Talk:WebCite

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When was it launched?[edit]

The article seems to get no closer on this than "By 2008, over 200 journals had begun routinely using WebCite". I take it from that that WebCite launched either earlier in 2008 or in 2007, but I'd be guessing. Can someone pin this one down, and also correct the establishment by year categories that I'm adding now with 2008 as the tentative year of establishment! __meco (talk) 08:47, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

The IA first records WC in late 2003; by 2004 it was apparently archiving stuff. --Gwern (contribs) 17:34 17 October 2010 (GMT)

Google?[edit]

The article says, "Shortly thereafter, Google and the Internet Archive entered the market, seemingly reducing the need for a service like WebCite."

Really? If Google is in this market, I'm not aware of it. Old versions of web pages can sometimes be found in the Google cache, but they don't last long.

Does anyone know what that sentence is talking about? NCdave (talk) 11:57, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

No I don't, but I'm adding {{Cn-span|. You could search the Page History, and ask the editor(s), who added/edited that sentence. Lentower (talk) 18:23, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Service outages[edit]

2010-04-03: Down[edit]

For the last half-hour or so and continuing. -- Tenebrae (talk) 02:20, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

We really don't need to be told about each and every bit of downtime. --Gwern (contribs) 18:08 12 January 2010 (GMT)
It's again down (yesterday and now). Is there any reports on it by secondary sources? Nsaa (talk) 08:47, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Because it's heavily relied on by editors, relatively minor downtime coverage here (on the talk page) is appropriate that would be inappropriate in the article, IMHO. For example the site currently displays "Website is currently under maintenance. Its being migrated to a new powerful server. We will be back up soon." It's helpful to have this logged. --Elvey (talk) 02:58, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Why is mentioning whether WebCite is up or down on this page better than getting that info by visiting WebCite itself?--Father Goose (talk) 15:36, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Because by coming here, one could get some idea of how long it was down. Of course a monitoring service would be better. It was down for about a week. Not worth arguing over further, IMO.--Elvey (talk) 20:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Also these reports are a sanity check, to let editors know the access problem is not unique to them. Sometimes a person cannot see a Web site because of a limited network problem, when the site is still visible to other people. --Teratornis (talk) 16:39, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

2010-06-21: Down[edit]

In that case, it's been down all day June 20, parts of June 19 (or more), and so far on June 21 (today), it's still down. If it's down for more than a week, I'm screwed lol. – Kerαunoςcopiagalaxies 06:45, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

2010-11-13: Down[edit]

Section originally titled "outage (extended or "repeated" outage?) Nov. 2010"

It has been about a week since this comment was posted: Wikipedia_talk:Citing_sources#Webcite_outage.3F_.28.3F.29 and it seems to be down again. (On the other hand, the Google "cache" entry is now dated Nov 13, 2010 ... Hmmm ... on 9 November 2010 the Google "cache" entry was dated Nov 6, 2010.) (Could it just be a DNS problem with my ISP? or my subnet? or my PC, or something?)

The current problem seems to be affecting "read-only" access to previously archived material, (at least, for me! YMMV...) as well as submission of new material to be archived. Does anyone here have any details about the problem? (e.g., is it a "domain name" issue? or a DNS / domain name "registration" issue?) --Mike Schwartz (talk) 07:37, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, it worked OK for me today. (Go figure ... :-) --Mike Schwartz (talk) 06:28, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

2011-01-19: E-mail notification down[edit]

E-mail notification does not seem to work since early January 2011 (and is not back as of Jan. 8th 2011). So, please be careful, if you use the bookmarklet instead of bookmarking visited sites otherwise. Links might get lost. I second the call for a monitoring service or more reliable alternatives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webciteuser01 (talkcontribs) 09:58, 8 January 2011 (UTC) Seems to be back on January 19th. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webciteuser01 (talkcontribs) 18:51, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

2011-05-16: Down[edit]

Its down again. The Website cannot get reached. Thank You Webcitation people for your service all the years until now! --Advocado 11:32, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

2011-09-01: Down[edit]

The google cache of Aug 29, 2011 16:37:55 GMT shows a normal-looking home page, but i have got no server response for the past 10 minutes or so. The DNS servers for webcitation.org seem to be down. Boud (talk) 20:34, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Ditto. SlimVirgin TALK|CONTRIBS 21:37, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
I also cannot access webcitation.org since yesterday. --Teratornis (talk) 16:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
I have not been able to retrieve old snapshots for several days until I today read this meassage on their site; "Sep 6, 2011 - On Sep 3rd (just before the long labor day weekend), WebCite went down due to a hardware failure. While we are restoring the database from our backups, no new snapshots can be made, and old snapshots may be temporarily unavailable. We apologize for any inconvenience caused". Hopefully they will be back up soon :-/ Froztbyte (talk) 18:16, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

2012-05-17: Down briefly[edit]

