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OR / lack of references[edit]

Shaddack, please check the guidelines on verifiability and on citing sources - there is a system for formatting citations, which is much easier for the reader to follow than just in-line web links. Be sure to back up contentious claims with references, and where the claims themselves are made by somebody without their providing direct, irrefutable evidence, be clear about that.

Also be careful about adding your own speculation (so-called "original research"), and about using emotive language. (e.g. "blatantly" is a word with little semantic content but a lot of emotive value, and one which does not really belong in an encyclopaedia).

That said, welcome and thanks for the contributions. -Kieran (talk) 21:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

The sentence in question was paraphrased from the Tibetian Review article listed below. Agree it should've been referenced as such. Sentence redone as a direct quote. Also sourced the other tagged claim, from the same newspaper article. Should look at the citation later, did not read that chapter of the manual yet. Help, perhaps, please? --Shaddack (talk) 23:26, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
OK, I don't have much time to work on this right now, but I've formatted the first reference to give you a template to work from. The <ref></ref> tags generate the footnote/back reference (in conjunction with the <references/> tag which generates the references list). If you want to cite a reference multiple times, give it a name (like I've done), and just call it again using an empty ref tag with the same name attribute (e.g: <ref name="elgan"/>. The {{cite}} template provides standardised formatting for the reference entries, as well as guidelines as to what fields to include. There's a whole family of citation templates for different types of sources, though I suspect you'll primarily be using the news template I put in. Good luck. -Kieran (talk) 10:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Tried to work on it a bit. Did some references. The 10,000s...300,000 figures are difficult to properly reference as they are repeated many many times, estimated wildly, and strewn across the sources. Perhaps do it a little later, me or somebody else...? Does it look acceptable as it is now? --Shaddack (talk) 22:06, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Is it relevant to Russian "Web brigades"?[edit]

I am placing here older version of Web brigades to discuss their relevance to Chinese brigades. I believe they are basically the same. Please use some references about Chinese teams.

Non-WP:TALK content removed by User:Benlisquare.

Biophys (talk) 21:23, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Try not to copypaste entire articles onto the talk namespace. It is not what they are for. Create a subpage under your own userpage, or use your own sandbox, for example, User:Biophys/50 Cent Party or User:Biophys/Sandbox. I am giving you ten (10) days to copy the above text, before I will delete it, as per Wikipedia policy, refer to WP:TALK and WP:NOT. -- 李博杰  | Talk contribs email 12:34, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Re: Again, as per WP:TALK and WP:NOT, I have the entitlement to delete your addition to the talk page, as talk pages are not used for content repositories, they are for discussing articles. I am providing you with nine (9) days to copypaste your text somewhere else, if you wish to do so, so that you do not lose any data you wish to keep. It also appears that you have a misinterpretation of the WP:CIV policy, which only applies to talk comments which fit into the category of actual legitimate talk, as defined in WP:TALK; creating a repository does not come under WP:CIV in this case, but rather WP:NOT, or even "If a rule prevents you from improving Wikipedia, then WP:IAR", which completely negates WP:CIV in this case, as 18,000 bytes on a talk page which is clearly not talk is disruptive to general processes on Wikipedia, and so such action by me is unquestionably non-controversial. -- 李博杰  | Talk contribs email 05:37, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Removing text, do not re-apply as per above. -- 李博杰  | Talk contribs email 12:59, 24 June 2011 (UTC)


Surely Wu Mao Dang is a better name:

1) '50 cent' is a colloquial and inaccurate translation, cent is 'fen' not 'mao'.

2) The translation is US-centric, as other English-speaking countries do not use cents.

3) Potential confusion with the rapper. FOARP (talk) 10:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Support. Some may confuse this with a political party created by 50 Cent (rapper) (hehe, a party so badass it gon' put a cap in yo' ass :P lol), and such a name is not official in any way. "Wu Mao Dang" is the generally recognised term. -- 李博杰  | Talk contribs email 12:41, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose to renaming. This is good and telling name per sources.Biophys (talk) 01:09, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose. 50 cent party gets more hits.
  • Oppose. 5 mao equals 50 fen, so "50-cent party" is an accurate translation. Maybe "five-dime party" and "five-decacent party" are more accurate translations, but they are uncommon in English. "50 cent party" is definitely the most common name in English, such as [1], [2], [3], and [4]. --Yejianfei (talk) 17:49, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Name[edit]

Surely Wu Mao Dang is a better name:

1) '50 cent' is a colloquial and inaccurate translation, cent is 'fen' not 'mao'.

2) The translation is US-centric, as other English-speaking countries do not use cents.

