had been infiltrated by one of the group.... “Our ultimate intention was to kill six million Germans, one for every Jew slaughtered by the Germans,” Mr. Harmatz told The Observer of Britain in 1998. “Would the British and Americans ever have bombed Dresden if the Germans had not bombed Coventry? It was revenge, quite simply. Were we not entitled to our revenge, too?”
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link], or briefly cite, the source)

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self-nominated at 20:57, 21 October 2016 (UTC).

  • I have an issue with "led". First, the article we have does not mention that. Second, the events are described in many more details in other sources and they do not collaborate the half-sentence from the current NYT article. The sources mention Lebke Distel (who actually got the job in bakery), Pinchas Ben-Tzur (who was one of 3 people putting the poison on the bread), Vitka Kempner (who was involved in getting the poison), but none of them are highlighted as "leader". Harmatz was "involved" but I cannot find any specifics on his actual role (other than roommate of Distel). The only thing that paints him as leader is his own interview in 1998. Renata (talk) 02:36, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Renata3, you say "I have an issue with 'led'. First, the article we have does not mention that."
    The title of the source used in this article (and for the DYK hook) from The New York Times is "Joseph Harmatz, Who Led Jewish Plot to Kill Germans After World War II, Dies at 91". The article states "The second scheme was not a complete failure, however. Led by 21-year-old Joseph Harmatz, a survivor of the Vilnius ghetto in Lithuania, the plotters sickened more than 2,200 German prisoners, inducing vomiting and other symptoms of cholera." There's plenty of room to add further details, but the statement is made based on a rather clear statement in a rather reliable source. The article "Joseph Harmatz, Jewish 'Avenger' – obituary" in The Telegraph describes him as "...the chief planner of a more ambitious plot, aimed at Stalag 13, a detention centre for former SS men near Nuremberg." "Joseph Harmatz, part of Jewish 'Avengers', dead at 91" in the Chicago Tribune states that "It came on Apr. 13, 1946, when three members spent two hours coating some 3,000 loaves of bread with arsenic, divided into four portions. The goal was to kill 12,000 SS personnel, and Harmatz oversaw the operation from outside the bakery."
    I reviewed other articles, both in Wikipedia and outside it, and I'm not sure where you see information that conflicts with the claim of his role as leader; one can have led the plot without having been the one who obtained the poison or added it to the bread. Alansohn (talk) 03:25, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
  • You are citing all recent obituaries. Modern press, unfortunately, is notorious for churnalism, little-to-zero fact-checking, and chasing clicks with sultry headlines. The Avengers: A Jewish War Story, a whole book dedicated to Nakam, mentions Harmatz a grand total of 2 times. I spent almost an hour searching for non-journalist sources to back up "leader" and came up empty. If he was really the leader, shouldn't it be extra easy to verify? Shouldn't he be mentioned more often in works about the event (and not works about him)? Renata (talk) 03:41, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Renata3, to address your concerns above:
    "Churnalism, little-to-zero fact-checking, and chasing clicks with sultry headlines"? You're talking about The New York Times, Chicago Tribune and The Telegraph, which rank among the most reliable of reliable sources.
    "You are citing all recent obituaries"?!? The article already provides sources from 1998 and 2008, and there's "A Final Mission" from Newsweek in 2000 -- about the mission itself -- which states that "After spending several months in the bakery, Lebke told Joseph Harmatz, 'If you want to go ahead with the mission, fine. But do it soon.' Living in Germany, working with the enemy, leading this phony life--it was destroying him. Harmatz announced the date: Saturday, April 13, 1946."
    "If he was really the leader, shouldn't it be extra easy to verify?" I've provided a half-dozen strong reliable and verifiable sources covering almost two decades that each make that exact claim that Harmatz was the leader of the plot.
    I'm not sure what more I could provide here to back up the rather explicit claim in both the article and the hook and I'm mot sure what change to the hook would be satisfactory to you under these circumstances, where you're denying the validity of an overwhelming array of solid references. Alansohn (talk) 04:28, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Yes, I am dealing with vague, inaccurate, misleading, or out-right wrong churnalists all the time. Anyway, I am ok with "involved", not ok with "led" as being a leader of smth is a strong claim and that he is not mentioned in a book dedicated to the group is a HUGE red flag. Passing mentions in newspaper articles are not convincing me. Renata (talk) 05:19, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
  • HELP!?!? Can an uninvolved editor help with this nomination? I'm dealing here with a reviewer who is characterizing six different sources from major international reliable and verifiable sources, all of which characterize Harmatz as leader, as "Passing mentions in newspaper articles" from "vague, inaccurate, misleading, or out-right wrong churnalists". There are six separate sources, provided in the article and as part of this discussion that all explicitly describe Harmatz as the leader of the plot to poison thousands of SS POWs. To wave off an article from The New York Times with the title "Joseph Harmatz, Who Led Jewish Plot to Kill Germans After World War II, Dies at 91" -- that states "The second scheme was not a complete failure, however. Led by 21-year-old Joseph Harmatz, a survivor of the Vilnius ghetto in Lithuania, the plotters sickened more than 2,200 German prisoners, inducing vomiting and other symptoms of cholera." -- and misrepresenting this as a "passing mention" by a "churnalist" is patently wrong. Alansohn (talk) 15:24, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────*Symbol question.svg I find it hard to believe that Renata3 is questioning a fact that made it into The New York Times, The Guardian, and Associated Press. Most Wikipedia editors would be on Cloud 9 if they found even one of these reliable sources to verify their articles. The hook fact is clearly verified by these sources:

  • The NY Times says: "The second scheme was not a complete failure, however. Led by 21-year-old Joseph Harmatz, a survivor of the Vilnius ghetto in Lithuania, the plotters sickened more than 2,200 German prisoners, inducing vomiting and other symptoms of cholera."
  • The AP says: "Harmatz oversaw the operation from outside the bakery"
  • JWeekly says: "Harmatz took over the Din leadership. ... One Saturday night in April 1945, members of Din broke into the Stalag 13 camp at Nuremberg and, with an artist's brush, Harmatz painted 3,000 loaves of black bread with poison."
  • Here is a full review: New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. QPQ done. However, I feel that the hook is too heavy with facts, and the quote is referring to the goal of the Nakam organization. I suggest tightening the hook to focus on Harmatz and his plan. Yoninah (talk) 17:18, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Renata3's got it backwards. Within RS's, recent sources with all the evidence in are preferable to those closer in time to the event. ALT0's "led" is appropriate. EEng 17:55, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
@Alansohn: This nomination seems to have stalled. Would you like to suggest another hook as per Yoninah's request. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:20, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
Cwmhiraeth, I hadn't realized that this was still an issue. Give me a day or two to work on an alternative. Alansohn (talk) 13:56, 25 November 2016 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on October 23[edit]

Neues Geistliches Lied

  • ... that Neues Geistliches Lied, a genre of contemporary songs for use at church, was performed by around 1895 choirs and bands in German dioceses in 2001? [9]

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 13:36, 30 October 2016 (UTC).

--DYKReviewBot (report bugs) 20:37, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Length, date, hook checks out. QPQ done. Close paraphrase not found. There is a merge tag, which should be removed before promotion, but I'd say that it is quite clear-cut to say that the German genre is distinct from Anglo-Saxon-dominated genres. --Soman (talk) 04:37, 28 November 2016 (UTC)



Cizhou ware

Pillow in the form of a reclining girl, Jin dynasty
Pillow in the form of a reclining girl, Jin dynasty
  • ... that Cizhou ware was a popular ceramic not used by the Chinese Imperial court, and often made as ceramic pillows (example pictured)? Valenstein; Vainker, S.J., Chinese Pottery and Porcelain, pp. 115-116, 1991, British Museum Press, 9780714114705

5x expanded by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 17:07, 25 October 2016 (UTC).

--DYKReviewBot (report bugs) 20:32, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The hook facts have inline citations, the image is appropriately licensed, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:26, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
ALT1: Since the article has been sitting reviewed but unpromoted for two weeks, I think a slight rewording of the hook would be better: ... that Cizhou ware was popular pottery not used by the Chinese Imperial court, and often made as ceramic pillows (example pictured)? (changing "a popular ceramic" to "popular pottery", avoiding repetition of ceramic etc.) No re-review should be necessary. Johnbod (talk) 14:50, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


Zarma people

Zarma people of Niger
Zarma people of Niger
  • ... that the Zarma people are one of West African ethnic groups with a history of slavery and caste system?
    Source: "Probably the best-known study of endogamous specialist groups in West Africa is that of Tamari. (...) she broadens these to consider ethnographic and historical sources on caste hierarchies stretching from Mauritania to Niger. (...) In the map produced by Tamari, the majority of caste groups occur in the western half (...) as well as a continuous belt along the Niger River corresponding to the Songhai-Zarma group. (...)" (1 Anne Haour (2013), Oxford University Press)
    Source: "Under these circumstances, indeed, ruling families, lineages or larger social groups were trying hard to capture peasantries or develop systems of property rights in human beings (such as corvee or slavery). Yet, the very fact that societies stratified along caste lines - and not only along the usual age-sex lines - were limited to certain parts of sub-Saharan Africa (well known examples are the Hausa and the Songhai-Zarma in the Niger and Mali (...)" (2)
    Source: "The traditional form of caste-based servitude was still practiced by the Tuareg, Zarma and Arab ethnic minorities." (3)
    Source: "Noblemen, slaves and castes in traditional Songhay society. According to De Sardan (1984) in Les Societes Songhay-Zarma Niger-Mali relationships between slaves and nobles (...)" (4)

5x expanded by Ms Sarah Welch (talk). Self-nominated at 15:03, 24 October 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Fivefold expansion and long enough, hook is interesting and referenced, no neutrality issues detected, and QPQ is done. Good to go. KAVEBEAR (talk) 16:59, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg@Ms Sarah Welch: you have so much detail in this article, couldn't you come up with a hookier hook? Yoninah (talk) 02:05, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT1: ... that the typical huts of the West African ethnic group Zarma people are round?
  • ALT2: ... that the Zarma people build round huts with conical thatched roofs?
  • @Yoninah: are these more hooky? As always, I am open to alternate suggestions and collaboration. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 12:32, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
  • @Ms Sarah Welch: Native tribes living in round huts really isn't so unusual to the average person's mind. Let's pursue the social stratification issue.
  • ALT3: ... that the Zarma people divide themselves into strict social strata, including kings and warriors, scribes, artisans, hunters, fishermen, leather workers, hairdressers, and slaves?
  • ALT4: ... that in the stratified social system of the Zarma people, the lowest strata inherited slavery? Yoninah (talk) 22:37, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: ALT3 and ALT4 are ok with me, and the sources.
  • ALT4a: ... that in the stratified social system of the African Zarma people, the lowest stratum inherited slavery?
  • ALT4b: ... that in the stratified and endogamous social system of the African Zarma people, the lowest strata inherited slavery?
I like ALT4, ALT4a and ALT4b more than ALT3. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 00:43, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thank you. Your ALT4a is an improvement on my ALT4. Calling for new reviewer for ALT4a and ALT4b. Yoninah (talk) 09:58, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg Approving Alt4a (I think we can do without "endogamy" in the hook) as being interesting and having an inline citation. I have altered "strata" to "stratum", its singular form. Feel free to change this back if inappropriate. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:49, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

José Antonio Raón y Gutiérrez

Created by Arius1998 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:16, 24 October 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg As for the ALT0, the article is new and long enough, within policy, neutral, cites sources with inline citations, and it is interesting, the hook is referenced and QPQ is provided. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:28, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed to review pre-existing ALT1; original hook has been struck as being far too long for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:45, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
ALT2 is 174 characters long, which is 26 characters underneath the 200 character hook limit. That said the sentence in the article is referenced to kahimyang.com which is in its about section a

This site is owned and maintained by a small group of people led by Primo Esteria. We are based in Pennsylvania (US) and in Northern Samar (Philippines).

This is no garuntee that it meets WP:IRS, and may fall under WP:SPS. Please provide a better reference.Symbol question.svg--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 22:36, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
Found a reliable source for you @Arius1998:: Census of the Philippine Islands: Taken Under the Direction of the Philippine Commission in the Year 1903, in Four Volumes ... U.S. Government Printing Office. 1905. p. 322.  . Hope this helps.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:00, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. The recommended reference has been added. Arius1998 (talk) 23:56, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset:, can this count as a review for a future DYK QPQ? I had already done one in for my current DYK nomination.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:54, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
  • RightCowLeftCoast, sure, once you finish the review. Given the issues with the original review, you should probably recheck things like neutrality and close paraphrasing as part of the process. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:42, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
  • This is a new review of the article
New: Article was started on 20 October, and this DYK was submitted on 23 October. At that time the article was 3,749 characters long.Green tickY
Long Enough: Article 23 October exceeds 1,500 characters.Green tickY
Within Policy: Article appears to be neutral.Green tickY
It also does cite sources using inline citations; however, I am considered about the use of a self-published source as there is a book published by AuthorHouse used as a source in this article. Also the website Kahimyang Project, is of questionable merit when judged against WP:IRS. Both of these sources of these source are used four times in the article (as it stands today). Additionally, there article uses a source published by a publishing house calling itself the "Library of Alexandria"; if you look at its own description on Facebook, it too looks like it falls under WP:SPS.Red XN
Copy Vio checker only detects a 16.7% rating, so that isn't an issue IMHO.Green tickY
Format: ALT1 is under 100 characters, and ALT2 is under 150 characters (without spaces).Green tickY
Content: ALT2 is more interesting IMHO than ALT1, whether it is interesting to a "broad audience" is a matter up for debate. However, I believe it could be argued that ALT2 is interesting to a "broad audience".Green tickY
ALT1 is cited to this Tagalog website. ALT2 is cited to one questionable source, but another source from the United States Government Publishing Office.Green tickY
This article is not about a WP:BLP, or focus on negative aspects (unless someone was exposed to the past expulsion of Jesuits from Spanish territories).Green tickY
QPQ: Submitter claim of reviewing another DYK nomination has been confirmed.Green tickY
Image: No image submitted with this DYK nomination
Summary While this article is borderline of receiving a DYKtickAGF mark, due to issues with usages of SPS sources in this article I must give this DYK Nominitation a non-passing rating. Please resolve the issues and perhaps this DYK Nomination might yet pass. Symbol question.svg.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 07:14, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
I hope the issues have been resolved with the removal of the SPS sources.Arius1998 (talk) 07:26, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
@Arius1998: Please provide a reference for the last sentence of the second paragraph of the Governor General of the Philippines section. Overall, that second section could use more in-line sources.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:01, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
Please review the article again. I hope it is sufficient for DYK.Arius1998 (talk) 02:04, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
I see nothing in the source provided that verifies anything on this "Manila Consulate" or where that quoted organization existed specifically.Symbol question.svg--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 02:10, 2 December 2016 (UTC)




Articles created/expanded on October 24[edit]

Corruption in Angola

5x expanded by DaltonCastle (talk). Self-nominated at 01:18, 27 October 2016 (UTC).

