Talk:1990 Atlantic hurricane season

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Not complaining, but the 1990, 1993, 1994 templates are missing. juan andrés 21:08, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Pacific hurricane seasons are just getting ignored! juan andrés 21:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Finally I've just found what to do with this templates (actually I found it how in the 2005 Pacific hurricane season talk) and they could be just added to the remaining seasons. juan andrés 02:11, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Images for each storm[edit]

Nice and quick, this season is done. Diana and Klaus are in their respective articles. Hurricanehink 01:10, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

"Storm strength"[edit]

Starting with the 1989 season, I've noticed a lot of text says "It reached storm strength". This is bad, and should not be used. "Storm" is too generic to use it as a shortening of tropical storm or subtropical storm. We need to write out "It reached tropical storm strength", or better yet "It became a tropical storm". — jdorje (talk) 23:56, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Tropical Depressions[edit]

Did the NHC start tracking these in 1991? I've been looking for infomation for earlier storms. Good kitty 22:39, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

1991 is when good records began for TD's. Before then is sporadic in finding out the depression info. The only thing I can think of is articles by the American Meteorological Society. Hurricanehink (talk) 02:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I see. I put the two depressions in a section towards the end labeled "Other storms". They were really nothing more than a sentence or two, plus there wasn't enough information to create infoboxes around them. I think that articles earlier than 1990 should also have the TDs down there because there isn't any data available online for them. Good kitty 22:01, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:1990 Atlantic hurricane season/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer:Hurricanehink (talk) 16:24, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I'll be reviewing this article shortly, since you helped out with mine. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:24, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Can you go for a more interesting first sentence? There is a loose project agreement that the first sentence should not be the "started on X, ended on Y".
    • Better?--12george1 (talk) 18:48, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
      • Ehh, somewhat, although I think it's fairly trivial. IMO it should be something broader and all-encompassing. For example, that 1990 was the most active season since 1969. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:59, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
        • That would be my next choice for an opening sentence; switched--12george1 (talk) 02:41, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Could you get a newspaper source to prove the 1990 season did in fact start on June 1 as well? I think that should become standard, as it isn't very helpful to say the season currently starts on 6/1 without clarifying the past.
  • Was the one major hurricane below average? If so, you should mention that in the season summary
  • "Development of tropical cyclone ceased in October, however, there were five tropical cyclones to either form or exist in the month" - aside from the first clause not making grammatical sense, I think the effect of the sentence comes across wrong. It should be emphasizing on the high activity of October.
  • "As it approached Florida, it was absorbed by an approaching cold front" - try avoid using "approach" twice in the same sentence
  • Any impact in Cuba for TD1?
  • "On July 25, Tropical Storm Arthur crossed the Windward Islands chain, between the island nations of Tobago and Grenada.[12] However, after Hurricane Joyce in 2000, it was noted that Arthur made landfall on Tobago" - the preliminary report says nothing about going between Tobago and Grenada. Why not make it simpler and just say it made landfall? The bit about Joyce is confusing me a bit. I know why it's there, but I don't think it's needed.
  • "Emerging into the Caribbean Sea, Arthur reached nearly attained hurricane status on later that day." - I think you were going to say the date but then backed out? If you reword the previous sentence to include a date, then get rid of the "on" here, since currently you have to go back two sentences to find out what "that day" was.
  • "About 24 hours all of the tropical storm warnings were discontinued." - what were you trying to say there?
  • I was disappointed Arthur didn't have any impact. Here is a start.
    • Added impact info--12george1 (talk) 03:16, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
      • Was there anything else? It's sort of a cop-out to only include the source I provided :P Also, as I said below, try and cut down on the watches/warnings. They're really not important. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:59, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Given that Bertha already has an article, I think its first paragraph is a bit too long. Try cutting it down a few sentences
  • Watch out for unit inconsistencies. You have "334 mi (537.20 km)" and "500 mi (804.67 km)" in Bertha's section, and I noticed you do the same further down. They should all be rounded.
    • Fixed that problem on the entire article--12george1 (talk) 02:41, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
  • In Cesar's section, it feels weird to say it formed "450 mi (724.2 km) south-southwest of Bissau, Guinea-Bissau". Aside from the rounding, generally TC articles say "about X miles south of Cape Verde", since the circulation is an estimated point when its that far east, and Cape Verde is used much more in context with TC's.
  • Similar to Bertha, Diana's section is a bit on the long side, despite it having its own article.
    • Shortened slightly, but I don't want people asking "why is Diana shorter than Edouard?"--12george1 (talk) 02:41, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Given how Diana was the most impacting storm of the season, I would focus more on the impact than the watches and warnings. It doesn't go into anything on its first landfall. Was there a finalized death toll? Was there an estimate on number of houses destroyed, damaged, people left homeless, left without power? Those are some standard things that are missing. I know it's only a section in the seasonal article, but it doesn't mean the section shouldn't stand on its own. I feel the article relies slightly too much on the NHC, such as adding the watches/warnings for filler.
    • Added more specific impact details--12george1 (talk) 02:41, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
  • "By the next day, Fran made landfall on Trinidad with winds of 40 mph (65 km/h)" - do you need to indicate the wind speed in two consecutive sentences?
  • "however, the National Hurricane Center does not attribute Fran to any landfalls" - not important, IMO
  • "Fran significantly land interacted" - try rewording
  • Try looking for more impact from Fran, as opposed to watches/warnings
