Talk:God: Difference between revisions

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
m (Undid. Gonna assume that's a good-faith mistake.)
(Replaced content with 'Doesnt Exist')
(Tag: talk page blanking)
Line 1: Line 1:
{{skiptotoctalk}}
 
  +
Doesnt Exist
{{talkheader}}
 
{{ArticleHistory
 
|action1=FAC
 
|action1date=22 November 2005
 
|action1link=Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/God/archive1
 
|action1result=failed
 
|action1oldid=28927356
 
 
|action2=GAN
 
|action2date=13 December 2005
 
|action2link=
 
|action2result=listed
 
|action2oldid=31230288
 
 
|action3=GAR
 
|action3date=19:27, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 
|action3link=Talk:God/GA1
 
|action3result=delisted
 
|action3oldid=268282994
 
 
|currentstatus=DGA|topic=Philrelig}}
 
{{WPB|1=
 
{{WPReligion||class=B|importance=Top}}
 
{{WikiProject Judaism|class=B|importance=high}}
 
{{Spirituality project|class=B}}
 
{{philosophy|religion=yes|class=B|importance=high}}
 
{{Christianity WikiProject|class=B|importance=high|catholicism=yes|catholicism-importance=top|anglicanism=yes|anglicanism-importance=low|bible=yes}}
 
{{WikiProject Islam|class=B|importance=Top}}
 
{{WPBF|class=B|importance=}}
 
}}
 
{{VA|topic=Religion|level=3|class=B}}
 
{{WP1.0|v0.5=pass|class=B|category=Philrelig|VA=yes|coresup=yes|WPCD=yes}}
 
{{Talk Spoken Wikipedia|God_Article_Spoken_2008.ogg|2008-01-06}}
 
{{notaforum}}
 
{{User:MiszaBot/config
 
|archiveheader = {{Talkarchivenav}}
 
|maxarchivesize = 200K
 
|counter = 21
 
|algo = old(21d)
 
|archive = Talk:God/Archive %(counter)d
 
}}
 
{{User:HBC Archive Indexerbot/OptIn
 
|target=Talk:God/Archive index
 
|mask=Talk:God/Archive <#>
 
|leading_zeros=0
 
|indexhere=yes}}
 
 
== The article is using theism for two different conclusions when it could be better expressed using agnostic-theism and gnostic-theism. ==
 
 
"Conclusions reached include: "God does not exist" (strong atheism); "God almost certainly does not exist"[16] (de facto atheism); "no one knows whether God exists" (agnosticism); "God exists, but this cannot be proven or disproven" ('''theism'''); and "God exists and this can be proven" ('''theism'''). There are numerous variations on these positions."
 
 
It's using theism for two completely different views.
 
 
"It is often put forth as a middle ground between theism and atheism,[1] though it is not a religious declaration in itself and the terms are not mutually exclusive. Agnosticism refers to knowledge, while atheism and theism refer to belief" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism
 
 
So with that it should be:
 
 
"Conclusions reached include: "God does not exist" (strong atheism); "God almost certainly does not exist"[16] (de facto atheism); "no one knows whether God exists" (agnosticism); "God exists, but this cannot be proven or disproven" ('''agnostic-theism'''); and "God exists and this can be proven" ('''gnostic-theism'''). There are numerous variations on these positions."
 
 
== Anthropomorphism (Xenophanes' mockery) ==
 
 
A quick note ... that I have (awkwardly:) responded to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=God&diff=309616526&oldid=309569185 insertion of mention of Xenophanes' mockery of the concept as the 1st sentence of an existing 1st paragraph on the concept] by pulling it up into a new first "paragraph" (while it is determined how to work this into the topic).Why? Because a disjointed (unflowed) criticism of a conception should certainly not just be jammed onto the front of an existing first paragraph.
 
 
In general, there is a (understandable) tendency to be lazy about sentence flow when inserting information&mdash;but inserting a critical perspective at the beginning of a topic could be perceived as rhetorical.
 