  • Comment: the high copyvio percentage is almost exclusively the long names of organizations or laws, or, on a handful of occasions, quotations I attribute.
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Nice article but unfortunately it was not five-time expanded. This revision is what the article was like before you started expanding. It was 4791 characters. The current version is 19582 characters long. 4791x5 = 23995. You need to expand the article by a further 4413 characters for it to be compliant with DYK rules. — Yellow Dingo (talk) 07:14, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Oh no! I missed that! I'll try to add some other content to make it meet requirements. DaltonCastle (talk) 18:01, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Nice, DaltonCastle, the article has reached a 5x expansion now. (Currently 24750 characters, which is 755 characters over what was required. Heres my full review

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - Yes for ALT0, ALT1 and ALT 2 but no for ALT3 (I couldn't find any mention in the source) and no for ALT4 (source doesn't back up hook)
  • Interesting: Red XN - ALT0 and ALT2 are my preferred on the interest front.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg — Yellow Dingo (talk) 06:07, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

  • ALT0: Someone's daughter can't be an "entity". EEng 07:32, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
    True. — Yellow Dingo (talk) 07:46, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
    • "Corrupt individuals and organizations". Done. DaltonCastle (talk) 23:53, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Bhaktha Sri Thyagaraja

Created/expanded by Uksharma3 (talk). Nominated by Kailash29792 (talk) at 10:24, 24 October 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Size stands at 1429 chars. Vensatry (talk) 08:42, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
I believe there is no other exceptional claim about the film in the Hindu source, so we'll go with this. Kailash29792 (talk) 06:04, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Not sure you got my point. For an article to appear at DYK, it's size must be greater than or equal to 1500 chars. Vensatry (talk) 08:43, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
I have expanded it a bit further. Please see if it fits the criteria now. Kailash29792 (talk) 07:09, 5 November 2016 (UTC)


Josh White (racing driver)

  • ... that Josh White is the first U.S. Marine to compete in a NASCAR national series race?
  • ALT1 (as modified in prep): ... that Josh White is the first U.S. Marine to compete in a NASCAR national series race since 1966?

Moved to mainspace by ZappaOMati (talk). Self-nominated at 01:59, 26 October 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough (moved into main space on 25 October, nominated 26 October), and long enough (3030 characters). Could you find different word for "joyride" in the first para under "Racing career", as that has criminal and therefore negative connotations. Other than that it is neutrally worded, uses in-line citations, and has no copyright violations. The hook is correctly formatted, is short enough (84 characters), and is interesting. Ref3 supports the hook but needs to be added to the end of the appropriate sentence rather than just at the end of the paragraph please. QPQ is needed. It is otherwise looking good. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 18:29, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Thank you for the corrections and the QPQ, this is now good to go, Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 12:03, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but was wondering what are the sources for the information in the charts? Yoninah (talk) 00:18, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Typically, those aren't provided directly in the tables themselves (it's a pretty accepted thing among NASCAR editors), but if you would prefer them anyway, I have added them. Zappa24Mati 04:54, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
  • And just a comment/request: I'd prefer getting this out on November 10th since that's the 241st birthday of the Marine Corps. Zappa24Mati 06:13, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Thanks for the cites. Restoring tick per Gaia Octavia Agrippa's review. Yoninah (talk) 11:19, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have just pulled this from Prep 1, where nominator ZappaOMati had modified the hook by adding the words "since 1966" to it. Apparently new facts have arisen that call into question that White was the first (Larry Frank is the new "first"); the article has been modified accordingly. When I took a look at the original source about White's "first", which has shown itself to be flawed, I discovered that it was a press release from the racing team sponsoring White, hardly a reliable secondary source for NASCAR history where Marines are concerned, especially since they appear to be wrong in this case. I think this new hook needs a proper review, along with its sources. I'll be posting a note on the DYK talk page so this gets more eyeballs; it may be possible that a proper review can be done and any issues cleared up in time to manage the special occasion request. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:03, 9 November 2016 (UTC)



Articles created/expanded on October 25[edit]

Angola at the Lusophony Games

5x expanded by Yellow Dingo (talk). Self-nominated at 11:00, 25 October 2016 (UTC).

  • YesY Article is new enough (expansion started 25 October, nominated on same day), expanded enough (53 characters excluding table to 3871 characters), and article is within policy. I believe that sentences such as "The first Lusophony Games was" are grammatically correct in American English (in British English it would be "The first Lusophony Games were"), if not then please notify me.
  • YesY I strongly prefer ALT1, as it's shorter, and the Lusophony Games are explained in this article anyway. Hook is short enough, interesting, and supported by [10].
  • YesY QPQ done.
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Overall, this nomination passes, congratulations. Joseph2302 20:46, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment: 11 November is Angolan Independence Day- might be an idea to run this nomination on that day? Yellow Dingo what do you think? Joseph2302 20:46, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
    • @Joseph2302: Thanks for the review. And yes, I've moved it to the special holding are for the Independence day. — Yellow Dingo (talk) 00:29, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg Reopened, hook is unverifiable in reliable sources, as explained at WT:DYK#Prep 2 (Angola). Fram (talk) 10:20, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

— Yellow Dingo (talk) 06:18, 14 November 2016 (UTC)




XGRS

  • ... that XGRS was a Nazi-operated radio station in Shanghai during World War II?
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link], or briefly cite, the source)

Created by LavaBaron (talk). Self-nominated at 06:29, 26 October 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Although new enough, this is still too small at 1292 characters. Also linking German Government to Nazi Party is a bit tricky in the hook. Don't we have abetter article on the government at that time to link to? QPQ was OK, Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:30, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, Graeme Bartlett. I'm never sure how to count the characters correctly. I bulked it up. I changed the redirect from Nazi Party to Nazi Germany. LavaBaron (talk) 08:03, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Now long enough, but per DYK rules, if we're going to use this hook then the sentence containing the hook claim (in the article, the phrase "owned and operated by the German government during World War II") needs to have its own footnote (possibly re-using one of the existing footnotes). —David Eppstein (talk) 00:02, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on October 26[edit]

Rudraveena (film)

5x expanded by Pavanjandhyala (talk). Self-nominated at 16:37, 2 November 2016 (UTC).

Update — The article has passed its good article review on 15:51, 1 December 2016 (UTC). Pavanjandhyala (talk) 18:03, 1 December 2016 (UTC)





Articles created/expanded on October 27[edit]

72nd Street (Second Avenue Subway), 86th Street (Second Avenue Subway), 96th Street (Second Avenue Subway)

  • Reviewed 1/3: Paul Nahaolelua
  • Reviewed 2/3: TBD
  • Reviewed 3/3: TBD
  • Comment: 3 QPQs to be done as the week (or two weeks) progresses. (Also, today is the New York City Subway's 112th birthday. Who knew?)

Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk) and Kew Gardens 613 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:25, 27 October 2016 (UTC).

Review of 86th Street (Second Avenue Subway)
Review of 96th Street (Second Avenue Subway)
Review of 72nd Street (Second Avenue Subway)
General comments

--DYKReviewBot (report bugs) 22:43, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

  • Symbol voting keep.svg: The hook is sourced and the articles are long enough. pbp 22:43, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg A full review is still needed: the articles must be reviewed against all of the DYK criteria, including neutrality and close paraphrasing/copyvio (independently of the GA review), and since all three QPQ reviews have not yet been completed, the tick should not have been used. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:11, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: You want me to assess those two criteria? OK.
Neutrality: The hook and the alternate hook are, IMO, neutrally worded.
Copyvio/Paraphrasing: "The first major expansion" is a direct quote from citation 55 on 72nd Street. The rest of the information is a paraphase of citations 54 and 55. 86th Street uses the same language and the same citations. pbp 01:29, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

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Articles created/expanded on October 28[edit]

African cuckoo

  • ... that the African cuckoo ejects an egg already present in a host's nest when it lays its own? Source: "Female removes host's egg at time of laying"

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 09:11, 2 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Destubbing began on 28 October; clearly less than a week. Expended fivefold. 5000+ characters; clearly greater than 1500. Within policy to the best of my knowledge. Checked page no. 466 of the cited source and verified the same. The hook is clear, neutral, shorter and interesting to a broad range of audience. GTG! Pavanjandhyala (talk) 17:00, 2 November 2016 (UTC)


Raphael Demos

Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Self-nominated at 11:15, 28 October 2016 (UTC).

--DYKReviewBot (report bugs) 22:24, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

  • (AWAITING QPQ). Wouldn't a better hook include Demos not being sure if he'd taught King, & writing to ask? Too many short paras in career section. Earwig says 26.5% Violation unlikely - only standard jobs titles & basic phrases picked up. New enough, long enough, neutral. Hook checks out, though personally I'd expand on the letter in the text. One of the quibbling alligators at WP:ERRORS or the many other places they lurk may complain that we only have King's word for it he got an "A" ....Johnbod (talk) 03:02, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Thanks, I found more sources after nominating it, hence the bare URLs etc, which I will integrate shortly. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:51, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Just integrated all the new material. Good early life story of struggle. Revised and expanded the letter para. Alt added. QPQ next. Philafrenzy (talk) 00:01, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
QPQ done. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:00, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on October 29[edit]

El Progreso Department

5x expanded by Simon Burchell (talk). Self-nominated at 14:51, 1 November 2016 (UTC).

Symbol question.svgI think this hook is really good, but the citation that is in the article seems to be off, and I can't find a matching document online. I think if the citation is improved, it will be a very interesting hook. Kmwebber (talk) 04:23, 5 November 2016 (UTC)Kmwebber

@Kmwebber: Thanks for the review. The basic facts can be seen in the Hernández 2004 map from Prensa Libre, in the second paragraph of the introductory text. However, I think the confusion is due to the dual-numbering in the SEGEPLAN publication - I used the published page numbering at the foot of each page, which is different from the PDF page numbering. Page 13, which references the hook, is actually PDF page 21. All the best, Simon Burchell (talk) 19:18, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The hook facts have inline citations to Spanish language sources and are accepted in good faith. The article is neutral and I was unable to assess whether it had any policy issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:11, 1 December 2016 (UTC)


Aubrey Lewis (athlete)

  • ... that after becoming the first African-American at Notre Dame to be captain of an athletic team, Aubrey Lewis joined the first class at the FBI Academy to include blacks? Source: "Aubrey Lewis, 66, Athlete Who Was an F.B.I. Pioneer" - "Lewis became the first black to be captain of an athletic team at Notre Dame while starring with the track squad in 1957-58. In 1962, he joined the Federal Bureau of Investigation as part of its first training class to include blacks."
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link], or briefly cite, the source)

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self-nominated at 01:09, 31 October 2016 (UTC).

Symbol confirmed.svg I think this hook is really good, and is cited in the article with two different reliable sources. The page is long enough and new enough, and I think this is an interesting fact for a large group of readers. Good work! Kmwebber (talk) 18:36, 5 November 2016 (UTC)Kmwebber

e-baby

Gabrielle Scawthorn and Danielle Carter performing in e-baby
Gabrielle Scawthorn and Danielle Carter performing in e-baby
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Scott Simplot
  • Comment: This review by Fiona Cameron supports the hook, describing e-baby as "a very rare theatrical beast: a two-handed play by women, starring women and about issues that affect women viscerally. Indeed, another such production doesn't readily spring to mind ... [and] the men in the characters' lives, well, they were so peripheral as to be almost incidental ... [in this] play about hope and trust and how two women who would otherwise never have crossed paths are connected by a surrogate pregnancy."

    An alternative image which could be used is File:Ensemble Theatre production of e-baby - photo 1.jpg, but I think the one shown here is preferable.

Created by EdChem (talk). Self-nominated at 23:45, 30 October 2016 (UTC).

  • QPQ requirement not met. Though the claimed QPQ was ultimately withdrawn, EdChem did not address copyvio in his review before it was withdrawn, one of the DYK criteria. The QPQ review was, therefore, inadequate for claiming QPQ credit. LavaBaron (talk) 03:59, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Reviewer: Please see this discussion for the context leading LavaBaron to make the above comment. EdChem (talk) 04:33, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Agreed, please do. Per that discussion the community decided that a review that doesn't address each of the five criteria doesn't meet QPQ requirements. Note that the QPQ being claimed here didn't address copyvio (among others). This is also widely supported by other recent QPQs that have been rejected, such as this one which was blocked as an acceptable QPQ because it didn't "explicitly confirms that the five main DYK criteria have been met". LavaBaron (talk) 19:58, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg I have now reviewed the article. It is new enough as of the date of the nomination. It is long enough. The hook isn't that interesting, however, it's enough to pass the general interest requirement, even though it's unclear whether the requirement still exists or it's been recently repealed by executive fiat. The image is rights-free as per a OTRS tag. Both the article and hook are NPOV. The hook is not too long. Earwig finds no evidence of copyvio except for several passages which are direct quotes and, therefore, acceptable as cited. The sourcing for the hook is acceptable [11]. An adequate QPQ has not been done. LavaBaron (talk) 00:20, 2 December 2016 (UTC)




George S. Zimbel

** ALT1:... that documentary photographer George S. Zimbel (born in 1926) is one of the the last surviving members of the Photo League? Source: "Zimbel is one of the last still-with-us, still-active photographers whose creative philosophy was directly influenced through participation in the Photo League program." - B&W Magaxine

      • ALT2:... that documentary photographer George S. Zimbel (born in 1926) is one of the the last surviving photographers to be directly influenced by the Photo League? Source: "Zimbel is one of the last still-with-us, still-active photographers whose creative philosophy was directly influenced through participation in the Photo League program." - B&W Magaxine

Created by Verne Equinox (talk). Self-nominated at 22:54, 1 November 2016 (UTC).