    • Sorry, nothing else reported--12george1 (talk) 03:16, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
  • As with Diana and Bertha, Gustav has an article, so it shouldn't be quite so long.
    • Shortened Gustav section--12george1 (talk) 05:28, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
  • You use the word "Gustav" in every single sentence but one in Gustav's section. Could you cut down on using "Gustav" so often so I don't get sick of the word Gustav by the time I get to Gustav's second paragraph on Gustav?
    • Reduced usage of the word "Gustav"--12george1 (talk) 05:28, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Any impact from Gustav in Bermuda or Canada?
    • No impacts in Bermuda or Canada--12george1 (talk) 05:28, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
  • "caused weakening of Hortense, and Hortense" - try avoiding the redundancy
  • Similar to Gustav, you say Isidore a lot in Isidore's section
  • "curved northwestward, and eventually northward. After curving northeastward," - can you avoid curving twice in two sentences?
  • Can you try finding some online (Google news) links to some of the news stories?
    • What section are you talking about?--12george1 (talk) 03:16, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
      • Just in general, the three news stories that don't have links. I'm sure they can be found on GN. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:18, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
  • "After fluctuations in intensity, the subtropical storm finally acquired tropical characteristics, also intensifying into a hurricane, and was classified as Hurricane Lili starting on October 11." - can you simplify that? It sounds like three different events when it was only one.
    • Better?--12george1 (talk) 03:16, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
      • Yea, but now you have "Hurricane Lili. Lili headed". Could you find a way to avoid such redundancy? --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:59, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Be sure to synergize the info on Marco's US landfall between the lede and its section
  • As I said before, how come you go so much into the watches/warnings for Marco, Lili, and Klaus? The warnings aren't important at all, they're just like an advisory. What's important is what the storm actually does. You could go so much more into the impact in each of those sections if you cut out the warnings, which I suggest doing.
  • Did Nana do anything else in Bermuda?
    • Apparently nothing else happened in Bermuda--12george1 (talk) 05:28, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Watch out when you write the word affect or effect. Affect is a verb - "the storm affected two islands" - whereas effect is a noun - "the storm's effects included two injuries".
  • Can you give any sort of analysis on ACE? For example, whether the season was above/below average?
    • Added ACE analysis--12george1 (talk) 19:21, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm putting the GAN on hold. Ask me if you have any questions, and good luck! --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:27, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I almost forgot. Season predictions would be nice. 6 hurricanes and "3 additional storms" were predicted in April (I'm guessing three more than 1989, or 3 more than average, unsure), and 11 named storms, 7 hurricanes, and 3 majors were predicted in June. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:57, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Added season predictions--12george1 (talk) 19:21, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
  • I have noticed that recent seasons have TDs in their seasonal maps, but older seasons, such as this one, do not. I don't know whether this would be a GAN, FAC, or just a project-wide clarification issue, but I thought I'd point it out, since I noticed the two unnamed TDs aren't in the season map. Thegreatdr (talk) 21:35, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
    • After some discussion on the main project page, and per this article's current format, since we have TD tracks included in the individual summaries within this season, I'd suggest adding their tracks to the season map. Thegreatdr (talk) 15:28, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
  • The hurricane ultimately peaked as a Category 3 hurricane on August 31, and by doing so, it was the only major hurricane on the 1990 Atlantic hurricane season, and hence, also the most intense tropical cyclone in the Atlantic that year - I just noticed this. Could you cut that down a bit? --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:59, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
  • In addition to the immediate above, the only things left are making sure the information on Marco is the same in the lede vs. its section, checking out more impact for Arthur (particularly since it doesn't have an article), overall cutting down on watches/warnings (which aren't that important), the "Hurricane Lili. Lili" redundancy, TD1 impact in Cuba, and fixing the primary link for Diana's impact (currently it says "Problem loading page"). Once those are fixed I'll be happy to pass! :) --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:07, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
    • Do you think you could address these last few issues? I don't wanna fail it when it's so close! --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:29, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
      • I found more impact on Arthur, fixed the "Hurricane Lili. Lili" redundancy, got impact on TD1 in Cuba (but probably not enough but that was all I could find). I have also fixed the link for Diana's impact; on the "Way Back Machine", they have introduced a new beta and some of the links got messed up, so I manually searched for it and found it.--12george1 (talk) 01:21, 22 March 2011 (UTC)


If this article goes for FAC at any point, there are some details which need fixing to keep things consistent within this article.

  • As pointed out in GAN, the tracks for the TD's should be included within the season map. Since we have the tracks in wikipedia already within the TD sections, I doubt this would be difficult for the people who know how to do this. I do not, or I'd have done it myself.
    • I'll try and remember to do this when I get home later today. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 11:33, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
  • The coloration within the satellite images should be similar. This means that the TD1, TD11, and Edouard images should have the false color added to them that the other images have. Again, I'm not familiar with the color pallete used or I'd do it myself.
  • If any sources can be found, TD11 was handled twice by NHC operationally (in real-time), and most of its movement appeared to occur during the time of the downgrade. Thegreatdr (talk) 20:42, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

contradiction: previous season with no US landfall[edit]

the article now contradicts itself as to what previous season(s) had no tropical storm landfall in the US — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcus Licinius Crassus (talkcontribs) 04:44, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

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