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Appropriated by the alt-right?[edit]

Despite The Guardian states that Pepe The Frog was "appropriated," this claim is not accurate and it's only mentioned by that news media. The text claiming making reference to the supposed appropriation must be removed, or at least made explicitly clear that this statement belongs to The Guardian. Ajñavidya (talk) 03:19, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

  • “Pepe the Frog, a cartoon character appropriated by the "alt-right" NPR
  • “New #SavePepe drive will include new memes for once-obscure cartoon appropriated by alt-right, Trump supporters.” Times of Israel
  • “His cartoon character started life as an innocent figure, but was later appropriated as an unofficial mascot of the alt-right.”CNN
  • “Pepe the Frog, a cartoon amphibian adopted as a far-right mascot during the 2016 presidential campaign, has successfully sued in recent years to keep his creation from appearing on white nationalist websites, alt-right Reddit forums and the neo-Nazi website the Daily Stormer.”NYTimes
  • “Pepe the Frog is a humanoid frog cartoon character who became a popular internet meme in the early 2000s, and was notoriously appropriated by white supremacists during the 2016 US presidential election.” Dictionary.com O3000 (talk) 11:17, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Okay. Shouldn't be these sources also included in the lead? Ajñavidya (talk) 02:56, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
No, because there is an entire section in the article with numerous sources. Four supporting citations (8-11) in the lead are enough. See MOS:LEADCITE. Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 04:42, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
This is an exceptionally inarticulate and inaccurate excuse for a rebuttal. 30 ignorant people circle jerking each other on the flatness of the earth does not constitute a well cited article. None of the sources provided are actually credible experts, or their credentials are contestable at best. More precisely, you'll find that the people who make these claims to explain the motivations, perceptions, and intentions of 4Chan are distinctly in the out group of 4Chan.
Even my making that point is reliant on its own self appearance rather than an expert opinion, because 4Chan is an amorphous and chaotic cesspool of raw human emotion and imagination, existing for the sole purpose of its own amusement and gratifcation of arbitrary whimsy.
Perhaps, a mildly more credible source on the matter, may actually be, I don't know, the advertised intention and behaviors of 4Chan as they have portrayed them. Even if you wish to continue to entertain the notion that its all one big decentralized brilliantly managed scheme to get a bunch of strangers to expertly coordinate in producing a well motivated and richly virulent social phenomenon the likes of which professional advertisers and social psychologists can not manage, and is speculated to be possible through only through the collective meta cognition of organically evolved hive minds like what 4Chan essentially is. Furthermore, that this scheme of brilliance has been going since the inception of the internet, run in a seemless and mysterious manner, with perpetual disinformation concealing the true nature of the secretive cabal running it all, without anyone giving the game away for 30 years in an OPSEC record to make the KGB and CIA blush.
Even if you think the Guardian, in its infinite wisdom of social psychology and absolute freedom from political and ideological bias is qualified for us to take them at their word deserves mention, putting the theory forward. Its at the very least intellectually dishonest to not at least disclose that there are two side, what the guardian says is an accusation, that there is abundant evidence to deny this accusation, to include 4Chan actively hyperbolizing and playing into the narrative with gross indulgence in satirical imagery as their literal poster child. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azeranth (talkcontribs) 16:30, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
None of the sources provided are actually credible experts. Mainstream news organizations such as The New York Times and The Guardian are normally considered reliable. See Wikipedia:Verifiability § What counts as a reliable source. The Anti-Defamation League also describes the connection with the alt-right.
4Chan is an amorphous and chaotic cesspool of raw human emotion and imagination, existing for the sole purpose of its own amusement and gratifcation of arbitrary whimsy. Exactly the reason we don't consider 4Chan a reliable source for anything.
Its at the very least intellectually dishonest to not at least disclose that there are two side[s] – Giving equal weight to both "sides" would violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 23:56, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Origin of kek as euphemism of lol[edit]

It should be noted that kek originated as the "translation" of the word lol when said by a character speaking Orcish heard by a character who does not speak Orcish in the video game World of Warcraft. Orcish is not a true language and lol is just one of many 3 letter words that gets translated to kek; the system is in place to scramble chat messages and make communication between two opposing factions impossible not to be an actual language. Nevertheless "lol" was a very common exclamation when making fun of your enemy, and so "kek" became known. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.216.229.188 (talk) 21:31, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Kek needs context[edit]

The first reference to Kek is made without context. Please add background. In general, the article leaves the reader with more questions about this entry than questions answered.GenacGenac (talk) 18:00, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Urban Dictionary definition of Kekistan: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kekistan 3 Kekistan Kekistan is an invented ethnicity with a storied yet obviously entirely invented history, religion and culture. It mocks how the far-right cling to their race and cultural purity narrative and how the far-left clings to their racial victimhood narrative with an parody of extreme patriotism and an oppression narrative about how the Normiestan and the Cuckistan nations oppressed the Kekistani people. DErnestWachter (talk) 15:56, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Urban Dictionary is still crowd-sourced, and therefore still not a reliable source. O3000 (talk) 15:48, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

The problem here is that nobody in “reliable sources” is giving the identity narratives accurately for people in the Kek community imho. I understand that Wiki has its own standards of reliable sources snd that is why i did not put up a link to Facebook but just said “social media” as my source. I did nit know Urbandictionary was not considered reliable. I would use the definition above from there but remove the word “invented”. Do trans-gender people invent their identity narratives? Well some fundamentalists would claim so but it is not PC to say that. When nobody listens to your community’s own identity narrative then are we to just not attempt to tell it DErnestWachter (talk) 16:03, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Admin is always right in their groups. That is what i always say on facebook. It seems the talk spaces is where the real good information is to be found on wiki entries. So i will go add information there when it is from a social media source. And i have noted that urban dictionary is not welcome on the main wiki entries. DErnestWachter (talk) 16:08, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

{{re|DErnestWachter|| Admins have no control over content. And Admins are definitely not always right - except for me of course. :-) You can find reliable sources discussing transgender identity narratives - take a look at the notes and references for that article. I take your word for it that what you wrote was neither vandalism nor a hoax, although the bit about non-terrestrial certainly looks like one or the other. But it does seem to be original research by you, which we do not allow. Talk pages are also not places to add your own opinion, they are for discussing ways to improve the article. Doug Weller talk 16:48, 29 September 2019 (UTC)