  • Symbol question.svg The article is new and long enough, and there are no obvious copyvios. The problem with the hook is - how did Zimbel sell (or rather, fail to sell) the photographs, as the article states, when the source said he didn't develop them until 20 years later? For ALT1, I read the source more as saying he was one of the last surviving photographers influenced by the Photo League. I prefer the main hook, so that would be the one to focus on checking. Also, a QPQ is required. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:10, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
  • To answer the first question. The quoted source is inaccurate in that he 'developed' the film after he took the photos, but he never printed any pictures to sell. It was not until more than 20 years later that he went back to the negatives and made prints. He then started to show and sell them. Others photographers who were at the event sold them immediately afterwards, notably I believe, one Matty Zimmerman. Second question: see Alt2.
Reviewed - List of crossings of the Upper Passaic River Verne Equinox (talk) 12:55, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Okay, that's the QPQ done and the original hook explained, so let's go with that. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:12, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg @Verne Equinox and Ritchie333: I came to promote this but did not like the word "print" in the original hook. The source says "develop" which I see you have been discussing above, but "print" is a bit too specific for my liking. What about "publish" as a substitute? The hook is also a bit clunky and could do with being rephrased. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:03, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
@Ritchie333 and Verne Equinox: I think publish is fine. I am ok with the rewrite.Verne Equinox (talk) 21:40, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer required to check ALT3. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:51, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 30[edit]

E. Jerome McCarthy

  • ... that E. Jerome McCarthy is considered a "pivotal figure in the development of marketing thinking" by the Oxford Dictionary of Marketing for introducing the 4 Ps of marketing in his 1960 textbook, Basic Marketing: A Managerial Approach"?[1]

5x expanded by BronHiggs (talk). Nominated by CaroleHenson (talk) at 21:26, 5 November 2016 (UTC).

References

  1. ^ G. Dominic (2009). "From Marketing Mix to E-Marketing Mix: A Literature Review" (PDF). International Journal of Business and Management. 9 (4): 17–24. ,
  • Shorter ALT1 added. Edwardx (talk) 18:21, 6 November 2016 (UTC)


Malagasy white-eye

Malagasy white-eye
Malagasy white-eye
  • ... that the Malagasy white-eye (pictured) sometimes indulges in mutual preening? Source: "Birds perched close together, almost leaning on each other, mutual preening around eye, chin, nape and head generally."

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 10:16, 2 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Long enough, 5x expansion confirmed, and recent enough. Images properly licensed. Hook fact confirmed, no close paraphrasing. Another nice little article. Simon Burchell (talk) 17:05, 2 November 2016 (UTC)


Pat Loika

Loika at 2012's Long Beach Comic Con
Loika at 2012's Long Beach Comic Con
  • Reviewed: I have reviewed the DYK nomination for Danhai Light Rail Transit here.
  • Comment: According to DyK this would be my 16th DYK if it was accepted. It also is the end to a long wikibreak. The article is brand new, and is 1,811 characters long by my count. It is a BLP article, and all sections are cited to reliable sources, largely drawing on the Buzzfeed profile of the subject. There is another lengthy profile of the subject on Playboy Philippines, but it is behind a paywall (it is valid as a Reliable Source per WP:OFFLINE). This article, as it is brand new has not yet been on the main page, and is not a translation off another languages wiki, to the best of my knowledge. Both hooks are verified using the Buzzfeed profile article on the subject.

Created by RightCowLeftCoast (talk). Self-nominated at 20:33, 30 October 2016 (UTC).

That was the opinion of Buzzfeed, yes.
I can also suggest a new one.
ALT2: ... that a character whose appearance is similar to Pat Loika appeared in an issue of Uncanny X-Men as a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent?
This is 118 characters long, with spaces.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 07:23, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Ready for full review. Yoninah (talk) 13:50, 17 November 2016 (UTC)


Proceratium eocenicum

Proceratium eocenicum male
Proceratium eocenicum male
  • ... that males of the fossil ant Proceratium eocenicum (pictured) have a hair fringe? Source: "The wings are broad, with a distinct fringe of fine hairs along their posterior margins" (Dlussky, 2009 pg 1070 third paragraph)

Created by Kevmin (talk). Self-nominated at 19:36, 30 October 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The image is appropriately licensed, the hook fact has an inline citation, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:49, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


The J's with Jamie

  • ... that Time magazine said The J's with Jamie "have probably been heard by more people more times than any other group in the history of sound. Yet next to nobody knows who they are."?
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link], or briefly cite, the source)

Created by Rhododendrites (talk). Self-nominated at 20:57, 29 October 2016 (UTC).

--DYKReviewBot (report bugs) 20:11, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

  • fyi the paragraph with no cite is the discography and the copyvio is an attributed quote. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:23, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Saw Shwe Khet

  • ... that Minye Kyawswa Saw Shwe Khet was the only governor of Prome to serve on two separate occasions? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link], or briefly cite, the source)
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link], or briefly cite, the source)

Created by Hybernator (talk). Self-nominated at 01:27, 6 November 2016 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 31[edit]

Farmdrop

Created by Northamerica1000 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:23, 31 October 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg QPQ done. Article is new and long enough. Hook is of appropriate length and interesting. The only potential issue, Northamerica1000, is I can't see in the three sources cited where it unambiguously states that Farmdrop saves farmers money. The Digital Arts Online source notes that farmers get 70% vs 30% at supermarkets, however, an increase in profit on one line item is not necessarily synonymous with a net saving of money. The hook may not need to be rewritten, and it may be fine; I may just need some personal clarification. LavaBaron (talk) 20:06, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
North America - sorry but my only issue is that the sources seem to say that farmers are receiving a higher percentage of sales revenue through Farmdrop than traditional distributors but an increase in percent of sales revenue doesn't automatically = earning more money as there are a variety of other factors that may be at work; for instance, are sales volumes through Farmdrop equal to sales volumes through supermarkets? If not, farmers could actually be making less money with Farmdrop even though their revenue cut was higher. Again, I might just be misreading this or not looking at the correct portion of the sources provided; if so, let me know. LavaBaron (talk) 01:53, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
This source states: "Farmers and producers are given an average of 70 per cent of sale revenue through Farmdrop as opposed to 30 per cent from supermarkets." — This means that producers are earning more using Farmmdrop.
This source states: "...buyers are now being offered better quality and fresher food and local farmers and producers a much fairer financial deal." and "...to provide independent producers with a greater share of the retail price, whilst giving people the best, freshest food, making it a fairer deal for all." — Producers earning a greater share of the retail price, and receiving a fairer financial deal equates to them earning more. They're given more money compared to that received from supermarkets; they're earning more.
– I think you're making this much more complex than it actually is. When using Farmdrop, producers are earning more compared to earnings from their products purveyed at supermarkets. It's unclear why you think equal sales volumes via Farmdrop and at supermarkets would be required to confer with increased earnings, or losses for lack of such equality. The sources don't cover your theory, so there's nothing to state about it in the article or in a hook. North America1000 09:46, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Symbol voting keep.svg Revenue and earnings mean two different things. Revenue is what's earned before deducting the cost of goods while earnings is usually understood (though this point, specifically, could be further split) to be net income. The sources refer to revenue, the hook refers to earnings. It may well be that farmers using Farmdrop also earn more but the sources don't say that and there are so many factors beyond revenue cut that go into calculating earnings I have an issue simply assuming it's true. If it costs me $5 to grow a widget and Farmdrop buys 10 widgets from me for $10 each while Wal-Mart buys 10,000 widgets from me for $6 each, my revenue per unit may be more selling to Farmdrop but I earn more selling to Wal-Mart. However, North America is an experienced editor and I AGF the primary hook, assuming no other editor objects, as being a simple case of my personal ignorance on the question. LavaBaron (talk) 14:31, 4 November 2016 (UTC) I am amending this approval and recusing myself, without prejudice, due to implications in discussion that my approval of this thread might be personally disadvantageous for me. LavaBaron (talk) 21:40, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed to give a full review of nomination. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:00, 15 November 2016 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on November 1[edit]

Woodland dormouse

  • ... that under certain conditions, the woodland dormouse can enter a state of torpor? Source: "Under certain conditions, will enter torpor"

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 08:54, 4 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new enough, long enough, expanded 5x or more, no conflicts with policies detected. Hook is short enough, referenced in article (source verified online) and interesting. DYK Ready. Tylototriton (talk) 19:39, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

List of crossings of the Upper Passaic River

Passaic River Bridge
Passaic River Bridge

Created by Djflem (talk). Self-nominated at 07:13, 4 November 2016 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg :* Comprehensive. However, I note that the hook is based on the long list (which I trust but did not count). A tweak to the article might read, instead of "Numerous spans have been built", say "Today, there are, more than 100 spans ..." Verne Equinox (talk) 12:44, 5 November 2016 (UTC) -->

qpq review:Template:Did you know nominations/Pedals (bear) Djflem (talk) 13:37, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
"Over 100 crossings have been built" added to lead.Djflem (talk) 07:31, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Issue resolved. Good to go. Verne Equinox (talk) 21:19, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg I came to promote this but found there was no inline citation for the "over 100" fact. I can see by counting that there are 93 or so crossings on the upper river list, and plenty more in the lower river article, but this information is not directly cited in the nominated article. If you could add, and cite, to this article a sentence on the number of crossings on the lower river, that would suffice. Alternatively, you could have a different hook just referring to the upper river and stating "over ninety". Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:18, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia:CALC Djflem (talk) 07:29, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
I think not. If it were mentioned in the article that there were X number of bridges on the lower river we could use Wikipedia:CALC, but that fact is not mentioned. Alternatively a citation for the "Over 100 crossings have been built along the reaches of the river's length since the colonial era" statement would suffice. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:17, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Over 100 crossings have been built along the lower and upper river since the colonial era…..Djflem (talk) 10:22, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: BlueMoonset, do you consider a citation is necessary here? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:35, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Cwmhiraeth, Djflem, that statement absolutely needs a citation. The article's table is of fewer than 100 crossings, which includes dams, water mains, and proposed structures. While these are, for the most part, cited, the companion article about the lower Passaic is not, and in any event cannot be used for calculations: for DYK, it's only what's in this article that's relevant. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:12, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Djflem (talk) 21:49, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

The nominator has provided a reference, per request, and I have clarified a point in the article that was perhaps not clear, to wit, the hook refers to the entire river while the article refers to just one part. It works now and I recommend promoting the nom.Verne Equinox (talk)
@Verne Equinox:If you are satisfied that the reference now given for the statement "Over 100 crossings have been built along the lower and upper river", does in fact support the hook fact, please give this nomination your tick of approval. Searching for "Passaic River" in that source I found 82 relevant hits, and repeating the search for "Passaic Riv" I found 97. None of this discussion would be necessary if the hook were changed to 90 rather than 100. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:51, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


Sloggett's vlei rat

  • ... that Sloggett's vlei rat is sometimes found at densities of over 100 animals per hectare? Source: "Densities of over 100/ha have been estimated in suitable rocky habitats."

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 09:15, 3 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Article has been expanded enough within the appropriate time frame. It is long enough, neutrally written, and cited to reliable sources. It is free of copyvios that I can find. Hook fact is accurate, in the article, and cited inline. It is supported by the quote provided (I cannot access the page itself in google books, so minor AGF there). Hook fact is not enthralling, but I feel it is interesting enough. Therefore, this is GTG. As an aside, and this is absolutely not a requirement for anything, I'd be curious to see some information about etymology. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 05:31, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg What does "100 animals per hectare" mean, exactly? Is that a big number? Small number? I think some context here would be appreciated. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:21, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

@Maury Markowitz: For a mammal it is a high density, and the source also thought this, stating "Densities of over 100/ha have been estimated in suitable rocky habitats." Any addition by me in the article of comparable figures for other rodents would likely be considered OR. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:25, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
Typing "rodent density per ha" into Google revealed that mouse densities often exceed 1,000/ha, and it was trivially easy to find many examples in the field within the 50-100 range. Adding referenced material to provide context is the opposite of OR, and if you can find any examples of OR being used in the manner you claim here I'd be happy to wade in to those debates. But in the meantime we have a hook that implies this number is somehow interesting, and here you claim a source suggests the same, when it makes no claim of the sort whatsoever. That is what I would like to address. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:46, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
Well, the larger the species, the lower the density on the whole, and these are much bigger than mice. However, we aren't getting anywhere here so I have added more information to the article and propose ALT1




José López scandal

  • Reviewed: Gertrude Foster Brown
  • Comment: Yes, I know, this sounds as an event from a wacky TV comedy rather than an event involving a real politician. But, as you can see in the three references, it is exactly what has happened (you can even see photos of the confiscated money). Per WP:ONEEVENT, the article is focused on the scandal rather than the person, who was an obscure and mostly unknown politician before all this. Cambalachero (talk) 18:33, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Created by Cambalachero (talk). Self-nominated at 18:33, 1 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Cmt:English really needs a light going-over. Johnbod (talk) 04:00, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on November 2[edit]

Chamber pop

Improved to Good Article status by Ilovetopaint (talk). Self-nominated at 17:27, 5 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Great work and interesting read ;) Length, date of nom, sourcing, including for hook, and QPQ are all good. I'll do a copyright check tomorrow as I only have mobile access at the moment. Unless any copyvio is detected, this nomination should be good to go. --Al Ameer (talk) 05:59, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg A copyvio was indeed found, Al Ameer, but not until after it was promoted to prep. In future, please do not give a tick to any article when you have not yet completed the review. Ilovetopaint, I see that you have embarked on an extensive series of edits since Black Kite tagged the article for plagiarism. Please let us know when you have completed these updates, and we will then get a new reviewer. I will probably also request that Nikkimaria check the article for copyvio/plagiarism/close paraphrasing before calling the new reviewer, so it can be given an all clear. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:38, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: I'm not sure how much the article needed to be rephrased but I think things should be okay now. --Ilovetopaint (talk) 05:59, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Our lead is pretty much the same as the AllMusic article. There's also significant close paraphrasing of other sources, including Treblezine and Billboard. I've tagged the article and will shortly be posting a GAR. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:21, 22 November 2016 (UTC)


Guan ware

Guan bowl, 12th century
Guan bowl, 12th century
Guan bowl, 12-13th century
Guan bowl, 12-13th century
  • ... that Guan ware pottery is "the most frequently copied of all Chinese wares", despite being covered in cracks in the glaze? Source: Quote from Krahl, Regina, Oxford Art Online, "Guan and Ge wares", section in "China, §VIII, 3: Ceramics: Historical development", which also covers cracks.
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link], or briefly cite, the source)

Created by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 13:51, 5 November 2016 (UTC).

