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edit·history·watch·refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for Egyptian revolution of 2011:
  • Add images and videos cc.aljazeera.net
  • fix dead external links (check here)
  • demographic composition of protesters, prison breaks, role of military in protests, global technological hacktivism, community self-organizing and self-defense, military-protester cooperation, electoral background from 2010 election, global political analysis (may have to happen at sub-articles), coptic reactions, takeover of embassy in Caracas (check edit history), nonviolence philosophy/training (CANVAS, Otpor, pamphlets, etc.), Breaking News
  • remove duplicate references where not needed. 2-3 max, unless contentious.
  • Section on Social Media is somewhat disorganized and the language could use some cleaning up. I will get to it eventually, but if anyone would like to tackle it first, be my guest. Michaeltaft (talk) 02:52, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Social Media Section could be expanded to its own article. There is a huge story/background there, and it is well documented online.Michaeltaft (talk) 02:54, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

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Cite_quick can avoid size/speed problems[edit]

The article "2011–2012 Egyptian revolution" is one of several which are reaching the template include-size error, plus at times exceeding the 60-second timeout to cause "wp:Wikimedia Foundation error" because {cite_news} or {cite_web} is too slow/large to be used over 350-400 times per page. Another article is "Arab Spring". Currently, new Template:Cite_quick can be used to reduce the size/speed problem, coded as {{cite quick |news|...}}. Now, other editors have come to support progress, and we can again begin to streamline those huge articles. Next year, when the Lua script cites are installed, then the {cite quick|news} usage can be edited to remove "quick|" and use the new, faster Lua-based {cite_news} which seems to run about as fast and small as {cite_quick}.

If there are no other concerns, then later tonight I can change the citations in the article to use {cite_quick} and reduce the edit-preview, or reformat, time of the entire page to within 30 seconds. -Wikid77 (talk) 20:01, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Pseudo coup theory[edit]

I moved this section to the talk page as it appears to be written in a speculative manner with original research and insufficient support from secondary sources. Ocaasi t | c 15:13, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

A Leak All document reveals that what took place after the ouster of Mubarak is a silent security pseudo-coup. It started as CIA ordered Hosni Mubarak to step down, with promises of his security, to assign an undercover US-Egypt security board consisting of high-profile members of the Central Intelligence Agency and Egypt's General Intelligence Service, to conduct the coup and to govern Egypt in effect. It was agreed that a military junta would appear as the apparent ruler of Egypt through a transition period, but the junta was just a front. All unrest, mistrust, put-up jobs and big games were the only events that took place since February 11, 2011 until now. These events are considered as a farce, an intelligence theatrical performance to pave the way for major events like the reoccupation of Sinai and the intimidation and the occupation of people's minds away from democracy, justice and peaceful protests. Some of the lies the public have heard are that the remnants of Mubarak's regime are ruining the country; Muslim Brotherhood killed protesters at Tahrir Square and allowed Al-Qaeda and Hamas to prevail in Sinai; Omar Suleiman died/was killed. In fact, the said board committed the Port Said massacre, sectarian strife, fabricated Jihadists in Sinai and many other memorable situations. They even publicized the death of Omar Suleiman to make Egyptians believe that Muslim Brotherhood killed him and that the choice of the revolutionaries is mired, lame and shameful, although people are not part of that game, and to also keep Suleiman away from the counter-revolution public charges. One of the major lies is that Mubarak and the regime members are in prison. It is worth to say that they are leading a normal life just like anybody but in secret places; some of them are summoned on regular bases to appear before the camera for the misinformation of the public. Omar Suleiman's death is a lie just like Bin Laden's. Muslim Brotherhood was assigned to replace Mubarak through a meticulously rigged elections assisted by the propaganda machine of integrity and liberty. Actually, all known presidential candidates were first recruited and then chosen by GIS to make entrance for them into the game. All efforts has been exerted to rescue the CIA-founded regime in the region, besides a democratic Egypt would jeopardize the interests of US and Israel.[1]

  1. ^ Hoffman, Anne. "Biggest conspiracy in Egypt's modern history". Retrieved 06 October 2012.  Check date values in: |access-date= (help)
Yeah, not only is the source of questionable reliability, the way it's written in is very unencyclopedic. -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 15:28, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
yep, agreed, single sources' conspiracy theorising is UNDUE/POV. Not to mention the size of the paragraph given credence. (aho added it?).Lihaas (talk) 02:34, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Agree with the foregoing statements of FutureTrillionaire and Lihaas and propose therefore to delete the section entirely and indefinitely.

