Talk:2010 Dresden anti-fascist blockade

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I named the article Dresden Without Nazis, because this is related to an annual event. In all likelihood, the organization will organize against the neo-nazi activities again in 2011. It would not be useful to create another article, e.g. "2011 protests against neo-Nazis in Dresden", then. Also, reliable sources have not been settled for a name for the event, while "Dresden Without Nazis" has been used by reliable sources and is a straightforward translation of the its German name.  Cs32en Talk to me  00:04, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi! I understand your arguments, however the organizational group has been founded just for this one blockade, we don't know if there will be a second one, we don't know if it would be organized by the same group, and "Wikipedia is no crystal ball", see WP:CRYSTAL.
Also, it has been a loose group and not a stabile, possibly registered not-for-profit-organization, so there is very few to be told about the organization besides the event it has organized.
Finally, it does indeed seem useful to create a separate article on 2011 protests if they are notable as well. If the protests keep recurring year by year, we might want to reconsider this. We can take this to WP:RM though, if I didn't convince you. Of course I might be wrong and you might be right.
However, I'm very sure notability will be denied for the organization, possibly following "Someone known only for one event should generally not have an article written about them, but if the event they were part of is notable an article should be written about the event instead." (WP:ONEEVENT). So notability needs to be established by the event itself. If you keep that in mind while carefully refactoring the article, I'm optimistic that the event would prove notable.
Note that I'm not trying to bother you - in the contrary, it's really cool that you wrote an article on this blockade!
Viele Grüße, PanchoS (talk) 04:07, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Addition: It would be a good idea to point out why this event stood out of other anti-fascist blockades, such as those in Mainz and Dortmund in 2009. IMHO, more attention should be paid to the anniversary of the Dresden bombing as historical background. Also, the event shouldn't be exclusively described from the anti-fascist perspective and any triumphant undertone should be avoided. The blockade of far more than 10.000 people is impressive, but the huge crowd of neo-nazis is hefty as well.
We might want to create an overview article on neo-nazi rallies and anti-fascist resistance of the last years in Germany. I'd be happy to cooperate with you on this in the next weeks. Cheers, PanchoS (talk) 04:47, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
A comparable event, equally, maybe even more important historically, happened in Berlin in 2005, when the NPD planned to march in the city center, including under the Brandenburg Gate. In Berlin, of course, there are many more potential counter-demonstrators in the city itself, so it was a tall order for the NPD. The blockades helped, but were not as dense, because people were scattered throughout the city center, and most of the counter-demonstrators were left-wing radicals. In the end, the police could have rather easily moved away the people and let the NPD march, but the Berlin city government politically decided that they did not want the Nazis to march. In Dresden, the blockades were dense, elderly people and children were present in the crowds of people, and if the police would have decided to let the Nazis march, they would have needed to move away people continuously from the street for several kilometers, effectively making it impossible to complete the march in the given time frame. That concept of "human barricades" has been discussed and organized by the groups that support the Dresden Without Nazis alliance. So it's the specific situation, as well as the fact that Dresden is the largest annual rally of Nazis in Europe, that makes this a specific and notable event that should be described in a stand-alone article. (We could have a separate article on the concept of human barricades, of course, but I don't know how much information can be found on this topic in reliable sources.)
While the other blockades were certainly important for the cities or regions in which they took place, Berlin 2005 and Dresden 2010 were the only blockades in the last few years that were important on a national scale, as they shaped the evolution of the neo-nazi parties and the public perception of neo-Nazis, as well as anti-fascists.
If the article will focus on the event, we would need to add some information on the Nazis as well. I have limited time in the next few days, but I may supply statements from leaders of the NPD and the JLO on the event. During the last two weeks, a lively debate in the Dresden press has been going on about the event, so more information about various comments and other information should also be available now.  Cs32en Talk to me  14:55, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Nazis or Fascists?[edit]

We seem to have confused nazis and fascists here. It seems the protest was specifically against nazis, but throughout we call them fascists. (talk) 16:31, 15 August 2014 (UTC)