Talk:2018 Attica wildfires

Problematic merger (note)

I tried automatically merging 2018 Greek wildfires with this article, but it wasn't possible, luckily the histories aren't long and I didn't think it was a big deal just to override the other article history. If someone can do the much more complicated manual revision merge, that would be appreciated, but it's probably not mandatory. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 09:38, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

I think it's fine. --Tone 09:40, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

WP:ENGVAR

@Evan siakabaras: the word "metre" occurs already in the article. For consistency, please undo your edit changing the second instance to "meter". zzz (talk) 16:45, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Title

Suggest title of article be changed from "2018 Attica wildfires" to "2018 Greece wildfires" or "2018 Greek wildfires," as the Attica region isn't widely known as a geographic term outside Greece. Second, "Attica" was made (in)famous among U.S.-Eng. speakers by a huge and deadly prison riot in Atticca, N.Y., in 1971. (Re Attica in antiquity, please keep in mind that a great many Eng.-lang. readers did not study ancient history or the classics in school.) Sca (talk) 21:47, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

As per ITN/C, I do not thing this is a good idea. Greece is much bigger than Attica alone and Attica is pretty know at least Europe-wide (where classic history is studied as a part of curriculum, mostly). --Tone 06:57, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

As noted recently, U.S. residents constitute 42 percent of Eng.-lang. Wiki readers. So you're counting them out because most of them didn't study ancient European history? This is not 'Europe' Wikipedia. Sca (talk) 01:57, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm not going there. If you insist that prison riots in the 1970s are more known than a region in Greece, provide a source. --Tone 09:35, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, Tone, but your fixation on ancient Attica strikes this user as elitist. (And I'm a history buff, to some degree.) However, this isn't going anywhere. Have a nice day. Sca (talk) 14:04, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Foreign aid

Shouldn't FYROM's offer of 6 million denars be mentioned in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andreas George Skinner (talk • contribs) 15:59, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Map

Can the map be made more useful please, showing the places affected - at least Mati in relation to Athens (at present the flame symbol could be either or both). Perhaps it may made properly expandable complete, if small size is required on the face of the article page. Davidships (talk) 01:09, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

The map added by Evan siakabaras is a great help. No doubt a simplified version with English legend could be developed from this. Davidships (talk) 18:52, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Unencyclopaedic style

"where rescuers found 26 corpses trapped just metres away from the sea, apparently hugging each other as they died"
Remove the irrelevant info, please.--Adûnâi (talk) 14:04, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Nationality of the victims

There seems to be many international tourists among the victims, would it make sense to make a table with the nationalities? (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:20, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

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Be careful with numbers of deaths

As someone impacted by the Black Saturday bushfires in Australia, I suggest being very careful with any certainty about numbers of deaths. It took months, possibly years, for accurate figures to be known for the Australian fires. Numbers at one point were reported to be considerably higher than they turned out to truly be. This was for a number of reasons, including missing people turning up later, and the somewhat gruesome reason of burnt remains initially thought to be human ultimately being found to be large family dogs or other animals. Even using terms like "at least" doesn't protect us from such eventualities

Of course numbers go up months later too, as people die of injuries from the fire.

And please don't say "we go by what the sources say". Even usually excellent sources simply get it wrong for events like this. We should be making more use of words like "around" and "approximately", or only ever explicitly saying who said so against any number we report. HiLo48 (talk) 23:50, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

TImelines of Kineta, Mati & Neos Boutzas

Can someone check the correct starting time of fire at Kineta, Mati & Neos Voutzas, by offering also the resources of the information?