Requested move (November 2012)[edit]

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The result of the move request was: move. -- tariqabjotu 23:38, 15 November 2012 (UTC)


2011–2012 Egyptian revolution2011 Egyptian revolution – When referring to the Egyptian revolution, news sources are specifically referring to the events that led to Mubarak's fall, which occurred in Feb 2011. Here's the evidence: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]. The events after his fall are often referred to as "post-revolution" or "aftermath" of the revolution. Since RS don't refer to the events in 2012 as part of the revolution, I don't see why WP should either.-- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 15:32, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

  • Support -For the reasons I stated above. -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 15:32, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support; seems reasonable to me. bobrayner (talk) 23:55, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
  • oppose WP is an encyclopaedia and a revolution is a n evolutionary process (a re-evolution). Thats the definition of the word. A single event does not constitute a revolution. Further this is not a media organisation to parrot sensationalism. We should break it down.Lihaas (talk) 02:32, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support agree that an article that is dated can also give background information that led up to the event and repercussions even if they are outside the dates. note on the last comment, revolution does not come from evolution, it is a term to describe a circle cycle (revolve) where the class structure is radically turned around - those who were at the top go to the bottom, those at the bottom go to the top. Yours ever Czar Brodie (talk) 14:18, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
sub note: I notice Egyptian Revolution of 1919 and Egyptian Revolution of 1952, would it not be better to keep with this format and change it to Egyptian Revolution of 2011? Czar Brodie (talk) 14:35, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
A few of the sources I checked reffered to it as that, but the majority simply referred to the events as "Egyptian revolution" or "revolution in Egypt", with the 2011 sometimes put in front or after.-- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 14:37, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes, checked sources myself. I was satisfied with a New York Times article that squarely puts the revolution in 2011 ("its revolution in February 2011") and lists all other events as "aftermath" and "developments". If the NYT was reporting the French Revolution no doubt it would set the date as 1789 (storming of the Bastille) and list all the other events as aftermath. For an historian such as myself, this is problematic; but Wikipedia is, I think, about sources and the Egyptian Revolution is to current for History books to be used as sources, so it has to be sourced from newspapers (for now) in my view. Czar Brodie (talk) 15:04, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
  • I think it should be 2011 Egyptian revolt. nableezy - 16:05, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
I don't see many sources calling it that. WP's naming policy is based on WP:commonname. -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 19:19, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I know that. But that name would have the benefit of sidestepping the questions of whether or not it was a revolution and when that revolution actually ended. nableezy - 19:34, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support - in general revolutions are point events (with few exceptions), after which there are aftermath events. Similar to the Russian Revolution of 1917 and the consequent Russian Civil War of 1917-1923, the 2011 Egyptian Revolution had several aftermath events like the Sinai insurgency, Maspero demonstrations, Port Said Stadium disaster and a couple of other violent events which should be expanded into Aftermath of the 2011 Egyptian Revolution article.Greyshark09 (talk) 07:54, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support - [from uninvolved editor invited by RFC bot] Google hits show 5million for 2011, but very few for "2011-2012". Regarding the suggestion above for "revolt" rather than "revolution": Google Hits shows revolution much more heavily used (5 million vs. 18,000). --Noleander (talk) 17:21, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support from RfC bot commenter. The "revolution" itself seems to have largely been in 2011, with some impact in later events in 2012, but the "revolution" itself is clearly notable enough for a standalone article relating directly to it, and the 2011 title seems to be the best way to indicate the scope of this article is limited to the "revolution" itself. John Carter (talk) 17:58, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
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Mubarak[edit]

What is the status on him, is he really dead? If so, someone seriously needs to update his article, pronto. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosni_Mubarak#Health_problems> EgyptKEW9 (talk) 15:10, 19 November 2012 (UTC)EgyptKEW9EgyptKEW9 (talk) 15:10, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

He's not dead, he's currently in court again. Charles Essie (talk) 15:16, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Requested Move (June 2013)[edit]

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The result of the move request was: move. -- tariqabjotu 00:23, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


