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what kind of impact did the neritic zone have? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.242.130.148 (talk) 18:01, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Your question is unclear, especially because it is set in the past. By the way, just so you know, we are not here to do your homework for you. Invertzoo (talk) 22:43, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Smaller than Littoral zone#Sublittoral zone![edit]

I have switched Sublittoral zone from Littoral zone#Sublittoral zone to here, but turns out to be shorter although the “main article”. At the least, someone could copy that material to here, maybe thin it out there? PJTraill (talk) 21:33, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

These are inaccurate changes. Sublittoral zone is better redirected to a section in Littoral zone, since the Sublittoral zone is a sub zone of the littoral. While the sublittoral is closely related to the Neritic zone, the terms are used in different contexts, and are not identical. You have copied material from the Littoral zone and inserted it awkwardly and inappropriately into the Neritic zone. You have then festooned your copy with unsightly and distracting tags. If you think these various citations and clarifications need to be there, then why haven't you made them yourself? You're the one who added the material. --Epipelagic (talk) 06:11, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
I am sorry to have been a nuisance and thereby upset you (somewhat); I was acting in good faith, trying to improve the organisation and presentation of the information. Various points:
  • We are referring to my changes at [1].
  • While I address myself to Epipelagic as “you”, anyone else qualified could obviously pick up my suggestions/requests.
  • I acted because another article referred me to Littoral zone#Sublittoral zone, which said the main article was Neritic zone, which turned out to give less information, not more.
    • I therefore, acting on the assumption that the articles Neritic zone and Littoral zone#Sublittoral zone were accurate and the terms synonymous, merged the latter (not changing it) into the former.
    • I gather from you that this was wrong, as they are not really the same, and see you have since changed Littoral zone#Sublittoral zone to reflect that.
    • Perhaps you could add an explanation in an appropriate place of the distinction between the usage of Neritic and Sublittoral zone?
    • I apologise if the resulting Neritic zone includes inappropriate material
  • As a layman, I felt capable of merging the information on the assumption that they were synonyms, but now that I gather they are not, I think I had better leave correcting this to someone else.
    • Perhaps you could quickly remove/flag any egregious errors? Even just revert the whole thing, if you think that is best!
  • I did not add citations and clarifications because I do not know the answers; I was reorganising (and summarising) the existing information rather than extending it.
  • I agree that tags spoil the appearance; but think they are justified if they flag genuine problems (and lead to their resolution). In this case I feel that the requested information and references are genuinely desirable.
    • A thing that puzzles me particularly is that some diagrams show the Neritic extending across the entire ocean to a depth of 200m while the articles suggested it only extends where the water is no deeper.
  • The existing references appear to me, as a layman, as probably not the most authoritative possible, though not too bad.
  • My impression is that the root of the problem is the terminology: it is apparently inconsistent within and across disciplines. If so, perhaps one or two things would help:
    1. A central place, in an existing or new article (Ocean#Zones_and_depths? Littoral zone? Marine habitats?) summarising how the terminology is used, with citations, referred to from wherever confusion could arise.
      • There now seems to be considerable redundancy (so what’s new?) between the various articles.
    2. Possibly, separate articles for the different contexts, though I suspect they will not split cleanly.
  • I am sorry you find my organisation of the merged information awkward; except for the last part, it seems logical and straightforward to me: Lead paragraph – Definition + terminology – Physical characteristics – Ecology – Physical oceanography. In an expanded article these would presumably be separate sections — but perhaps some of the material is inappropriate.
  • I did feel that it was unfortunate that the two articles became mutually rather redundant; I felt that the solution would probably be to trim Littoral zone#Sublittoral zone, but did not feel qualified to decide how much.
PJTraill (talk) 23:27, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
P.S. “You” will probably also want to redirect Sublittoral zone away from Neritic zone and back to Littoral zone#Sublittoral zone. PJTraill (talk) 23:35, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

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