I Am Seven

  • ... that I Am Seven (2016) by South Korean singer Seven was released under his agency Eleven9 Entertainment, of which he invested 6,000,000,000 to establish? Source: "Singer Seven established a company building in Hongdae for a 6 billion won investment ... On the 7th [of January], Seven opened the official homepage for his agency Eleven9." (TVreport, in Korean)

Created by Explicit (talk). Self-nominated at 14:22, 4 November 2016 (UTC).


Montrose Center

  • ... that the Montrose Center was the first behavioral health center to receive funding under the Ryan White CARE Act? Source: "Montrose Management District – My Montrose: Dr. Ann Robison, The Montrose Center". montrosedistrict.org. Retrieved 2016-11-02.
    • ALT1:... that the Montrose Center, formerly known as the Montrose Counseling Center (MCC), is an organization that provides mental and behaviorial health services for Houston's LGBT community, in Texas? Source: "New name, new look, same mission for Montrose Center". Chron.

5x expanded by Kmwebber (talk). Self-nominated at 17:45, 3 November 2016 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - I like the first proposed hook, but I wish it were cited to a source not directly connected with the organization.
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Article is new enough (nominated one day after five-fold expansion), long enough (~2500 characters), and well-sourced. I tidied up the references to make the citations more thorough and standardized the dates. The first proposed hook is much more interesting than ALT1, but the only source included for the claim it makes is an interview with the center's executive director, hardly an independent source. Can the expander/nominator (or someone else) provide a more independent verification of the claim about the Ryan White CARE Act? Bryanrutherford0 (talk) 17:47, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

There have been some substantial edits to the article since it was nominated, but it now seems to have reached a stable version(?). The new content also meets the DYK standard. The only remaining issue is the hook: without a more independent source to back up the claim, I can't approve the original proposal, and ALT1 is supported but pretty bland. Here is a spicier alternate with a clear citation:
ALT2: ... that the Westboro Baptist Church called Houston's Montrose Center "an oozing, purulent sore of sodomite contagion?" Source: OutSmart
Can someone else please review this hook or propose another? Symbol redirect vote 4.svg -Bryanrutherford0 (talk) 17:47, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
I know that I probably don't get a say since I was the main editor for this article, but I really love the new hook you proposed, and I believe it is backed up with adequate sources. Kmwebber (talk) 20:21, 16 November 2016 (UTC)Kmwebber

Articles created/expanded on November 3[edit]

Ted Budd

  • ... that U.S. Representative-elect Ted Budd won his first election with 20% of the vote in a seventeen-candidate field? Source: [22]
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link], or briefly cite, the source)
  • Reviewed: IOU

Created/expanded by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 22:26, 9 November 2016 (UTC).






Hill-Crest

  • ... that Hill-Crest is the most valuable university presidential residence in the United States? [23], [24]

Created/expanded by LavaBaron (talk). Self-nominated at 20:08, 3 November 2016 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting house, on good sources. The hook says "is", the source is from 2013, - can we be sure it still "is"? I coy-edited a bit, and please do some more: please get the first image below the infobox, to not squeeze text, and please find a better header than "design" for a paragraph that lists lake and team. I know "property" as land + building. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:24, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt - thanks for the helpful feedback. I've made these changes; please let me know if I missed anything. LavaBaron (talk) 01:08, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, and I'll move the image myself. - The question is open if what the most recent source said in 2013 is still true today, or how we can word that we have a 2013 fact? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:34, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
Short of sitting for the realtor's exam and then flying to Seattle and personally conducting an inspection and appraisal, I have no way to divine if what was claimed in 2013 is still true today. I think we've done a fairly transparent job of noting it's a 2013 fact, to wit:
  • As of 2013 it was the single most valuable university presidential residence in the United States.
  • Hill-Crest's approximate market value, in 2013, was $8.5 million making it then the single most expensive ...
LavaBaron (talk) 10:43, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
  • On mobile just now, but may I suggest that a better hook would be that the current president was 'forced' to live in it, lest the property be forfeited? Ping me tmw if you want me to craft something. EEng 05:49, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
We're okay, thanks. LavaBaron (talk) 10:43, 1 December 2016 (UTC
Surely you understood the question wasn't directed at you. BTW, an appraiser's license is quite different from a realtor's license. EEng 19:25, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
The article is clear about it "as of 2013", the hook is not. "is" says it in 2016 or 2017, whenever that may be shown, and there's no source for that. Criticism of DYK being not precise is justified, let's not invite it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:52, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Got it! My apologies, I misunderstood that the issue was still with the article body. If the body is okay now, I propose for the alternate hook -
ALT-1 - ... that, in 2013, Hill-Crest was appraised as the most valuable university presidential residence in the United States?
- but am open to alternate ones if the past-tense reference is uninteresting. LavaBaron (talk) 17:58, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
I like it but would put the date at the end:
ALT2: ... that Hill-Crest was appraised as the most valuable university presidential residence in the United States in 2013?
Symbol confirmed.svg --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:13, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks - I agree that's much more readable. LavaBaron (talk) 19:19, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
  • The article, and AFAICS the sources, say nothing about appraisals. While I'm here, let me suggest:
ALT3 ... that the University of Washington's president was forced to live in a 1907 mansion with a pipe organ and flooded basement, because otherwise the university would forfeit the house?
ALT4 ... that the University of Washington's president was forced to live in "a candidate for Extreme Makeover: Georgian Mansion Edition" with a flooded basement, because otherwise the house would be forfeit? [25] "completed in 1907... elevator and a pipe organ... parts of the residence could have been a candidate for Extreme Makeover: Georgian Mansion Edition... The basement flooded..." [26] "Regents turned down Mark Emmert's request to [let] him live in his own home... That could have forced a sale of the mansion under the original gift provisions..."
EEng 19:25, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Better word for appraisal? (not in my vocabulary yet), will look "forfeited". Sometimes they ask me (in German) why I am here ;) - I like ALT3, but find ALT4 too wordy, but perhaps it's just me to whom Extreme Makeover: Georgian Mansion Edition means nothing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
An appraisal is a formal process, by persons specially qualified, for establishing the value of an asset; just saying something "is valued at $1000" doesn't mean it was appraised, just that a value was asserted somehow. The Georgian reference is to Extreme_Makeover:_Home_Edition. EEng 23:30, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
  • I prefer Gerda Arendt's hook. Alt-3 isn't accurate enough to withstand a FramTest as the source for the Emmerts living in the house is different than the source mentioning it has a pipe organ so, it's within the realm of quantum physical possibility that a pipe organ was installed after the request to move out was rejected. We just don't know with 100% certainty. For Alt-4, the sources don't say that the house was a candidate for something called Extreme Makeover: Georgian Mansion Edition so we can't use that. LavaBaron (talk) 23:08, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Since Gerda (a respected editor known for her clueful good judgment) has difficulty with the cultural reference in ALT4, I've struck that hook. As for your objections to ALT3, since you mention Fram I've summoned him/her here for an opinion on your quantum-tunneling time-travel concerns. EEng 23:30, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
First, thank you for promptly striking the hook to which I objected. Second, no, I mentioned a FramTest, a colloquialism for a stress test of a DYK hook to assess if it would survive a full run on the main page or not, but I did not mention Fram the editor. Anyone can apply a FramTest whether or not Fram him/herself is present to supervise it. But, of course, I welcome Fram's input, as always. (And no one has mentioned time traveling, sheesh. I simply observed the sources don't establish beyond an absolute shadow of a doubt that the pipe organ was present in the house at the time Emmert said he didn't want to live there, which is what your hook demands and which is why it would fail a FramTest.) LavaBaron (talk) 23:51, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
I didn't strike the hook you objected to – I struck the hook Gerda didn't understand. "Beyond an absolute shadow of a doubt" is not the level of confidence required for hook facts. EEng 00:54, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Waiting for a better word than appraisal in ALT2, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:22, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't realize that's what you wanted. (With some other changes...)
ALT2a: ... that Hill-Crest was said to be the United States' most valuable university presidential residence in 2013?
EEng 09:34, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg thank you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:05, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Does that include ALT3? EEng 13:18, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Yes, it does. I like it but guess the other is more for our (all-too-)common readership, - let the prep builder decide. I have a pipe organ pictured in a nom, DYK? (And an article up for deletion.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:29, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

L'îlot de La Boisselle

  • ... that L'îlot de La Boisselle is a small French "islet" with a network of 7 kilometres (4.3 mi) of tunnels underneath?

Created/expanded by ViennaUK (talk). Self-nominated at 14:18, 10 November 2016 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 4[edit]

Monroe Karmin

  • ... that Pulitzer Prize winner Monroe Karmin attributed Sharon Stone's "wellness, fitness, and a positive attitude" to her undergarment choices?
    • ALT1:... that Monroe Karmin welcomed journalists from the former Soviet Union who were "embarking on a new world of freedom of the press"?

Created by AdventurousSquirrel (talk). Self-nominated at 16:58, 11 November 2016 (UTC).



References

V-2 missile launch site, Blizna

Created/expanded by Marek69 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:03, 4 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Date, size, refs, hook, copyvio, etc. all check out. The only problem is with a QPQ (missing) and the hooks wording. First one has a clarification request in the article (needs a bit more expansion and explanation) and the hook should also be clear that the parts were probably stolen by Soviets. Second needs a wording change, "that the first of 139 launches" should be " that the first of 139 V-2 launches " and is otherwise GTG. Third is just too long. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:43, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Thank you Piotrus for your review. I've taken your advice and made some amendments to the wording. I wasn't aware of the QPQ rule (I just had to look it up), so will give that my attention as soon as I have a spare moment. Kind regards -- Marek.69 talk 15:47, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
All three hooks are clear now. This will be GTG when the QPQ is completed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:00, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ a b c d Puszkin, Piotr (26 April 2008). "Poligon V1/V2 Blizna" [Blizna V1/V2 facility] (in Polish). Archived from the original on 4 March 2016. Retrieved 2 November 2016. 
  2. ^ "List of V-2 test missile launches from Blizna". jena1806.com. Retrieved 2009-10-24. 
  3. ^ a b Wnuk, Rafał; Zapart, Robert; Szkudliński, Jan (2012). Blińko, Beata, ed. Tajemnice Blizny. Wywiad Armii Krajowej w walce z rakietami V-2 [Secrets of Blizna. Polish ‘Armia Krajowa’ in the fight against V-2 rockets]. Wydawnictwo ‘Oskar’ sp. z o.o. (Krzysztof Pałubicki) (in Polish). 1 (1 ed.). Gdańsk: Muzeum II Wojny Światowej w Gdańsku oraz Fundację Armii Krajowej im. Franciszka Miszczaka w Londynie. p. 36. ISBN 978-83-63709-19-8. Archived from the original on 3 November 2016. Retrieved 3 November 2016. 


Bombing of Nagaoka in World War II

Nagaoka after the raid.
Nagaoka after the raid.

Created/expanded by MChew (talk). Nominated by Iazyges (talk) at 21:22, 4 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article is not long enough but new enough. Where is it said that Nagaoka was lacking targets of military significance? And the population number. I am also not sure if there being a more plausible reason for the air raid than Nagaoka being Yamamoto's hometown is the same thing as saying that it didn't play a role. The second paragraph may use a rewrite as it's fairly similar in wording with the source. One source is inaccessible. Hooks need the article link bolded, the first hook is better but I am not sure if "destroyed" and "burned down" here are equivalent. No QPQ needed. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:04, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg Sorry MChew, but this article is slightly too short for DYK. . It seems there is ample material in the quoted sources with many details that could be added. I would also move the "Notes" to "Citations", a minor correction and not a requirement, just a suggestion. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:28, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

@Maury Markowitz: I have expanded it to above the required amount. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 06:11, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 5[edit]

Idol Death Game TV

Created by Satellizer (talk). Self-nominated at 04:52, 5 November 2016 (UTC).