I think there is some value in documenting the outages. It was down for a brief period this afternoon, at least around 1:00pm. It was working by 3:00pm. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 19:08, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

2012-06-07: Down[edit]

Seems to be down again, as of now. (This message is for informational purposes, and is not a call to document downtime in the article itself.) TheFeds 07:37, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Seems to be down either ongoing or again --Webciteuser01 (talk) 13:33, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
and back, now.--Webciteuser01 (talk) 15:07, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

2012-10-24: Down[edit]

Down right now with the error "Warning: mysql_pconnect() [function.mysql-pconnect]: Too many connections in /home/webcita/public_html/lib/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 367 DB Connection failed" on the archive page. (Again, not advocating for listing outages in article; this is merely a convenient list for us to track the issue.) TheFeds 07:46, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

2013-01-15: Down[edit]

Service down with a note mentioning "routine maintenance", but ongoing for quite a while now. Webciteuser01 (talk) 10:43, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Still seems to be down early 17th Jan Lantrix //Talk//Contrib// 13:30, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

And it's back and available! Great, thanks WebCite for your service! To my knowledge maintenance took at least 48h. Webciteuser01 (talk) 14:01, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

2013-02-08: Was down, could be out[edit]

Earlier today, webcitation.org seemed to be dead. It's now up and running, but is appealing for funds in order to survive. -- Hoary (talk) 14:50, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

The article says the funding target is $250,000, but the source says it's $50,000. I have corrected/updated this. Does anyone know what happened? Hans Adler 16:11, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

2013-02-12: Down[edit]

No response from server as of 12:15 GMT.   — C M B J   12:16, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

2013-09-06: Down[edit]

No response from server as of 10:15 CEST Webciteuser01 (talk) 08:20, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

2014-12-04: Read-only[edit]

WebCite has been no longer able to archive anything for almost a week, becoming read-only. -- Meow 20:18, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

It seems to be archiving things at this time. Archive requests often time out on submittal, but always seem to complete anyway (often before getting the time out message even). Lookups seem instantaneous. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:53, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Outages[edit]

The latest anodyne edit does much to improve webcite's image, but understates the very serious and almost continuous non function of an important archiving service. It's one thing to claim new pages will not be archived if funds aren't received, it's another to fail to support an existing commitment. I think outages should be given more prominent coverage than the latest edit by Philafrenzy allows, though perhaps in a more organised manner. The intention is not carping, but documenting a serious problem. I support the service and have given to it, despite the lack of transparency in its funding arrangements, but I am frustrated by its massive unreliability at present, and a lack of clarity about what the future holds. Cpsoper (talk) 22:30, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

I will try to make my edits less anodyne. I agree with most of what you say and find it an invaluable service. I hope we don't lose it but a blow by blow account of outages, which generally don't last long and cause no loss of data, doesn't seem encyclopaedic. It's a free service that is only 99% reliable, not 100%. Seems reasonable. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:41, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Meta proposal[edit]

See meta:WebCite for related discussion.   — C M B J   13:52, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Outage 2015-08-08[edit]

It's down again. It was accepting new material about two weeks ago (the last time I tried).  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  06:31, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Outage 2015-11-15[edit]

When attempting to access material archived in WebCite or while attempting to archive new materials, I am receiving an error message that states:

Warning: mysql_pconnect() [function.mysql-pconnect]: Too many connections in /home/webcita/public_html/lib/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 367 DB Connection failed.

Is anyone else currently experiencing this problem? What is creating the problem? When will it be fixed?

Should an editor add information about this outage and previous WebCite outages to the WebCite article? Corker1 (talk) 23:38, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

  • The 2015-11-15 outage was corrected on 2015-11-16. Corker1 (talk) 20:51, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

2016-05-31: Having trouble archiving pages[edit]

I've tried to archive multiple articles today and I keep getting the following email error message:

Your WebCite archive request has errors

Your recent WebCite request has completed. Following are the results from this request:

CACHING FAILED

The caching attempt failed for the following reason: Could not establish the root of the downloaded page. This is most likely caused by a page class which isn't supported yet by WebCite.

Anyone else getting this? It was working fine for me a few days ago last time I tried to archive a page. --Jamesy0627144 (talk) 02:16, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

[update 2016-06-04] I am able to archive pages now and no longer receive an error message when doing so, but the formatting of the archived pages is off (text is all there but archive doesn't look much like original) and there is also a big banner across the top of webcitation.org that says "UNDER CONSTRUCTION - please come back later - old snapshots available". So looks like they are aware of the problems and working on it but it's not completely fixed yet. --Jamesy0627144 (talk) 20:29, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

2017-10-29: Site appears to be down[edit]

I keep getting an error saying the site cannot be reached. Using ping also shows that the host cannot be found. 2601:8C:4102:1210:96C:E069:7919:EF79 (talk) 17:33, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

2018-09-20: Site down[edit]

