Talk:Émile Armand

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translation[edit]

This article appears to be a translation from French. Some clean up seems to be needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.177.151.180 (talk) 03:18, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Armand and christian anarchism[edit]

Armand, as the article shows, in his early conversion to anarchism, did adhere to tolstoyan christian anarchism. Nevertheless later he abandoned christianity and embraced individualist anarchism alongside atheism and participated in the strongly anticlerical, atheist and freethought individualist anarchist circles in France. I have a book of his in spanish in which he rejects and criticizes religion strongly. For this reason i think we should not put the category: christian anarchism for him.--Eduen (talk) 02:31, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

These lines extracted from that previously mentioned text, present the basic view on religion that Armand had and read as follows:

"En resumen, los reformadores religiosos tienen: a) Como ideal humano, el creyente, a quien se educa en la fe, que le sirve de freno para que jamás traspase ciertos límites y no ose gustar el fruto del árbol del bien y del mal, pues siendo un timorato rehuirá encontrarse de frente con un hecho que atente contra esa virtud indemostrable. b) Como ideal supremo, Dios, entidad ficticia, científicamente indemostrable y producción imaginativa. c) Como ideal social, el reino de Dios sobre la tierra, compuesto de sacerdotes encargados de explicar y comentar la voluntad divina y creyentes obligados a obedecerla.

from ÉMILE ARMAND. El anarquismo individualista: Lo que es, puede y vale. La Plata: Terramar, 2007. pg. 25. (tranlation from french first published in Spain in 1916)

I will try a translation of these lines here:

a)As a human ideal, the believer, he who is educated in faith, which serves him as an obstacle so that he will not tresspass certain limits and that will not attempt to reach the fruits of the trees of good and evil, in this is turned into a coward who will avoid to find in front of him the reality which could go againts that indemonstrable virtue. b)As a supreme ideal, God, ficticious entity, scientifically indemonstrable, and a product of the imagination. c)As a social ideal, the kingdom of god on Earth, composed of priests in charge of explanation and comentary on divine will and believers who have to obey it.--Eduen (talk) 04:43, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

E., not Émile[edit]

According to Armand himself (see the French Wikipedia article) he was not to be called Émile, but just E. for Ernest: "Émile ne fut jamais son prénom, contrairement à une erreur répandue, comme le démontre Gaetano Manfredonia dans la préface à la réédition des écrits d'Armand (Zones, 2007). Voici ce qu'Armand écrit à Hem Day dans une lettre du 15 juillet 1958: « C'est Ernest et non Émile Armand, mais j'estime que c'est de mince importance. » (E.L. Armand, ses prisons par Hem Day, Défense de l'homme no 177-178 juillet-août 1963)." Glatisant (talk) 13:20, 25 October 2015 (UTC)