3) Potential confusion with the rapper. FOARP (talk) 10:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Support. Some may confuse this with a political party created by 50 Cent (rapper) (hehe, a party so badass it gon' put a cap in yo' ass :P lol), and such a name is not official in any way. "Wu Mao Dang" is the generally recognised term. -- 李博杰  | Talk contribs email 12:41, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose to renaming. This is good and telling name per sources.Biophys (talk) 01:09, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose. 50 cent party gets more hits.
  • Support. It's not a real party, but a concept for a bunch of mercenary trolls, and thus the name loses somewhat its meaning in translation. As with many terms that defy translation, it ought to be renamed "Wumao". The term already has broad usage in the west. -- Ohc ¡digame! 11:28, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose. 5 mao equals 50 fen, so "50-cent party" is an accurate translation. Maybe "five-dime party" and "five-decacent party" are literally more accurate translations, but they are uncommon in English. "50-cent party" is definitely the most common name in English, such as [5], [6], [7], and [8]. "Dollar" and "cent" are not US centric. On the contrary, most of the countries use the "dollar" and "cent" as there currency units, such as the Canadian dollar, the Australian dollar, the New Zealand dollar, and even the Hong Kong dollar and the New Taiwan dollar. Even the countries that do not use dollar can still use cent, such as euro cent (1 euro = 100 euro cents). --Yejianfei (talk) 18:01, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Why not "50 cents"?[edit]

Is it referenced with this name? I think it is "Chinglish". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.96.92.197 (talk) 00:09, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I think the cent in this case is used as an adjective for party, and the 50 is an adjective for cent. Cent is used as a collective adjective (not sure if that's the correct term), so it doesn't need to be plural. - M0rphzone (talk) 06:31, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

yes, you are correct, that is very typical chinglish. it should be "fifty cents party". the more proper way should be "party of fifty cents". --Bgggongfei (talk) 04:58, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

  • You're all wrong. It's either "50 Cent Party" or "50 Cents' Party". In English, attributives must be singular, and if you want to use the possessive case you must add an apostrophe. Regardless, the former is the term preferred by the relevant sources. Tooironic (talk) 13:23, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
@Bgggongfei: You are wrong. It should be "50-cent party". For example, The boy is five years old, but he is a five-year-old boy, not a five-years-old boy. --Yejianfei (talk) 03:55, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Range and Effects[edit]

I've separated and added a section in the article. As a Chinese living aboard, I've find the opinions have been heavily slanted against anyone even moderately supportive of anything Chinese government. I've made the section to 1. separate the "History" section and the current happenings; and 2. to add some objective perspective into what is actually "wumao" and who are thought to be but really aren't.

I find it increasingly annoying when anything I say in regards China is almost automatically classified as a almost "bot" action. Rumors of millions strong Chinese Internet army I think, is the culpit, I'd like to rebuttal to that perception.

So please, if you are to make changes to my contribution, please let me know. Thanks.Gw2005 (talk) 03:53, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

  • "Pro-party comments claim that the term is sometimes extended to discredit anyone who posts an excessively patriotic comment about China online." 174.113.134.157 (talk) 02:53, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
    • Gw2005 Wikipedia is the encyclopaedia that anyone can edit. There is merely obligation to follow consensus, community policy, which includes matters such as proper citation, forbidding advocacy. There is absolutely no obligation to alert another contributior when making any changes. -- Ohc ¡digame! 11:37, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for contribution. Adding some relevant contents about 50 cent party in 2017 and 2018 would be better!FangzhuLu (talk) 05:06, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Terms[edit]

I added the "Terms" section for the article. Like Chinese version of this article, the article is for Internet commentator (网络评论员) / 50 Cent Party (五毛党), the "Internet commentator" called by Chinese govt is exactly equivalent to "50 Cent Party" called by Chinese netizens. These various names and the critique of the pejorative unofficial terms should be in the "Terms" section. But when you write the history of Internet commentator / 50CP, the name is not important.

I also delete the comment based on "Imagined Communities" (乌有之乡). This user-generated and radical leftist site is not reliable.

Also, you may read this Invisible footprints of online commentators published by the English version of China-based semi-official media Global Times(the Chinese version will never publish it). This report may help a lot.--Tomchen1989 (talk) 21:56, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


Internet Water Army[edit]

This is likely an alt name for the same phenomenon, right? Ref. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 18:53, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank for pointing this out. I've stubbed a new article because the Wangluo shuijun phenomenon is under private rather than government control. It will need work and perhaps you'd like to help. Keahapana (talk) 02:17, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Not "50 Cent Army"?[edit]

I thought I remembered it that way... -- megA (talk) 20:31, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

this article should maintain a distinction between "commenters" and "commentators", there is a difference[edit]

The paid posters this article describes are being paid for slipping "comments" into discussions, not for writing "commentary". The article should refer to them as "commenters" rather than commentators 66.108.207.141 (talk) 12:51, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Wumao is not, nor has it ever been "50 cents"[edit]

Wu mao is five cents, which is the amount that people in China are accused of being paid (sardonically, so it's probably beyond most americans).

This is not a "translation" thing; it's stupidity: Wu mao is wu mao is wu mao, and it is always 5 cents (wu is 5, not 50 -- 50 is wu shi, and there isn't a wushi dang).

If the writer of the page thinks he's being artistic or creative by not understanding simple, single-digit integers, he's wrong. He's being an idiot -- and more than a third of the world's population will recognise him as an idiot.