 
I.E., Let us ponder how this information/perspective/commentary should be worked into the section. [[User:Proofreader77|Proofreader77]] ([[User talk:Proofreader77|talk]]) 19:39, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:'''Follow-up''': Removed because of topic (see below). [[User:Proofreader77|Proofreader77]] ([[User talk:Proofreader77|talk]]) 20:48, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 
 
;NOTE "Scientific positions regarding God"
 
 
Whether "Anthropomorphism" should be a subtopic of "Scientific positions regarding God," is an interesting question ... but at this time it is, and the discussion is (apparently) covering "scientific" sources. Since Xenophanes' mockery is philosophy rather than science, I have removed it at this time. [[User:Proofreader77|Proofreader77]] ([[User talk:Proofreader77|talk]]) 20:48, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== Quick question... (note: "Dumnezeu" redirects here) ==
 
 
<small>[EDIT TO ADD NOTE TO TOPIC TITLE]</small> [[User:Proofreader77|Proofreader77]] ([[User talk:Proofreader77|talk]]) 16:43, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 
 
What religion/language is the name Dumnezeu out of?
 
 
I started typing in random letters in Google, and that popped up.
 
 
Decided to Wikipedia it, because as we know, ''everything'' is in Wikipedia, and it redirected here...without any other mention of the name.
 
 
So...what's it out of? [[User:Fruckert|Fruckert]] ([[User talk:Fruckert|talk]]) 07:23, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:NOTE: Googling it would give you the link to the '''ro.wikipedia''' entry (Romanian language Wikipedia) ... "Dumnezeu" is (apparently) the Romanian word for God. '''Google translate''' will give you a sufficient English language translation of that article to answer the question.
 
 
:When you searched with "Go" in '''en.wikipedia''' (this, English Wikipedia) ... you arrived at this article because there is a '''"redirect"''' of that word to this page. (See top of article page underneath "God"). The person who created the "redirect" did so because it is the Romanian word for God. NOTE: If you click the small word "Dumnezeu" that will take you to the redirected page. If you check [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dumnezeu&action=history the history of that page], you will see that the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dumnezeu&oldid=48605239 previous version] was not a redirect, but a few words saying it's the Romanian word for God. The reason it was changed to a redirect (which can be confusing) rather than the more understandable short sentence is a somewhat complicated matter. BOTTOM LINE: This ('''en.Wikipedia''') is the English language Wikipedia. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a dictionary and certainly not a "foreign language" dictionary :) ... Which is to say that there shouldn't be article about the Romanian word for God in the English language Wikipedia. '''LOL (So complicated)''' [[User:Proofreader77|Proofreader77]] ([[User talk:Proofreader77|talk]]) 16:38, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 
--[[User:Ggggchen|Ggggchen]] ([[User talk:Ggggchen|talk]]) 02:25, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== Correction under NAMES OF GOD. Elohim is used incorrectly. ==
 
 
Elohim does not mean strong or strengh rather its use acts as an ordinary plural of the word Eloah (אלוה), and refers to the polytheistic notion of multiple gods (for example, Exodus 20:3, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me.").
 
 
This may reflect the use of the word "Elohim" found in the late Bronze Age texts of Canaanite Ugarit, where Elohim ('lhm) denoted the entire Canaanite pantheon (the family of El אל, the patriarchal creator god)El ats as an ordinary singular word for one. GOD is ONE THEE ONE AND ONLY. Thee all mighty GOD. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.212.58.26|70.212.58.26]] ([[User talk:70.212.58.26|talk]]) 03:57, 6 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
 
 
 
== Etymology and usage ==
 
 
You also need to mention that the term God can be derived from to the term Goda of the (Y)Ezids (X = G in the Kurdish spelling). This group has a lot of similairities with Judaism and have probably the same background. Today Kurds as wel as Persians name the lord als Goda. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freedomwrighter|Freedomwrighter]] ([[User talk:Freedomwrighter|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freedomwrighter|contribs]]) 17:25, 12 November 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 

Revision as of 14:22, 18 November 2009

Doesnt Exist