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History section[edit]

This article could use a section on the history of the site and the city, someone could do this by translating the Chinese article. Abstrakt 07:14, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Inaccuracy re: Han racism[edit]

The "History of Naming" section of this article includes the following: "During the Qing Dynasty (A.D.1763) emperor Qian Long named the expanded town of Luntai "Dihua" (pinyin: dihua), meaning "to enlighten", which shows racism of Han Chinese against Uyghurs, implying that the Uyghurs were uncivilized."

The first point to make would be that Qian Long, being of the Manchu Qing dynasty, was Manchurian and not Han so I believe the claim that his actions suggests Han racism cannot be substantiated. Second, I think it cannot be claimed that it was Manchu rather than Han racism towards the Uighurs either since Qian Long's described actions were patronising and paternalistic but it seems a huge leap to claim this proof of racism. Third, again hugh leap to then claiming proof that he, Han, or Manchus believed Uighurs to be uncivilised.

Sorry for the length of this post - it's my first time getting involved in Wikipedia so I thought it would be more polite to make this point here rather than just edit it myself.

--Burningfeetman 06:28, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Fortunately, I'm not polite enough to ask before deleting this sentance. I think that one of wikipedia's conventions is to be bold; if you see something wrong or NPOV and you can back up your changes with a good rational or facts (which you have done), by all means go and change it. --soon to be registered user who'll learn how to properly sign his comments

While Qian Long has been a Manchu, Manchu culture has been assimilated by Han-Culture in large parts, especially the leaders identified themself with confucianism as well as Han-traditions. Therefor I would say the orginal entry is somewhat valid, it was certainly meant to lower the status of the outer colonies of the empire to point out that China is the center of culture and development. 60.28.129.81 (talk) 09:09, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Inaccuracy re: Chinese Confucianism Central Culture - Answer[edit]

I don't think it could be called Han racism either. Qianlong is a symbol of Chinese Confucianism. It's not about Han, as Manchu was pretty much assimlated and converted into Chinese Confucianism culture after the rule of China. The Emperor stood for Confucianism idea, not a single ethnics, China has a unique situation that westerns can not judge just simply by race. It is more of being a Culture identity than religion or racism. edited by Xu, on 2007.11.29, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.189.21.65 (talk) 06:06, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Reads like a travel brochure[edit]

"Located in a green oasis between the lofty ice-capped Bogda Peak, the vast Salt Lake in the east, the rolling pine-covered Southern hill and the alternating fields and sand dunes of Zunggar Basin in the northwest, Ürümqi has an average elevation of 800 meters." And the rents are reasonable ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.0.208.141 (talk) 15:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Good point. __meco (talk) 09:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Actually, the entire entry could have been written by the local Chamber of Commerce or the Central Committee propaganda authority. The validity needs to be seriously challenged. Zero effort at balance; all is perfect in Urumqi? The comments immediately below, citing links to the ethnic violence, are a strong hint that this entire entry is as poorly created as the section about ethnic violence in the entry on Uyghur, which is being criticized for "weasel words" and poor attribution. This entry could stand some of the same kind of examination and critique.Wlegro (talk) 14:46, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Protester deaths in Urumqi[edit]

Search: "Urumqi" (Google News):

There is now a short section detailing the violence, and a link to the main article July 2009 Ürümqi riots. — Loadmaster (talk) 19:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Needs more history[edit]

How long have Han Chinese been the majority? What have been political effects for natives? Etc.--Parkwells (talk) 22:26, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Do not know, but I can tell you that in 1940 the han already have been the majority in urumqi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.208.80.76 (talk) 14:00, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Undue weight[edit]

Serious undue weight being given to the riots right now. They haven't even unfolded completely yet, and it takes over half of the city's history? Colipon+(T) 01:17, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

As a Urumqi-born Wikipedian, I feel very disappointed when such riots happened and I regret that "July 2009 Ürümqi riots" occupied half of the history section. I believe that media from around the world will lay out neutral point of view on the incident. Ccyber5 (talk) 12:07, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
"I believe that media from around the world will lay out neutral point of view on the incident." You are very optimistic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.40.145.137 (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree. There is way too much detail in the history section on this recent event since there is already a whole article dedicated to the recent event. Can this be shortened some more perhaps?Simonm223 (talk) 19:41, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Yep, this needs to be trimmed down to a mini-paragraph and the details kept in the main article. There is no point to repeat here all the fights we've already been through at the main article. Let's all try to keep an eye on this snippet just in case problem editors come here to continue POV-pushing after their junk doesn't survive at the main article. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 19:50, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I just trimmed it and added notes discouraging people from editing it, and directing them to the main article instead. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 19:58, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
The last revision I edited had a fairly long History section. Since then, many edits have removed most of the text of the History section. Are all these deletions justified? As to text about the riots, a single paragraph summarizing the major events is all that is necessary, since the bulk of the information is covered in an entirely separate article (July 2009 Ürümqi riots). — Loadmaster (talk) 22:03, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Riot section needs a summary, not just a link[edit]