I can't be arsed to go through the whole page to correct all the instances, but it should be corrected by the person who decided to misinterpret a simple (and sardonic/sarcastic) number. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.10.147.70 (talk) 23:35, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

See 50 Cent Party#cite_note-mao-39. 5 Mao (毛, or formally, jiao (角)) = 0.5 Yuan (元, Chinese basic currency unit, Chinese "dollar") = 50 Fen (分, Chinese "cent"). In Chinese, "US cent" is called US Fen (美分, mei fen) --Tomchen1989 (talk) 08:38, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Concur with Tomchen1898. This is similarly translated to all other mandarin/chinese speaking countries - wumao -> 五毛 -> 50cents, as easily verified on Google translate as well:. Zhanzhao (talk) 00:22, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
五元 (wu yuan) means 5 dollars. 五毛 (wu mao) means 5 dimes (=50 cents). 五分 (wu fen) means 5 cents. --Yejianfei (talk) 04:00, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Dear anonymous German IP[edit]

Kindly stop reverting my additions to the lede. The Epoch Times is not a reliable source on the Chinese government, and the added links you inserted added nothing new. Furthermore, they are outdated sources superseded by a recent peer researched Harvard journal.--LucasGeorge (talk) 10:56, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

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50 cent as a tool to dehumanize and bully chinese and/or asian.[edit]

this article attempt to present itself as if it is fact, whereas in reality this term is largely use against people without prove. it is casually throw at asian people who may not even be from PRC or are even chinese. the racist aspect of the term and it use for bullying people. this need to be addressed. at anyone time if a westerner disagree with a chinese, they just link this article on wiki to dehumanize their opinion. so the article must cover this negative and racist use. wikipedia should not become a tool for promoting hate, it should be use to educated people why they should not make baseless accusation just because they have the majority advantage. Akinkhoo (talk) 08:35, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

This article is based on evidence and reliable sources. Your comment is merely POV, and this does not belong into Wikipedia.--Peterpens (talk) 11:29, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, no, Peterpens. The article is not worth anything, Your are still wrong here spreading anti-Chinese propaganda. --Pentachlorphenol (talk) 11:52, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

User Pentachlorphenol has reverted my article with the comment "This propaganda paper is not an acceptable source at all."

Epoch Times is a credible source but censored in China because it publishes information about the Chinese government. We have to make sure that Wikipedia stays free and does not follow the censorship like in the PRC (China).

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=50_Cent_Party&diff=804828353&oldid=804663096

This article should be semi-locked to avoid further manipulation.--Peterpens (talk) 07:23, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Reporter has now been indef-blocked. On independent review, page protection does not appear warranted at this time. Yunshui  10:30, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
  • The Epoch Times is not a reliable source. It has a definite political agenda, which is the overthrow of the CPC, and is therefor seldom cited by WP editors, except to explain or to source the position of the Falun Gong, of which it is a de facto mouthpiece; it's no more reliable than China Daily, or any other [state-controlled] mainland Chinese media FWIW. On the other hand, I'd point out that you don't have to be Chinese to be a "wumao", because it's not only a state of mind, but because CPC has deep pockets for their "soft power" projection. -- Ohc ¡digame! 11:17, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
  • The Epoch Times is banned because it's directly operated by Falun Gong, a cult that rejects modern medicine and hates homosexuals. They also operate China Uncensored, a white guy spreading manipulated facts about China and Chinese people that have nothing to do with politics. They normally hatred, racism, splittism. Moreover, there is Shenyun, a sect gathering disguised as a cultural festival but with graphic depictions of so-called "oppression" to lure people to their side. Definitely not appropriate for children. Finally, we have New Tang Dynasty, also controled by the same cult, represented by American-born Chinese, who teach you something about "real" Chinese culture like they lived it. Keep in mind that all these people haven't been to China for decades or, if we are talking about those youngsters, have never been to China at all because they have been blacklisted like their parents. Any person that claims they are reliable just doesn't know them. They obviously don't get their facts from within China. It is abhorrent that YouTube gives them a platform to spread fake propaganda and anyone who shows signs of being positive towards Chinese people (not only the government) is met with wumao comments. That's why China banned YouTube. At least Chinese state-controled media is based in mainland China. Think about who is more credible. --94.134.89.128 (talk) 21:21, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Pro-PRC POV / censoring of critics in German Wikipedia[edit]

In German Wikipedia there have been various reverts done by users which claim to only accept "credible sources" or argue that criticism against the UN, WHO, Interpol which mentions Taiwan does not belong into the articles. Although there is no evidence, it looks like a manipulation in favour of the PRC is going on there. We should discuss here if we add this observation in to the article of 50 Cent Party.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Schiedsgericht/Anfragen/Auffälliges_Lösch-_bzw._Kommentarverhalten_bei_kritischen_Artikeln_über_die_Volksrepublik_China --Peterpens (talk) 07:31, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

You have been banned on the German Wikipedia due to vandalism in favor of Falun Gong, a sect with a personality cult. That says it all. Please do everyone a favor and do something constructive with your life. --94.134.89.128 (talk) 21:26, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

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