Is It Down Right Now?. Yes. It was intermittently down starting yesterday (if not the day before). -- GreenC 15:08, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

2018-11-25: Site down[edit]

Right now it's down and has been since yesterday. I hope that doesn't mean it's been down since September. There was no report of it coming back up. SpinningSpark 09:06, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Back up today. SpinningSpark 10:29, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

2019-06-10[edit]

Major problems. Down. No DNS. Both authoritative name servers seem to be down. Blocklisted by Google: https://transparencyreport.google.com/safe-browsing/search?url=http:%2F%2F69.73.131.148%2F

% dig +short webcitation.org NS ns1.webcitens.org. ns2.webcitens.org. % dig webcitation.org @NS1.WEBCITENS.ORG ; dig webcitation.org @NS2.WEBCITENS.ORG <fail - no answer>

--68.33.78.5 (talk) 15:58, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

IsItDown? reports it has been down for more than a week. Surprising it took that long for anyone at Enwiki to notice, it is possible. -- GreenC 16:59, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
According to the WaybackMachine, the last time it was known to work was June 6, though could be later. -- GreenC 01:18, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Webcitation is hosted at Network Transit Holdings, other sites hosted there are working so it is not an ISP outage or DOS attack etc. It looks like the DNS zones are disappeared for some reason (also hosted at Network Transit Holdings). -- GreenC 17:26, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Blacklisted rather than blocklisted, unfortunately. Webcitation needs support if it's to become a long-term sustainable organisation rather than a one(?)-person effort. Better to have several archiving alternatives available than only archive.org and archive.wikiwix.org. As of 2019-06-22, Webcitation is still down - that makes 16 days. A big fraction of our RS's are no longer easily verifiable in archival form. :( Boud (talk) 12:06, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
@Boud: There is an open RfC see last comment on this page. -- GreenC 13:13, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
I shot an email to support@jmir.org asking about WebCite's status on the 23rd and then neglected to check it until today since others here seemed to indicate emails inquiring about WebCite are never replied to. There was a reply on the 25th: "Thank you for reaching out. Our Development Team is working on getting webcition.org working again for us. I apologize for the inconvenience. Once I hear back from the team, I will reach back out. With reference to citing online references, you can just use the URL. Our instructions for authors are being updated to reflect this." So I suppose it's not totally left for dead yet. —Undead Shambles (talk) 16:15, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Name checks out :) Thanks Undead Shambles. -- GreenC 20:53, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

It's back up!--Truthtests (talk) 22:06, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Although I think it no longer archives sources. Or now what is the way? Kailash29792 (talk) 03:31, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
At the moment that's true. There is a banner at the top that reads, "We are currently not accepting archiving requests. The archival state/snapshots of websites that have been archived with WebCite in the past can still be accessed and cited." No indication on how long this will be true.--Truthtests (talk) 22:39, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

"Indefinite preservation"?[edit]

I removed the use of the term "indefinite preservation" from the lead as unverifiable. We do not know that this service will exist forever. Unless such a guarantee can be made - and it can't - the phrase "indefinite" cannot be used. Indeed, the lengthy list of outages above proves the service is not 100% reliable and, thus, once again indefinite cannot apply. As a non-profit, it could close down a year from now, 5 years from now, or a server crash could delete everything. It's a claim that simply cannot be verified, so I tweaked the wording slightly. 68.146.70.124 (talk) 06:50, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Indefinite does not mean forever. It just means that no end date has been set. Of course no one can guarantee that information will exist forever, but having indefinite preservation as an intention and policy is perfectly reasonable. The issue of server outages is not very relevant. Server availability and safety of data are two very different things. SpinningSpark 09:11, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
IMHO the first paragraph above -- [date/time stamped "06:50, 11 November 2013 (UTC)"] -- raises an interesting point. The information recently added at Talk:WebCite#2019-06-10 seems relevant in this regard. During my frustration with the most recent outage of the WebCite web site, I found this very OLD page of comments -- (posted circa 2007) -- and it seems insightful and perhaps a little bit prescient ... and it may be relevant to the topic of this section of this "Talk:" page.
(PS: [maybe "TMI"? sorry...] Over the past few days I have noticed that the web site https://webcitation.org/ did not [and it still does not] seem to be working at all; and what seemed especially frustrating was: the lack of even an "info" / "status" web page ... e.g. to re-direct readers [temporarily?] to some "news" updates ... which probably "should be" hosted / DNS'ed separately on some other web site! [right?] Just my 0.02 ...) --Mike Schwartz (talk) 18:03, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

RfC: long or short URL[edit]

RfC open if we should use long or short URLs when linking to webcitation.org -- GreenC 23:20, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

RfC: Deprecate webcitation.org aka WebCite[edit]

RfC open at: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#RfC:_Deprecate_webcitation.org_aka_WebCite -- GreenC 14:50, 13 June 2019 (UTC)