Articles created/expanded on November 6[edit]

Birdsong (novel)

Sebastian Faulks in London, England
Sebastian Faulks in London, England

Improved to Good Article status by Sadads (talk). Self-nominated at 01:51, 8 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This is a newly-promoted GA and is long enough and submitted within the correct time frame. The image is appropriately licensed, the article is neutral and I detected no close paraphrasing or other policy issues. The hook is written as if this fact is a general view whereas it is the comment of a single scholar. Could you redraft the hook or offer a different one and I will review it. You seem to have five or more DYKs so I think you need to do a QPQ review of another nomination. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:43, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
@Sadads: Response needed. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:33, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth:Sorry for the long reply, been off wiki a lot lately (took a week for vacation, etc.). Did the QPQ: forgot about that, been a while since I did DYK: Template:Did you know nominations/Harvard Environmental Law Review. Fixed the DYK hook, so that its clear that its an opinion. Sorry again for the long wait, Sadads (talk) 02:14, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg This nomination is now good to go with ALT1. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:10, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Z.A. Ahmed (Indian politician)

5x expanded by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 21:34, 8 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg QPQ done. Adequately referenced. Article is long enough and new enough and spot checks reveal no copyvios. Valenciano (talk) 14:48, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Sorry, the hook is not very hooky for an international audience. What do you think about:
  • ALT1: ... that though Indian communist politician Z.A. Ahmed declined a request to move to Pakistan, he was forced to move there to escape an arrest warrant? Yoninah (talk) 23:24, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
Hm, I'm not fully convinced with ALT1. First of all, there needs to be a clarification that it was his own party that requested, not the Pakistani authorities. Also, it is questionable whether the arrest warrant forced him to move there. --Soman (talk) 02:29, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
  • @Soman: do you have another idea? Yoninah (talk) 11:09, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Not sure. Perhaps something about the link to Nehru? --Soman (talk) 19:21, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Sarai Gonzalez

  • ... that her spunky performance in the "Soy Yo" music video has turned 11-year-old Sarai Gonzalez into a Latina icon? Source: "In record time, she had gone from unknown little girl to Latina icon, all thanks to a viral music video: Sarai is the nerdy, round and confident tween who confronts bullies on the streets of Brooklyn in the video for "Soy Yo" or "That's Me," by the Colombian group Bomba Estéreo." (The New York Times)

Created by Yoninah (talk). Self-nominated at 22:25, 6 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Comment only Using "spunky" in connection with an 11-year-old girl seems an unfortunate choice. Could we perhaps trim that word? Edwardx (talk) 23:55, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
  • @Edwardx: I always respect your opinion, but I don't understand the point you're making. Yoninah (talk) 09:17, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, now I think about it, it's not really an issue in American English, but in the UK at least, spunk is widespread slang for semen. There also appear to be issues for Australia, "A sexually attractive person": OxfordDictionaries.com definition of spunk. Edwardx (talk) 10:42, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Interesting. Full review needed. Yoninah (talk) 22:18, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I would suggest using "sassy" instead, since it's clean according to Oxford (does anyone know of other colloquial language issues?) and it's used in one of the refs to describe her. I will make the change in the article as well as in the revised DYK below. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:54, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that her sassy, self-confident performance in the "Soy Yo" music video has turned 11-year-old Sarai Gonzalez into a Latina icon? Source: "In record time, she had gone from unknown little girl to Latina icon, all thanks to a viral music video: Sarai is the nerdy, round and confident tween who confronts bullies on the streets of Brooklyn in the video for "Soy Yo" or "That's Me," by the Colombian group Bomba Estéreo." (The New York Times). For "sassy", see ref
  • Yes, that's a good choice. I also added "self-confident" to the hook and article. Yoninah (talk) 20:59, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Kambalny

Kambalny volcano
Kambalny volcano
  • ... that Kambalny (pictured)? during the Holocene suffered a landslide that travelled for 20 kilometres (12 mi)?Source: "The next collapse involved both old and emerging cones and resulted in the second debris avalanche, which surmounted 350-m-high hills and formed a 5-km-wide and 20-km-long deposit SSW from the volcano" Source, page 133

5x expanded by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 21:11, 6 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Okay then, I'll officially make this an ALT. Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 16:41, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT1 " ... that during the Holocene epoch, Kambalny (pictured) suffered a landslide that travelled for 20 kilometres (12 mi)?"
  • Symbol question.svg ALT1 wording preferred - expansion in time period ok, earwigs copyvio clear. QPQ done. you need to put inline ref after the sentence that makes up the hook. I can't access the article so will accept in good faith. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:24, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg @Casliber and Jo-Jo Eumerus: I was going to promote this, but surely a landslide is an event, and it is the debris that moves and not the landslide? Could we have a differently-worded hook to reflect this? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:52, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
    @Cwmhiraeth: Yes, but I've seen "landslide moves" constructions as well. That said, I've written an ALT. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:12, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
    • ALT1 ... that Kambalny (pictured)? during the Holocene suffered a landslide whose sliding mass travelled for 20 kilometres (12 mi)?Source: "The next collapse involved both old and emerging cones and resulted in the second debris avalanche, which surmounted 350-m-high hills and formed a 5-km-wide and 20-km-long deposit SSW from the volcano" Source, page 133
  • ALT2 ... that a landslide on Kambalny (pictured) during the Holocene caused debris to travel for 20 kilometres (12 mi)? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:55, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Contingency Fund for Foreign Intercourse

Created by LavaBaron (talk). Self-nominated at 01:13, 6 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg You are supposed to add the ref straight after the hook fact. Ref 1 is offline, ref 2 purports to be the report of a "commission" ordered by Congress, but no actual name appears on the website, and the details in the citation aren't adequate. New, long & neutral enough. Copyvios to be checked. Johnbod (talk) 02:31, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 7[edit]

Raja Krishnamoorthi

  • Reviewed: IOU

Created by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 22:21, 9 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Article is long enough and has been expanded fivefold on the indicated day. I completed 1 bare-url reference, the rest of the references is fine. No copyvio issues detected. The hook is cited to a reliable source, and reasonably interesting. --Pgallert (talk) 05:55, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg There is still a QPQ review missing for this submission.--Pgallert (talk) 05:55, 30 November 2016 (UTC)


Swarmjet

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 14:52, 7 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Maury Markowitz: New and long enough, within policy, Earwig detects no copyvios. I don't see that the nominator actually reviewed the cited QPQ. I'd suggest a slight alteration to the hook, noting that it involves firing thousands of unguided rockets, since not everyone immediately knows what a shotgun blast is. Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 02:48, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
Changed. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:18, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
@Maury Markowitz: Thanks for the change, looks good. However, I still don't see a substantive review at the listed QPQ link; you should provide another one. Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 02:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Harvard Environmental Law Review

  • ... that according to one observer, the original format of the Harvard Environmental Law Review was "too ambitious"? Source: "Early editors modified the original format because it was too ambitious to ask students to research and write a comprehensive overview of recent developments every year." (Bonnie Docherty, 25 Years or HELR: The Invention and Reinvention of Environmental Law, 25 Harv. Envt'l L. Rev. 323, 328 (2001)).

Converted from a redirect by Notecardforfree (talk). Self-nominated at 11:52, 7 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Size, newness through expansion, and hook check out. QPQ looks good. Sadads (talk) 02:09, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
@Sadads: I have rewritten the hook to ALT1, because it is not clear who made the comment, it was probably the editors rather than an observer. Please could you approve ALT1 and confirm that you checked the article for neutrality and policy issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:28, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
For the record, I think ALT1 is mich better than the original. Many thanks, Cwmhiraeth. Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 07:37, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg They both work, similar idea, and both fit well as hooks, Sadads (talk) 13:51, 1 December 2016 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on November 8[edit]

Y Sap mine

The plan for the placement of the mine.
The plan for the placement of the mine.

Created/expanded by ViennaUK (talk). Nominated by Iazyges (talk) at 03:32, 9 November 2016 (UTC).

Richard L. Alexander

  • Reviewed: Sairecabur
  • Comment: My second DYK, though I did do a review.

Created by GrinandGregBearit (talk). Self-nominated at 19:34, 14 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The hook fact is sourced to an offline source and is accepted in good faith. The article is neutral and neither Earwig nor I could detect any significant copyright issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:10, 29 November 2016 (UTC)



Doucai

Dish, 1472-87
Dish, 1472-87
  • ... that the doucai style in Chinese porcelain uses colours both over and under the glaze? Source: "The outlines and a few selected areas of the designs were first painted in underglaze blue, after which the pieces were glazed, fired, and cooled in the usual way. The overglaze colours were painted on within the confines of the blue outlines to create a jewel-like effect." "Grove", Medley, Margaret, Oxford Art Online, section "Ming; Jingdezhen porcelains, Polychome" in "China, §VIII, 3: Ceramics: Historical development"
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link], or briefly cite, the source)

Created by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 13:17, 10 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are well cited, the article is neutral, and neither Earwig nor I could find any significant copyright problems. The image was taken by the nominator and my only quibble is with the caption, which does not agree with that given in the article. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:03, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
Switched both to "dish", the term the BM uses for this one. For pieces with these dimensions the terms are pretty much interchangeable> Johnbod (talk) 15:33, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
Symbol voting keep.svg This is good to go. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:06, 23 November 2016 (UTC)



The Global Dilemma: Guns or Butter

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 16:00, 8 November 2016 (UTC).

  • New article, nominated on the day of creation, long enough, source, p. 270 has Crawford describing the game as "one of my poorest games, no question" which matches the hook and the in-line citation supported description in the body of the article. However, the lede says "Crawford ... considered it the worst game he released," and is unsupported. No citations are required in the lede, but it should still be adjust to say "considered it one of the worst games" or "one of the poorest games," to match the source.
  • References in the article are limited in variety. Reference 9 is a bare url even if it is in a "cite web" template, and further details should be added. There are no citations at all in the Gameplay section of five paragraphs, and that is not allowed under DYK rules which specify a minimum of one citation per paragraph.
  • An Earwig check picks up only direct quotations, so no copyvio issues. No close paraphrasing problems noted. Content is neutral and policy compliant.
  • Hook is short enough, is not unduly negative in my view, being the designer's own opinion of his work, and sufficiently interesting.
  • Maury Markowitz has many more than five DYK credits, so a QPQ review is required and none is provided.
  • Overall review conclusion: Symbol possible vote.svg QPQ needed, referencing in The Global Dilemma: Guns or Butter#Gameplay needed, bare url, and tweak to lede required. EdChem (talk) 05:45, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Fixed lede, cites are not needed in gameplay sections (rules of VG articles), and is a bare URL an issue? That seems outside the task of DYK, but these days of rule creep nothing surprises me any more. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:52, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
QPQ is Second Thoughts are Best. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:13, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Is there any decision on the cite issue? Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:28, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
@Maury Markowitz: Thanks for fixing the lede. The bare url issue is covered by rule D3, but I'll fix it now if you haven't, it's really not a big issue. Re the QPQ review, are you referring to Template:Did you know nominations/Second Thoughts are Best? If so, I note that that review is open to criticism for not mentioning issues like copyvio, but as it has none (I checked) and is already been on the main page, I was going to accept it. However, it has already been claimed for QPQ credit at Template:Did you know nominations/Shamus: Case II, so did you mean another review? On the citation issue, I'm inclined towards the view that the position is unclear. EdChem (talk) 23:19, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on November 9[edit]

Thomas of Tolentino

Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 00:00, 15 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Note to reviewers: You don't need to source all the hooks; just the one you find most compelling. — LlywelynII 05:19, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg The article was nominated 5 days after it was created. It is long enough and impeccably sourced, as well as rather intriguing. The nominator has reviewed another nomination as required. I strongly favour ALT4, and have taken the liberty to change the word order (to highlight the hooky fact) and to strike out the rest. ALT5 and ALT2 are also very good. I really cannot decide which hook I like best. An Italian beheaded for describing Muhammad as demonic during a medieval domestic violence case in India? That's simply brilliant. Perhaps a combination of ALT2 and ALT4 would be best, specifying that the Christians jailed him for criticizing the clergy's opulence and that the Muslims beheaded him for stating that Muhammad was the son of the Devil. Although, I have to wonder who reported this story, since all four missionaries were killed. Surtsicna (talk) 21:31, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
@Surtsicna: You have approved this nomination, but all the hooks are struck! Could you clarify the position? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, I wanted to start striking all hooks except for ALT4 but then realized I could not make my mind. Due to an oversight, the first <s> remained in place. Which hook sounds best to you,Cwmhiraeth? Surtsicna (talk) 15:42, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
I have not looked at the article, but assuming all the hooks are properly supported and cited, I like ALT1 and ALT4 best. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:49, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
Comment: I'm fine with running ALT1, ALT3, and ALT4 on different days if it's hard to choose just one. What does EEng think? — LlywelynII 09:58, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Personally I'd go with ALT3, since I think it's always salutary to recall past religious zealotry, on whomever's part. WRT to some of the other ALTs, "lies" is awkward -- I'd just say "is" or "are"; also, I don't see anything in the article about feet. EEng 13:03, 30 November 2016 (UTC)


Lesser spot-nosed monkey

  • ... that when its cheek pouches are full, the lesser spot-nosed monkey's throat resembles a snowball? Source: "When cheek pouches are expanded, white throat regions become prominent, resembling a snowball"

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 10:46, 13 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg The article was created in 2007 and 5x expansion began on 9 November. The main prose of the article is long enough, neutral and appears policy compliant. There is use of inline citations appropriately across the article. Several source are available online and there is no obvious copyright violation or close paraphrasing apparent. The hooks is short enough, appropriately sourced and policy compliant. QPQ has been declared. There is no image supplied. This DYK is good to go.



Articles created/expanded on November 10[edit]

George H. Barbour

  • ... that after the base of the dome of the New Jersey State House was painted in a shade of blue, George H. Barbour introduced legislation that would require the dome to be restored in its traditional gold? Source: "Jersey Notes: State House Doe Is Gold Again After a Dispute" - "Assemblyman Charles B. Yates, a Burlington County Democrat, described the blue paint as 'hideous.' Others said the color combination was all right for football uniforms or for racing silks but that it was undignified and lacking in historical perspective for a State House dome. So Mr. Yates and Assemblyman George H. Barbour, another Burlington Democrat, introduced a bill that would force the state to restore the dome to its original gold with a conservative, off‐white‐colored base."
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: TBD

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self-nominated at 03:05, 18 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Date, length, hook checks out. Close paraphrase not found. QPQ pending, once QPQ is complete will be GTG. --Soman (talk) 02:53, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Robert Mnuchin

  • ... that art dealer and gallerist Robert Mnuchin, and his sons Steven and Alan, all worked for Goldman Sachs? Source: "The bridegroom, 36, is a managing director at Goldman, Sachs ... His father, who retired as a general partner at Goldman, Sachs" (and [28] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates), AND Source: "He is a vice president at Goldman, Sachs & Company, the New York investment bank. His father is a limited partner and former head of equity trading at Goldman, Sachs." [29]
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: not yet done

Created by Edwardx (talk). Self-nominated at 23:29, 17 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough and long enough, hook is referenced, and no neutrality or copyright issues detected, However, you need a QPQ review. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:20, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Silvery mole-rat

Silvery mole-rat showing incisors
Silvery mole-rat showing incisors
  • ... that courtship in the silvery mole-rat (pictured) includes locking incisors or gently nibbling the spouse? Source: "Courtship ... the animals face each other, gently nibble each other or lock incisors, ... " Page 666 of Mammals of Africa
  • Reviewed: Doucai
  • Comment: If the GOOGLE book source won't show you page 666, try searching for "argenteocinereus" on the left of the page.