2011 Egyptian revolutionEgyptian Revolution of 2011 – for consistency with the Egyptian Revolution of 1919 and Egyptian Revolution of 1952 articles. --Relisted. -- tariqabjotu 19:37, 30 June 2013 (UTC) Charles Essie (talk) 15:14, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Sure, why not. It doesn't really matter, but I guess it sounds better.--FutureTrillionaire (talk) 17:29, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Reverse the proposal rename the other two articles instead. -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 08:49, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
    • Oppose. Although the format [insert year] Egyptian revolution would be more concise, it is less clear in my opinion. Egyptian revolution [insert year] clarifies that multiple revolutions exist. Another possibility is to change all relevant article names to Egyptian revolution ([insert year]). Augsburgbeliever (talk) 19:06, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Support. It easier on the reader to have the name of the event before the year. And leave "Revolution" capitalised. This is not Finno-Ugric-pedia. —  AjaxSmack  20:29, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
    • Most of the articles on Wikipedia have the year before the event, though, and is the common way for people to refer to things as well (1998 election, not the election of 1998; 2013 British Grand Prix, not the British Grand Prix of 2013; etc) -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 07:16, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
      • I guess we've got to start somewhere.  AjaxSmack  02:33, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I support the current title and moving other revolutions to [year] Egyptian revolution. --Meno25 (talk) 18:03, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

For me, is all the same. --Norden1990 (talk) 10:37, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
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financial support of anti-morsi activists[edit]

Al Jazeera has a lengthy article on the funding of anti-morsi figures: Exclusive: US bankrolled anti-Morsi activists --37.201.227.158 (talk) 18:06, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Al Jazeera admits the article is controversial. I'm no expert and I can't decide on this. --94.218.253.249 (talk) 20:52, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Was this a revolution?[edit]

This might sound a bit trollish, but the word "revolution" is somewhat misleading here. As of 2013, it seems that after some protests, unrest and wasted elections, the end result was just changing one general to another, all existing institutions basically remaining as they were before things got unstable and army maintaining its dominance just as before. An actual revolution should be able to name at least one lasting change in the governance. Less glorious "2011 Egyptian protests" or "2011 Egyptian coup d'état" (again, it was the army back in 2011 who actually toppled the president) would be more truthful. Drieakko (talk) 14:25, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Practically, Mubarak stepped down, the SCAF got the power until they made a fair elections where Egyptians choosed their president freely, a civil one for first time in Egypt's history. don't build conclusions upon your theories. we Judge what we see not what we think going under tables.
  • President overthrown.
  • Cabinet overthrown.
  • Constitution suspended and new one was written.
  • Downfall of security agency like SSIS.
  • Dissolution of the ruling party.
  • Arrest of the Regime's figures including the president.

what other acts of revolutions should be done? + I don't where you came with changing a general with another. as far as I see no general had the power in Egypt unless Morsi was a general. Amr TarekSay Hello!, 23:05, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Links[edit]

>> Egypt youth disappointed ahead of anniversary (can update in an @aftermth"section)>> Egypt counts toll of anniversary protests>> Egypt revolt still 'worth it' despite turmoil(Lihaas (talk) 17:17, 24 January 2014 (UTC)).

Article needs copyeditng[edit]

I did some minor copyedits to this Egyptian Revolution of 2011 article, and I find it to be looking like a news article. Lots of photos, instances of mediocre grammar, the use of un-neutral terms like "hallmark", "wielded", and "reach out", and too many references come from primary news sources. Articles that appear in WP:ITN look like news articles, so why most of them don't get copyedits? I want this article to be copyedited, and there must be a big section about the protests that is not a timeline. IX|(C"<) 04:42, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Actually, there isn't too many primary news sources used. IX|(C"<) 04:52, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Can you please add a {{copyedit}} tag to this article? Mr*|(60nna) 21:31, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
By the way, the lead doesn't want refs. Mr*|(60nna) 21:37, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Disputed[edit]

See this Vice article. Mr*|(60nna) 00:52, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Vice article was actually satire. Mr*|(60nna) 01:20, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Someone please fix the vandalism.[edit]

On the timeline, February the 11th. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.219.76.83 (talk) 03:52, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Not moved  — Amakuru (talk) 20:32, 21 May 2016 (UTC)



Egyptian revolution of 2011Egyptian Revolution of 2011 – Established name. – Article editor (talk) 05:24, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:08, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose not a proper name. Baking Soda (talk) 22:14, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose – looking at sources, "Eqyption Revolution" does not seem to be treated as a proper name, nor a part of a proper name like the proposed title. Dicklyon (talk) 23:09, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose not a proper name. InsertCleverPhraseHere 21:41, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

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Infobox formatting: conflict![edit]

I don't have the technical capability (yet) or the knowledge of the situation (yet) to edit the article myself, but surely the infobox ought to be formatted like all other conflicts, and have a divided section at the bottom with parties to the conflict, notable leaders, and deaths (etc) listed in separate columns? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amatama (talkcontribs) 22:26, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

I completely agree. Nonsense that such an important article (in the infobox) doesn't identify the parties to the conflict. 87.252.229.38 (talk) 13:48, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

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