Talk:1970s in Angola
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Castron corridor, shooting all males over 10
The citation for this highly specify and inflammatory account is a Time magazine article not available except to subscribers. That is an impossibly weak and useless reference for such an assertion. Much of the rest of this article relies on similar journalistic assertions. I suggest that the article be rewritten with such elements of the text be better supported or removed.
"Only women and children passed through this area, "Castro Corridor," because government troops had shot all males ten years of age or older to prevent them from joining the UNITA. The napalm killed cattle to feed government troops and to retaliate against UNITA sympathizers. Angolans fled from their homeland; 10,000 going south to Namibia and 16,000 east to Zambia where they lived in refugee camps." Actio (talk) 16:33, 20 February 2012 (UTC) Actio (talk) 16:34, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
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Sure, thanks for asking. Clark Amendment, Vietnam War, and Shaba invasion are all things that happened outside of Angola. The first two are about things that affected Angola militarily; the third one really concerns the Katanga Province and Zaire more than it does Angola. The remainder of the article is about a specific slice of political/military affairs within the country. So I'm not saying we have to delete it all, or something—not by any means—but I would like to know more about what the 1970s were like... in Angola! And what Angola was like in the 1970s. groupuscule (talk) 17:20, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the quick response. I fully agree the article is weak on what the title announces - i.e. what happened inside Angola, in economic, social, political etc. terms. Once it is developed in this sense, the present references to outside events relevant for Angola would be fully justified. Agree? -- Aflis (talk) 17:56, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
I do think they are justified (although this would be a lot of weight for them, and some of this content might be transferred to the main articles on the topics), although I think it's instructive to compare the redirect for 1970s in the United States, along with articles like 1978 in the United States, which refer almost exclusively to events that happened within the territorial borders of the United States. So I would support adding Shaba II to this article, since the U.S. (unlike the Angolan government) participated in military operations there. groupuscule (talk) 01:57, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
- OK, so the question is who will revise the text? Can you? I myself could, in principle, but for the time being I am too busy with commitments in "real life"...--Aflis (talk) 11:50, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
I know next to nothing about the social history of Angola—my curiosity is what brought me here. I would love the opportunity to research this topic and maybe you I and others will get a chance to do so sometime before 2022. :-) groupuscule (talk) 00:29, 4 December 2012 (UTC)