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 07:28, 14 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article is newly expanded and long enough. It is neutral and uses inline citations. There do not seem to be major copyright violations, but there seems to be close paraphrasing. "In sandy and black soils of savannas and woodlands of southern Kenya, throughout Tanzania, and parts of southeastern Zaire to central Mozambique and Malawi" in the article is similar to "in the sandy soils of savannas and woodlands of southern Kenya, throughout Tanzania and parts of southeastern Zaire, to central Mozambique" in the source. The article states the gestation period as between 90 and 105 days, but it is 87 to 101 days in the cited source. The source also does not seem to state that the feeding passage runs parallel with the surface. The hook is short enough and cited. The nominator has done QPQ. There are some issues that need to be addressed. Gulumeemee (talk) 06:30, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
@Gulumeemee: Thank you. If you look at the history of the article you will see that the offending sentence pre-dates my involvement with the article. Anyway, I have rephrased the lead, and altered the gestation period which must have come from a different source which I didn't then cite. The feeding passages average 47 metres in length and are stated to be at a depth of 12 to 23 mm, and I think "running parallel to the surface" describes this quite well. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:14, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Thanks for the changes and explanation. "Running parallel to the surface" is probably a good description. I forgot to review the image, so I am adding a review. It is used in the article. It is freely licensed because it comes from PLOS ONE. The article should be good to go now. Gulumeemee (talk) 08:02, 15 November 2016 (UTC)


Bernt Notke, Saint George and the Dragon (Notke)

Saint George and the Dragon
Saint George and the Dragon

5x expanded by Yakikaki (talk). Self-nominated at 15:24, 12 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg These two articles, one new and one expanded, are long enough and new enough. The image is appropriately licensed, the hook facts are cited inline and the articles are neutral. The sources are in Swedish so I did not check for copyright issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 21:01, 29 November 2016 (UTC)



Women's health

  • that... The World Health Organization (WHO) considers that an undue emphasis on reproductive health has been a major barrier to ensuring access to good quality health care for all women Source: WHO: "Some of the sociocultural factors that prevent women and girls to benefit from quality health services and attaining the best possible level of health include... an exclusive focus on women’s reproductive roles." Article: "The WHO considers that an undue emphasis on reproductive health has been a major barrier to ensuring access to good quality health care for all women."

Improved to Good Article status by Michael Goodyear (talk). Self-nominated at 17:02, 10 November 2016 (UTC).

  • The good news: Article was promoted to GA status on November 10, and nominated on the same day. I moved the nomination from the nomination list for Oct 10 to the one for Nov 10, when it was promoted to GA. Nominator has 2 previous nominations according to QPQ check, and so is not required to do a QPQ. Article is long enough, extensively cited (citation in lead is not required when same information is cited in body). Information is neutral. Spot checks did not find any copyvios. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 13:28, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg However, the proposed ALT was not ideally formatted (which I've fixed) and I propose ALT1 (below) to more clearly highlight the article title. Someone else should therefore recheck this. Hook lengths are both less than 200 characters. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 13:12, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that... the World Health Organization (WHO) considers that an undue emphasis on reproductive health has been a major barrier to ensuring that all women have access to good quality Women's health care. Source: WHO: "Some of the sociocultural factors that prevent women and girls to benefit from quality health services and attaining the best possible level of health include... an exclusive focus on women’s reproductive roles." Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 12:05, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg I agree with Mary Mark Ockerbloom that this article meets the DYK criteria. Approving ALT1 as basically covering the same facts as the original hook, cited inline to a reliable source. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:34, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company

Created/expanded by FriarTuck1981 (talk). Self-nominated at 09:00, 10 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Neither new nor expanded: 37986 bytes of text as of early October, 38226 now. Currently a GA nominee but not passed yet; a DYK nomination should wait until GA passes. Hook is very boring, very promotional, and far too long (should be 200 characters max). Fail for now but without prejudice against renomination with a better hook if/when this passes GA. QPQ not needed. —David Eppstein (talk) 03:24, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
Slightly punchier version of the hook:
Patrug (talk) 06:05, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Ferdinand William Hutchison, Ambrose K. Hutchison

Moved to mainspace by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 05:39, 11 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg These two articles are new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline and the articles are neutral. The sources are largely unavailable to me but I don't believe there are any copyright of close paraphrasing issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:01, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 11[edit]

Hairy-breasted barbet

  • ... that the hairy-breasted barbet has been observed to remove wings and legs from insects by bashing them on branches? Source: "we have seen these barbets bash insects on limbs to remove wings and legs before eating them" [30]

5x expanded by Gulumeemee (talk). Self-nominated at 10:22, 16 November 2016 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting expansion, on good sources. I don't need the same source behind every fact in a paragraph, when it's the same source for all them. Just the hook fact needs a repetition, otherwise one at the end of the paragraph is enough. - Minor questions: we don't need to link to common countries, and the description has extremely short sentences of simple grammar, - can you combine a few of them? The German article has an image, how about that for article and even DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:02, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
I added the image, removed the repeated citations, unlinked the countries, and combined some short sentences. Gulumeemee (talk) 02:55, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg fine, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:33, 18 November 2016 (UTC)



Articles created/expanded on November 12[edit]

To Build a Home

  • ... that despite charting in only one country, "To Build a Home" by The Cinematic Orchestra has been streamed over 60 million times and featured in several TV shows? Source: "... the track ‘To Build A Home’ from the 2007 album Ma Fleur was featured on TV series Grey's Anatomy and then became a ubiquitous soundtrack to several other TV shows." ([31]); "To Build A Home for example, taken from Ma Fleur, has been streamed more than 60 million times." ([32]); Chart history

Created by Aria1561 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:24, 17 November 2016 (UTC).



Lolita (Leah LaBelle song)

Improved to Good Article status by Aoba47 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:20, 12 November 2016 (UTC).


Articles created/expanded on November 13[edit]

Tantalus monkey

  • ... that the male tantalus monkey has a bright blue scrotum surrounded by orange hairs? Source: "Scrotum sky blue surrounded by tuft of orange hairs."

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 09:54, 16 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article has indeed been expanded fivefold, and the hook is interesting (very -- if only there were an accompanying picture) and cited by a reliable source. No copyvio detected. Tantal(us)ising. Cheers, Kingoflettuce (talk) 14:45, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Democratic National Committee chairmanship election, 2005

Howard Dean
Howard Dean
  • Reviewed: IOU
  • Comment: Might need help thinking of a better hook. Maybe it should specifically say Pelosi and Reid were opposed to Dean.

Created by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 22:22, 15 November 2016 (UTC).

Brown-necked parrot

grey-headed subspecies of brown-necked parrot
grey-headed subspecies of brown-necked parrot
  • ... that almost all the Cape parrots in captivity are actually uncape parrots (pictured)? Source: capes are uncapes
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self-nominated at 05:19, 15 November 2016 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Happy to sign off on this. Article received 5x expansion within the requisite timeframe. No issues with copyvios that I can find. Neutrally written, and the issue with citations has been addressed. QPQ is complete. Nice job with the hook: I actually chuckled as I read it. Cited inline, supported by the source. Not overwhelmed by the source itself, but for "usage in aviculture" it's alright, IMO. Vanamonde (talk) 03:23, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


Suciacarpa

  • ... that the fossil fruit Suciacarpa was found in marine sediments that also preserved a land snail and a dinosaur bone?

Source: "The permineralized fossil plant material from these sources is preserved in calcium carbonate concretions alongside ammonites, terrestrial gastropods, inoceramid bivalves, and a theropod femur" (Atkinson, B. (2016) page:760)

    • ALT1:... that seeds in the fossil fruit Suciacarpa have pyrite and fossil fungi in them?

Source: "Cross-section of a seed showing thin integument (in) colonized by fungi and obscured by pyrite and traces of endosperm tissue (arrow) in which cell walls are replaced by fungal hyphae," (Atkinson, B. (2016) page:763 fig 4)

Created by Kevmin (talk). Self-nominated at 01:19, 14 November 2016 (UTC).

Order of the Lion (Malawi)

Created by Jionunez (talk). Self-nominated at 23:21, 13 November 2016 (UTC).

  • LlywelynII According to [33], he hasn't done 5 DYK nominations, and so is exempt from doing a QPQ. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:46, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Nifty. Nevermind. — LlywelynII 16:51, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Gary Varner

Created by J Milburn (talk). Self-nominated at 20:48, 13 November 2016 (UTC).

William H. Cornwell, John F. Colburn, Arthur P. Peterson

  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Infinite Vulcan, Template:Did you know nominations/Babette's, Template:Did you know nominations/Nilgai
  • Comment: While all three articles contain information on this incident, the bulk of the prose that matches the source below can be found in the Colburn article under "Political career" section. — Maile (talk) 01:18, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Source:Queen Liliuokalani was very nearly deposed by her closest supporters three days before the January 17, 1893 climax of the Revolution that overthrew the monarchy. Members of her cabinet approached the community for help in accomplishing this on January 14, minutes after her abortive effort to promulgate a new constitution...Samuel Parker, minister of foreign affairs, John F. Colburn, minister of the interior, W. H. Cornwell, minister of finance, and A. P. Peterson, attorney general, (Thurston Twigg-Smith, p. 61) After hearing an impassioned plea that Saturday from members of the Queen's Cabinet for support if they were to move against her...the Committee of Safety met into the night and decided no other course remained but to depose the Queen and to install a provisional government.(Thurston Twigg-Smith, p. 95)

Created by KAVEBEAR (talk) and Maile66 (talk). Nominated by KAVEBEAR (talk) at 19:56, 13 November 2016 (UTC).


Articles created/expanded on November 14[edit]

Left Front (West Bengal), West Bengal Legislative Assembly election, 1977, West Bengal Legislative Assembly election, 1982, West Bengal Legislative Assembly election, 1987, West Bengal Legislative Assembly election, 1991, West Bengal Legislative Assembly election, 1996

Left Front meeting in Kolkata
Left Front meeting in Kolkata

Created by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 03:12, 21 November 2016 (UTC).

Tenable

  • ... that Tenable is "linguistic nonsense"?

Created by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 16:28, 14 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Barely long enough, new enough, however the bit on "linguistic nonsense" is not directly cited and you have a redundant "Further Reading" section. But the bigger problem is that I find this article's claim to notability flimsy at best -- might it even survive an AfD the way things are now? Almost everything is cited by a primary (and offline) source, and there's only a single third-party source. Much more work needed. Cheers, Kingoflettuce (talk) 14:08, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
I've fixed the sourcing, and all game shows that have gone out on a national network are notable. How else would you arrange the Wiktionary link?--Launchballer 14:17, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Did not notice that -- and it's nevertheless redundant. There's absolutely no need to link the wiktionary link for "tenable" to the Tenable game show article! It's like linking the "taboo" wiktionary link to the "Taboo" film or card game article... Kingoflettuce (talk) 14:21, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Gone it is then. Anything else?--Launchballer 14:23, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
I still find it iffy, especially since it just started airing. Any chance to put this on hold? Per WP:TVSHOW, generally such shows are notable but there still must be sufficient third-party coverage. I am unable to find it here. Things still remain to be seen. Cheers Kingoflettuce (talk) 05:06, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
You can call for another reviewer, which nowadays seems to have just that effect. If it's the number of episodes that causes concern, it was commissioned for 20.--Launchballer 08:28, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
  • After careful consideration I am giving this a pass in good faith (offline primary source & granting that there is sufficient third-party coverage) Symbol voting keep.svg Cheers! Kingoflettuce (talk) 08:55, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I respectfully disagree with Kingoflettuce. The hook as written goes against MOS:ITALICS (whether "Tenable" refers to the programme or the word, it should be italicised) and the current discussion of the word's etymology in the article is incredibly difficult to understand; without some context on the programme's name being a pun between ten and tenable (and some explanation of why that pun works) the quote doesn't tell a reader much. I also fear that the article does not sufficiently establish notability. Josh Milburn (talk) 01:48, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Yah, not so concerned about the hook (small stuff, and it is after all directly cited; I thought perhaps that might prompt readers to actually find out how the pun works via the article) as I am the notability of the article (my initial concern). However, based on my own cursory search and the sources presented in the article as it is now, I felt that it adequately passed N:TVSHOW. But I really wouldn't know as well, and certainly wouldn't mind standing corrected. Cheers, Kingoflettuce (talk) 02:33, 21 November 2016 (UTC)



Lahilahi Webb

Queen Liliuokalani's dog Poni
Queen Liliuokalani's dog Poni
Queen Liliuokalani with her dog Poni
Queen Liliuokalani with her dog Poni

Source: Allen 1982, pp. 384, 391, 395, 397; "Poni, small treasured descendants...". Honolulu Star-Bulletin. Honolulu. November 14, 1917. p. 2. Retrieved November 14, 2016. ; "No Hope For Her Majesty Says Doctor". Honolulu Star-Bulletin. Honolulu. November 10, 1917. p. 1. Retrieved November 14, 2016. 

  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ernest Titterton
  • Comment: Please promote the hook with the image of the dog or the dog with Queen Liliuokalani. The full image is used in the article but I know that hooks can be promoted with crop version of the images in the articles as well. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 11:45, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Created by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 11:42, 14 November 2016 (UTC).


Articles created/expanded on November 15[edit]

Aluminium triacetate

  • Comment: Article was created as a 399 character stub on 15 November by Samuele Madini, and subsequently expanded by EdChem to over 9000 characters. It could be classified as an expansion but the nominator has chosen to treat it as a new article in the hopes of encouraging further contributions.

Created by EdChem (talk) and Samuele Madini (talk). Nominated by EdChem (talk) at 03:17, 23 November 2016 (UTC).

  • QPQ to follow. EdChem (talk) 03:22, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


Furstenberg–Sárközy theorem

Created by David Eppstein (talk). Self-nominated at 00:20, 16 November 2016 (UTC).



Articles created/expanded on November 16[edit]

Essex Street, London

The Cheshire Cheese
The Cheshire Cheese
  • Reviewed: To be done
  • Comment: Could make a picture hook or a "quirky" final hook.

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Edwardx (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 10:47, 22 November 2016 (UTC).