Please put a brief summary of the riots in this section. 75.101.11.171 (talk) 00:29, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Mongolian[edit]

It was said that Urumqi is a mongolian word, could anyone add the Mongolian script?--刻意(Kèyì) 01:42, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

I searched the Mongolian Wikipedia for their Xinjiang article, and found the Mongolian Cryllic to be "Урумчи". Don't know how to romanise that though. --HXL's Roundtable and Record 02:48, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
The Mongols in the Mongolian state does not follow the original Mongolian name. Урумчи is simply an Cyrillization of Uyghur Urumqi. The original Mongolian used by Oirats in Urumqi seems to be "Үлэмж", but I'm not sure. ––虞海 (Yú Hǎi) 09:11, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Beş Balık = Beiting[edit]

Beş Balık(Besh-balik) = Beiting(Pei-T'ing), was an important city near Ürümqi (east of Ürümqi). Böri (talk) 07:12, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Biş Balık in Old Turkic. Böri (talk) 12:55, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

History of urumqi[edit]

Urumchi in xinjiang originated as a chinese style city with mostly han and hui residents

[1]

http://books.google.com/books?id=MC6sAAAAIAAJ&q=Relatively+recent+feature#v=snippet&q=Relatively%20recent%20feature&f=false

Name of hui mosques in urumchi indicate their region or province of origin

[2]

http://books.google.com/books?id=MC6sAAAAIAAJ&q=Tungan+mosques+origins#v=snippet&q=Tungan%20mosques%20resided%20%20pattern%20origins&f=false

Purblio (talk) 06:27, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

History of urumqi[edit]

Urumchi in xinjiang originated as a chinese style city with mostly han and hui residents

http://books.google.com/books?id=MC6sAAAAIAAJ&q=Relatively+recent+feature#v=snippet&q=Relatively%20recent%20feature&f=false

Name of hui mosques in urumchi indicate their region or province of origin

http://books.google.com/books?id=MC6sAAAAIAAJ&q=Tungan+mosques+origins#v=snippet&q=Tungan%20mosques%20resided%20%20pattern%20origins&f=false

Purblio (talk) 06:29, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

How do you pronounce?[edit]

Can anyone add an audio recording of the pronunciation? Mattximus (talk) 00:17, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Spelling of article title, why not Urumqi[edit]

How did we end up with the article title spelled with these diareses over the U's? I have never seen this spelling outside of this article and feel that it would be more appropriate to have the article at "Urumqi" since that is the common English-language name for the city. Where did this peculiar spelling come from? In English, we rarely use such diacritics. Occasionaly German words with preserve the umlaut (same mark), and sometimes vowel pairs are marked like this to indicate a syllable break where a single vowel sound might otherwise be assumed (although this is still very rare and the spellings without the marks is also acceptable), like "naïve". For Urumqi, the pronunciation doesn't differ with the marks and nor do they serve any apparent disambiguation purpose. I am guessing this is from the Uyghur latin alphabet. Here we use the English spelling. see WP:PLACE. I propose we move it back to "Urumqi". - Metal lunchbox (talk) 14:07, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

In the absence of conclusive evidence, I would not mind either variant, but come to think of it, a RM here would not be any more productive than a RM over which national variety of English to use. GotR Talk 17:18, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
which variant of English to use is a settled question for all but some unique edge cases. The concensus boils down to don't change it unless it is clearly relevant to the article content and be consistent within an article. All else being equal I think it is clear that "Urumqi" without the marks is easier and less confusing, serving the interests of both the readers and editors. I'm not willing to die on this hill. The move is a suggestion, not a demand. Anyone curious about the English name of the city should search Google books for "Urumqi" and "Ürümqi". There are about 20 times as many occurances of the name without the marks and a good portion of the results which include the marks are actually from wikipedia. Of course searching google without diacritics will always show more results than with the diacritics. Actually looking at the results shows a pretty clear difference. Google Scholar shows an even more dramatic difference. "Ürümqi" is used in some legit English-language sources such as Encyclopedia Britannica and Library of Congress subject headings. Just thought I'd provide some actual info instead of simply declaring that "Urumqi" is the real English name. - Metal lunchbox (talk) 13:09, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Ürümqi/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

This article primarily needs expansion to reach higher classes. As the capital city of a region in China, it is of high importance. --Danaman5 01:52, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 01:52, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

Substituted at 11:23, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

  1. ^ Millward, James A. (1998). Beyond the Pass: Economy, Ethnicity, and Empire in Qing Central Asia, 1759-1864 (illustrated ed.). Stanford University Press. p. 134. ISBN 0804729336. Retrieved 24 April 2014. 
  2. ^ Millward, James A. (1998). Beyond the Pass: Economy, Ethnicity, and Empire in Qing Central Asia, 1759-1864 (illustrated ed.). Stanford University Press. p. 169. ISBN 0804729336. Retrieved 24 April 2014.