Taschenphilharmonie

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 17:33, 23 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Length, date, qpq, close paraphrase check ok. But the hook wording is a bit odd, I didn't fully understand the wording 'playing classical music in pocket size'. The term is expained in the article itself, but it doesn't work as such in the hook. Perhaps an ALT which explains the name itself? I propose ALT1: ... that the Taschenphilharmonie has been called 'the world's smallest orchestra'? --Soman (talk) 16:34, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
I miss the children, also I wasn't sure that the term, translated, is still a quotation, -
ALT2: ... that the Taschenphilharmonie, called the world's smallest orchestra, earned prizes for classical music embedded in narration for young children? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:43, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg for ALT2 --Soman (talk) 14:06, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Filibus

Filibus
Filibus

Created by Lemuellio (talk). Self-nominated at 14:36, 23 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Length, date, hooks (both original and ALT1) checks out. Close paraphrase not found. QPQ done. Image on Commons. Italian-language refs accepted AGF. Interesting piece. --Soman (talk) 03:25, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

East Zhejiang Maritime Affairs/Folk Custom Museum

  • ... that Ningbo's Tianhou Palace, once said to be among the finest temples in China, has been repaired and reopened as a museum?
    • ALT1:... that Fujianese merchants repaired the Tianhou Palace in central Ningbo and then used it as their guildhall?
    • ALT2:... that Ningbo's Tianhou Palace carefully placed its stages so that the goddess could watch Chinese opera?
    • ALT3:... that Ningbo's Tianhou Palace is now filled with scale-model replicas of Chinese ships with moving parts?
    • ALT4:... that parts of Ningbo's Tianhou Palace destroyed during the Cultural Revolution were rebuilt using historical drawings?
    • ALT5:... that Chinese legend credits Korean sailors with erecting Ningbo's Tianhou Palace for the Fujianese goddess Mazu?
    • ALT6:... that the entrance of Ningbo's Tianhou Palace is watched over by the "Dragon Tongue Squad"?
    • ALT7:... that the Empress of Heaven honored by Ningbo's Tianhou Palace is Mazu, a medieval Fujianese teenager deified for her miraculous protection of her family during a typhoon?
  • Reviewed: Will do. Hemp in Kentucky
  • Comment: @Reviewers: Don't worry. You only need to verify the hook(s) most interesting to you. If it's #7, lemme know and I can copy/paste some descriptive text and sourcing from Mazu the Goddess.

Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 03:57, 22 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Comment - It's a mess. Ridiculous number of transcription boxes, the history section is one absurdly long para. Use mini-galleries for the too-small pics, & move the over-bolded "Names" section to the end. It has at least 2 "clarification needed" tags. And what on earth is the redirect here about? Johnbod (talk) 03:50, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for taking the time to look at the article and to comment here, especially given the template problems caused by the slash in the name. That said, no policy actually supports any of your concerns, so they don't have any bearing on DYK and should be discussed as style issues on the article's talk page, if you're not feeling WP:BOLD yourself.

In the interest of heading that off, though, I'll note here that—beyond not supporting you—several policies and style guides sharply contract you.

I get it: the thing has been called a lot of different names over the years. That said, all of the sourced English names bear inclusion (WP:COMMON WP:ENGLISH) in a separate section (WP:ALTNAME). Those names are bolded (WP:ALTNAME) and the section goes at the top of the page given the need to address alternative names that might be encountered in English as quickly as possible (WP:LEAD).
Those names need traditional and simplified Chinese forms with—at minimum—tonal pinyin and really—given the era, location, and occupants—Wade, Minnan POJ, and Ningbonese as well at some point down the road (MOS:CHINESE). It's far less messy to do that in a {{chinese}} infobox (WP:INFOBOXGEO) than to use the broken inline {{zh}} template, which—even without including other romanizations—would produce atrocious running text and a truly ridiculous number of repetitions of "traditional Chinese", "simplified Chinese" (neither of which are correctly named), and "pinyin" (which the template unhelpfully formats as though it were a separate language). What I could do is to nest them all into a single {{chinese}} box. My take, though, is that it's more helpful to divide the names according to the complex's various functions over the years. It also allows period illustrations to break the monotony and to illustrate the era involved. Given that, if you still find it too much of an eyesore, it's fixable on your end: you can adjust your CSS to hide them for you.
WP:WBA doesn't actually support you about the paragraph structure since you can't honestly call 14 short sentences of chronological progress "unreadable". What's important is having natural sections and natural breaks in the topic. Personally, I don't believe there are many, which is why I wrote it the way I did. Deferring to your user experience, I'll go ahead and split off the discussion of its renovation as a museum as a separate paragraph [[[File:Yes check.svg|18px|link=]] Done] even though—given how short that subtopic is at present—doing so is in mild violation of our style guides.
MOS:IMAGES and WP:IG explicitly say the current layout is better than moving the images away from the text they illustrate to a floating gallery section. 200px is bog standard (not "too small") and, personally, I feel it's better to have set pixel widths and as attractive a layout as possible: It's inescapable that tradeoffs are necessary between image size and readable text, and curious users needing more detail can always click through to the media player. Now, that said, you're welcome to change the pixel setting to |upright=1 instead, which will increase their size to the default 220px and make it a little more compatible with vision-impaired readers. If their settings vary too much from 200 or 220px, though, it'll give them a lousy (/lousier) layout anyway and I don't feel it's actually helpful.

Even if you wanted to go WP:IAR because articles with many sourced English names offend your sense of aesthetics, we only ignore the rules when it's a service to the reader. Removing the names here is such as disservice that the lack of it before my article caused Wikicommons to mislabel the temple's photographs in four different ways across three different locations. (It was placed variously in Ningbo, Xiamen, and Fujian and divided among its use as a temple, guildhall, and present-day museum. It's a little ugly, fine, but it's needful.

As for the rest, I added the [clarification needed] tags myself. They're important, sourced points to note but they still need to be clarified. It doesn't improve the DYK at all to have me remove them, process the nomination, and then re-add them. It's just something that will get fixed in time as more readers see the page. Finally, the redirect is because the page has to go at its present name and use but the hooks are about its historical use, which—like you saw—had a different name. "Tianhou Palace (now converted into the EZMAFCM)" is not going to improve the hooks any. — LlywelynII 09:50, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Now that we've addressed Mr Bod's concerns regarding the page's aesthetics, it still needs an actual DYK review. Again, you just need to verify the hook(s) most interesting to yourself. — LlywelynII 09:50, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

FDT (song)

"Fuck Donald Trump"
"Fuck Donald Trump"

Created/expanded by Ritchie333 (talk). Nominated by EEng (talk) at 18:53, 20 November 2016 (UTC).

[FBDB]Someday there's going to be an app which will allow me to reach through the internet and STRANGLE YOU. EEng 13:56, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Looking forward. Alas, I'm sure many of your fellow editors would approve. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:03, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment: I'll stand by my earlier comment that a we don't need to explain the acronym in the hook and b it makes the hook more interesting (not less) to leave it out.

    Symbol question.svg Also, the current caption on the pic is certainly funny but a no-go. — LlywelynII 04:06, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
Ah, ya caught me, coppa! EEng 05:29, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
If you're talking about copyright, the base image is close to File:Donald Trump August 2015.jpg and File:Donald Trump (16512956580).jpg, so if we somehow uncover the exact base image the cover art is taken from on Commons, it means it's a derived image off it and acceptably meets our licensing requirements. I'll have a quick spin through Commons to see if I can find it, but don't let me stop the rest of you having a look! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:43, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
He means the caption. But since there's a little FDT at the bottom of the image, I think it's appropriate to change the caption to "Fuck Donald Trump" (i.e. adding quote marks -- I've done that now in the caption above) as a gloss. The quote marks emphasize that it's a gloss -- not Wikipedia saying "Fuck Donald Trump", but rather the artist. Then we can drop the parenthetical (standing for "Fuck Donald Trump") in the hook:
ALT1 ... that rapper YG claimed his song "FDT" (cover art pictured) prompted calls from the US Secret Service, and two of its lines were partially blanked on the song's album release? Same sources as ALT0.
EEng 12:57, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
Gloss? Yes she looks like she means business. But surely the caption would have to be "Fuck Donald Trump" cover art. It's not illustrating a procedure? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:30, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
I don't mean to brandish the clipboard around and wag my pencil at you, but teh rulez say an image on the main page has got to be unquestionably free licensed with no FUR. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:36, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
Don't go wagging at me, ya schumck! "Jeez" Martinevans123 (talk) 13:47, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
In that case the gloss should go back in the hook. But first resolve the image issue for sure. EEng 14:14, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
I have looked through Commons and cannot find any match, so you'll have to do without it, unless somebody creates a replica from a free image. You could run with File:Rapper YG 2015.jpg as a complete alternative. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:19, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I agree with LlywelynII that the caption is inappropriate for the main page. If the image isn't running at all, I think you should somehow connect FDT with Donald Trump so the hook won't look so vague. Like:
  • ALT2: ... that the final track of "FDT", a protest song against the presidential candidacy of Donald Trump by rappers YG and Nipsey Hussle, has gaps where controversial lines were removed?
Yoninah (talk) 19:57, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Well, a song doesn't have tracks, and I don't think the meaning of the title should be hidden. I like "gaps", though.
  • ALT3 ... that rappers YG and Nipsey Hussle claimed their song "FDT" ("Fuck Donald Trump") prompted calls from the US Secret Service, and it has gaps in its album version where certain lines were removed?
EEng 22:25, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
@EEng: re: "final track", I copied that from the article. Yoninah (talk) 00:08, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
Ah, I see. In this context, "track" means "the song", it's not a thing of the song. I've modified the article [34]. EEng 01:08, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
I guess the intended meaning was "final cut"/ "final edit", etc? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:28, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Again, the gloss shouldn't exist at all and it's hookier to omit it anyway. ALT3 reads like two separate hooks:
  • ALT4: ... that YG and Nipsey Hussle claimed their recent song "FDT" prompted calls from the Secret Service?
  • ALT5: ... that the album version of YG and Nipsey Hussle's "FDT" has gaps owing to censorship by their label?
 — LlywelynII 12:16, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I am persuaded that A4 is by far the hookiest. EEng 18:45, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Philip III of Navarre

Stained glass window depiction of Philip
Stained glass window depiction of Philip
  • ... that Queen Joan II and King Philip III of Navarre (pictured) had to agree to step down when their eldest son or daughter reached majority, which chroniclers found shocking?
    Source: "It was stipulated that when Juana and Philip's heir, 'whether it will be a son or daughter', reached the age of twenty-one, the couple would have to step aside or pay a hefty fine of 100,000 livres. Andre Favyn found this stipulation, indeed the very idea that subjects could place limits on their sovereigns' rule, shocking." ([35])
    • ALT1:... that despite his subjects' reluctance to accept him as king, Philip III of Navarre (pictured) proved to be an effective and successful ruler?
      Source: "... the Navarrese were understandably keen to put specific limits to the powers of Juana II's husband." "Generally the perception of the reign of Juana II and her husband Philip d'Evreux by both their contemporaries and modern historians has been positive." "He took kingship seriously and worked on projects such as the amejoramiento of the law code which had a long-term benefit for the kingdom." ([36])

5x expanded by Surtsicna (talk) and Srnec (talk). Nominated by Surtsicna (talk) at 23:40, 17 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Recent fivefold expansion. Hook are both referenced to reliable sources, but the "which chroniclers found shocking" of the first hook is not in the article; so I will approve of only the second hook. No neutrality or copyright issues detected and QPQ is done. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:11, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

List of Mormon Missionary Diarists

  • Reviewed: Marc Bassingthwaighte
  • Comment: This article is the landing page for several lists (subpages) of diarists.

Created by JAGrace (BYU) (talk). Self-nominated at 19:01, 17 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Review by Maile
QPQ
  • QPQ review by JAGrace (BYU) has not been used as a QPQ on any other nomination
Eligibility
  • Article created by JAGrace (BYU) on November 16, 2016, and has 1615 characters (0 words) "readable prose size"
  • Article is NPOV, currently stable, no dispute tags
  • Acccording to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the church has 15,634,199 members, so both the article and hooks are of interest to a large audience
Sourcing
  • There are actually only 2 sources in this short article, but citations are appropriately placed and correctly formatted
  • No bare URLs, and no external links used as inline source
Hook
  • Hook is 136 characters, NPOV, stated in the article and sourced appropriately
  • ALT1 is 185 characters, NPOV, stated in the article and sourced appropriately
Image
  • No image is used in either the article or hook
Tools
  • Earwig's Copyvio Detector showed no issues of concern. What it does flag repeatedly are "James E. Talmage, and Moses Thatcher", "Brigham Young University's Harold B. Lee Library" and "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" - so no copyvio in the article.

Symbol confirmed.svg A nice short article that checks out on all DYK criteria. This is good to be promoted. — Maile (talk) 00:24, 1 December 2016 (UTC)


FHM's 100 Sexiest Women (UK)

FHM logo
FHM logo
  • ... that publicists promoted the 1999 edition of FHM's 100 Sexiest Women (FHM logo pictured) by projecting a 60 ft naked image of the TV presenter Gail Porter onto the Palace of Westminster? Source: "Publicists projected the nude image of Porter onto one of the towers at the Palace to promote a magazine poll to find the world's 100 sexiest women." (BBC News)
  • Reviewed: To follow

Moved to mainspace by A Thousand Doors (talk). Self-nominated at 14:29, 16 November 2016 (UTC).

Stealing Peaches

Created by Kingoflettuce (talk). Self-nominated at 14:02, 16 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This is my first DYK review ever, so I would not mind a second pairs of eyes on this to make sure I'm doing this right. The article was nominated to DYK within an hour of creation, so meets the "new" criterion. Above 1500 characters, so long enough. The article and the sourcing look excellent, but I have to assume good faith, as all of them appear to either be in print or require purchase for an electronic copy. The hook is definitely short enough and appears in the article with an inline citation. QPQ requirement met. My only concern is that I think the hook could appeal to a broader audience if there was just a teensy bit more context, such as explaining what "Stealing Peaches" is (a short story). What do you think? Mz7 (talk) 05:36, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
great idea Mz7. Alt1: ... that the Pu Songling short story "Stealing Peaches" describes the Indian rope trick? Kingoflettuce (talk) 13:53, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
  • @Kingoflettuce: Symbol voting keep.svg Yes, that's exactly along the lines of what I was thinking. ALT-1 looks good to go! (Note: I made a very minor copyedit: put quotation marks around "Stealing Peaches") Mz7 (talk) 20:49, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Schedule C appointment

Source: "Schedule C appointments are considered to be the lowest level of political appointments." [37]; "Schedule C and other appointees sometimes attempt to transfer to a career position in the competitive service, excepted service, or Senor Executive Service. This practice, known as 'burrowing in'..." [38]

Created by Antony-22 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:23, 16 November 2016 (UTC).

  • The article has been created recently: Green tickY
  • The article is long enough: Green tickY
  • The hook is interesting: Green tickY
  • The hook is referenced: Green tickY
  • The hook is below 200 characters: Green tickY
  • A google search does not reveal any copyright violation: Green tickY (Though the Politico reference is paraphrased quite closely, it doesn't seem to be actual copying)
  • The article follows most other important policies: Green tickY
  • QPQ: Green tickY (Don't forget to sign your review)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Looks good to go for me. Meets all qualifications and is quite an interesting, niche but relevant topic. SounderBruce 01:08, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Gaius Antonius Hybrida

  • ... that in spite of being expelled from the Senate, Gaius Antonius Hybrida would go on to become Consul - the highest elected office in the Roman Republic?[b]
    • ALT1:... that being expelled from the Senate did not prevent Gaius Antonius Hybrida from later becoming a Consul?

Improved to Good Article status by Mr rnddude (talk). Self-nominated at 05:25, 16 November 2016 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg New GA from within seven days of the nomination. Although the GA review can be accepted in good faith (and this one looks like it was pretty thorough), a quick read-through indicates no issues concerning citations, neutrality, or plagiarism. The hook details are cited with offline sources accepted in good faith and the hook itself is of an appropriate length. Personally I think that ALT1 is phrased better (I like conciseness), but the original better emphasizes what is interesting about this hook, so maybe a combination of the two would be good? In any case, they both meet the DYK criteria, and nominator does not have any previous DYK contributions, so QPQ does not apply. This one should be good to go. Canadian Paul 13:26, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

  • ALT2: ... that expulsion from the Senate did not prevent Gaius Antonius Hybrida from attaining the highest elected office in the Roman Republic?
  • ALT3: ... that Gaius Antonius Hybrida was first expelled from the Senate, then elected to the highest office in the Roman Republic?
  • Canadian Paul - Would alt 2 or 3 be more like what you're looking for? The original is 162 char long, alt 1 is 114 char long, alt 2 is 144 char long and alt 3 is a 130 characters long. If I was picking, Alt 2 has more clinical wording, alt 3 is just the shortest I could get it to be succinct yet still convey the main point. Mr rnddude (talk) 15:47, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Personally, I think that ALT2 is best... in fact better than what I had in mind originally, but both ALT2 and ALT3 are good. Canadian Paul 11:59, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
  1. ^ The highest elected position in Rome.[1]
  2. ^ Cited information1;Later, in 63 B.C., he was elected as consul[a] Cited information2;the censors Gellius and Lentulus expelled Hybrida from the Senate for the criminal offences committed by him while in Greece, for disobeying the summons of a praetor and for the wasteful use of his property[2]


  1. ^ Brucia, Margaret; Daugherty, Gregory (2007). To be a Roman: Topics in Roman Culture. Bolchazy-Carducci Publishers. p. 80. ISBN 0-865-16633-1. 
  2. ^ Biographical Dictionary, Volume 3. Longman. 1843. p. 98. 

John Dominis Holt II

  • Reviewed: Swaziland national cricket team
  • Comment: I've created an article on his grandson with the same name but I don't want to combine the two hooks. Please promote on separate days.

Created by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 13:08, 16 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg There are multiple issues with the article. The independent notability of the article firstly comes to question as its unlikely to grow beyond the stub version we have at present. At just 402 words I believe both this article and his grandson is easily merged into a single article about the Holt family. The lead should summarize the article body. The references are scattered and makes it hard to understand. I would say consider all of this and see if the article can be presented with independent notability. —IB [ Poke ] 14:13, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg The above "review" does not qualify as QPQ, as it does not touch on any of the requirements of a review. This article is not a stub. This a new article that the DYK Check says is 2434 characters (0 words) "readable prose size". That puts it well past the 1500 minimum required for DYK. It was created new on November 16, 2016, passing the 7-day nomination requirement. Of course the references are scattered. They're supposed to be throughout the paragraphs. Every paragraph is sourced, meeting that requirement of DYK. Earwig's tool shows no copyvio problem. This nomination meets all requirements of DYK to pass. @KAVEBEAR: Please supply an alt hook. I think becoming a Democrat is not that hooky, but his being a founding member of the Democrats is hooky. Something like that. — Maile (talk) 14:26, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • And I have clearly mentioned that the notability of the article is in question, when we know that it won't be growing beyond whatever is present. I have even suggested that maybe a meaty article for the Holt family would be better. This comes under the QPQ only. —IB [ Poke ] 14:35, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I disagree with your opinion on the issue of notability and I don't agree with a merge or writing family articles to be honest. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 15:11, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Per DYK Reviewing guide — Maile (talk) 16:03, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • @IndianBio: I saw the post at WT:DYK about this review, and I would also have raised concerns. You have raised a notability issue, and it is reasonable to put off doing the full review until that is addressed. In this case, KAVEBEAR does not agree there is a notability issue, so if you think your view would prevail, start an AfD. However, the review does not address the review criteria, and if an AfD were closed as keep, I would expect to see the criteria addressed to claim a QPQ... which is somewhat pointless / moot now that Maile66 has done it. The issue of inadequate QPQ reviews is unresolved, so I will post further at WT:DYK to seek community consensus. Kavebear, I think Maile's request for an ALT is sensible and the referencing looks odd to me, but absent an AfD which delays a decision, I suggest you carry out towards getting the tick. EdChem (talk) 01:35, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
  • EdChem are you speaking about the mid paragraph citations as odd as IndianBio brought up? I think that in itself is a common practice on articles even FAC and GA. Or are you speaking about how multiple sources are bundled looking odd? I recently adopted that to prevent overcitation and minimize excessive similar footnotes. This is also common practice on feature quality articles[39]... I am not oppose to an AfD discussion to establish notability; I am less willing to just except one editor's opinion. And if the consensus is this figure is non-notable, I rather redirect it to his grandson's article than create a Holt family article. KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:01, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Kavebear, citation placement is fine and totally typical, IMO. Bundling of references is what I was thinking about, and I agree that having multiple sources in one reference can be appropriate. On fist glance, it looks odd in this case, something that I would look at more carefully if I was the reviewer, but not necessarily a problem. When I do it, though, I put a line break between each reference, something like references 19 and 23 in the James Bryant Conant FA. I'm not asking you to do anything in particular, just observing what struck me when I saw the article. As for the AfD, it is the path open to IB to address a notability claim or maybe posting to the article talk page – but I don't think a review raising it and not addressing the criteria is ok. And I don't think an AfD will result in deletion, but that's just my view. EdChem (talk) 02:33, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Uninvolved input requested. EdChem (talk) 02:25, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new enough, long enough, and free of copyvio or close paraphrasing. No image used. Hook is long enough and interesting enough, particularly in its quirkiness. Hook is correctly cited to several RS, namely the Hawaiian Star and other newspapers. I respect the concern the original reviewer had with notability, though, disagree with it. All other criteria met. If not other objection, GTG. Great job, KAVEBEAR! (I credit this review to the original reviewer.) LavaBaron (talk) 03:21, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg LavaBaron, please don't try to make this about you. This nomination is not GTG, at least because the hook is not supported directly in the article by an inline citation (a DYK requirement) and the meaning of the "with a prince" part is unclear. EdChem (talk) 03:29, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Please don't try to impugn my motivation. Now, to your constructive comments: the hook is perfectly clear. David was a Hawai'ian prince. They both became Democrats together. Not sure what's not clear.
And the hook content within the article (the three sentences beginning with "after" and continuing to "loyal Hawaiian") is immediately followed by a citation. But, if you prefer to hold this excellent nomination up to host the Model UN, be my guest, I defer from further review. I have limited time to devote to WP and prefer to spend it creating content, not lawyering over the finer points of wikilaw. It's all yours. LavaBaron (talk) 03:39, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks LavaBaron...Addressing the problem raised about the sentence and citation. I went ahead and switched around two sentences so the one with the hook can sit close to the citations since the part about the business was in the way. I am not particularly a fan of the whole the hook must be captured within a sentence and must be followed directly by a citation rule. And also the reason why I haven't suggested an ALT hook yet is that I think the original hook would be a quirky one and a prince is literally linked to David Kawananakoa's article so I am not sure why that is misleading. Should we quality it with the addition of "former".--KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:07, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
You're welcome and no problem. I'd green-tick this now but it's become clear this is a DYK scalp-collecting mission and not a legitimate review critique you're being subjected to so any green ticks I apply will probably be futile. Sorry you have to deal with it but good luck and, once again, great article. LavaBaron (talk) 04:15, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
KAVEBEAR, my confusion is over the "with" – how does one become a Democrat with someone else? Is it something to do with the founding? I don't doubt the prince was a prince. As for the immediate inline citation, whether it is a good requirement or not is not a topic for here. I haven't done a full review or formed a view on the article, but I do recognise that LavaBaron's actions in the broader situation are unhelpful, and getting the hook promoted then challenged in a queue for an unambiguous issue (no matter what you think of the underlying rule) is not in your interest. EdChem (talk) 04:37, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
I see...They were part of the same delegation representing the Territory of Hawaii to the 1900 Democratic Convention. I'm gonna suggest this alt hook for now given this room for misunderstanding...I'm not particularly interested in the dispute (it's unfortunate that it has to happen because of this nom) and generally don't like arguing about non-content topics, but I will try addressing problems with this nomination and the article content to my best ability. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:46, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that Hawaiian Colonel John Dominis Holt served as a delegate to the Democratic National Convention with a prince?
I'm gonna leave out the year and link to the convention for hookiness since we have just held a DNC and finished an election year here in the US.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:50, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Re hook content: from what I can see from sources, the prince is listed as one of 5 founding members of the Hawaiian Democratic party (see that article) and Holt is not, though reports confirm they were both delegates to the national convention and at the first state convention. Maybe something lik "... that the inaugural convention of Hawaiian Democrats chose Colonel John Dominis Holt and a prince as a delegates to the National Convention?" I think if the article describes Holt as a founding member, the sourcing needs to be solid. From what I have read, your ALT1 is solid,and ALT0 may or may not be supported. EdChem (talk) 06:32, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Yes, by the strictest definition of "founding member" as the original men who founded the party at its inception, he will not be considered so. I think I meant that he was an early member in that context. I think my train of thought was that since party was founded in 1900, the year the Territory was organized and as one of the earliest member, he can be interpreted as a founding member of the party. I will change tweak it some more. And I will strike the original hook. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:40, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Also based on The Paradise of the Pacific, I am not the only one: "The royalist cause was lost. But John Dominis Holt II (grandfather of the historian), Prince David Kawanana- koa, William H. Cornwell, John Wise and Clarence Ashford were to make a historic decision to carry on the fight for the rights of the citizens of a broken Hawaiian nation under the new circumstances of annexation. They founded the Democratic Party of Hawaii, which not until over a half century later, in 1962, when John A. Burns became Governor..."--KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:48, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg ALT1 is fine. I already did the rest of the review above. Ready...set...to go. — Maile (talk) 22:03, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

John Dominis Holt, IV

  • Reviewed: Don Martina
  • Comment: I've created an article on his grandfather with the same name but I don't want to combine the two hooks. Please promote on separate days.

Created by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 13:07, 16 November 2016 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 17[edit]

Stöber process

Aerogel thermal insulator protecting a flower from a Bunsen burner
Aerogel thermal insulator protecting a flower from a Bunsen burner
  • Reviewed: QPQ to follow
  • Comment: Either of the images might be better if cropped. EdChem's preference is for ALT0.
  • Sources: That the Stöber process can results in silica aerogels under the right conditions: page 368
    That aerogels are powerful thermal insulators: page 368
    That a silica aerogel was used on a Mars rover: page 315
    That the Stöber process can produce mesoporous silica nanoparticles: [40] and [41]
    That they have biosensor applications: [42]
    That they have intracellular drug delivery applications: [43]
    That NASA used the nickname "solid blue smoke": [44]
    That the density of a Stöber process aerogel can be near the density of air: [45] and [46]

5x expanded by Imminent77 (talk) and EdChem (talk). Nominated by EdChem (talk) at 10:48, 23 November 2016 (UTC).

A "solid blue smoke" aerogel
A "solid blue smoke" aerogel
  • A remark on the hooks: they should not be attempting to summarise the article, but just have one hooky fact that will lure the reader to click. All the 3 hooks here have an extra "and" attached clause to say something extra. It will be better if you say the hook in one clause. Otherwise the exciting bit is the part that does not mention the Stöber process. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:49, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svgI will note that the article is big enough and expanded by about 10 times. Correct people are credited. Still awaiting QPQ. Although pictures are used they do not directly relate to the Stöber process, and the areogel in the pics may not even be from the Stöber process. On the copyright violation side of things one sentence is pinched, "with a blue cast from Rayleigh scattering that appears...." although a quote, a quote is not needed and the facts can be expressed in other words. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:02, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Pre-collisional Himalaya

  • ... that pre-collisional Himalaya is the arrangement of the layers of rocks prior the the collision of India with Asia that formed the Himalaya? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Moved to mainspace by 11lawpt1 (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 04:07, 23 November 2016 (UTC).

Lesser Himalayan Strata

  • ... that the Lesser Himalayan Strata lies between the Main Boundary Thrust and the Main Central Thrust? Source: try to find this in Upreti, B. N. (1999). An overview of the stratigraphy and tectonics of the Nepal Himalaya
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: Ed Rush
  • Comment: 17 nov

Moved to mainspace by Yuen919 (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 03:31, 23 November 2016 (UTC).

Tectonic evolution of the Aravalli Mountains

  • ... that the Aravalli Mountains contains deformed rocks? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1':... that the Aravalli oceanic basin disappeared leaving behind the seafloor as the Aravalli Supergroup? Source:Mckenzie and also the Rao reference

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