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See also Talk:2018 and 2022 FIFA World Cup bids

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SOUTH KOREA IS NUMBER 10 INCLUDING YEAR 2017!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT NUMBER 9. — Preceding unsigned comment added by In4o2Read (talkcontribs) 08:04, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

This comment I hid from view refers to South Korea's 9 previous appearances before this event. The values for this column do not include the 2018 World Cup, the upcoming event. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 14:11, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Map[edit]

Can someone do a map of stadium locations? Qatar already has one, I would but I don't know how. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.19.42 (talk) 16:48, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Map_workshop#2018_FIFA_World_CupLihaas (talk) 18:10, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Russia´s anothers attempt to host the FIFA World Cup.[edit]

Hi, congrats to Russia.

We must to remember that Russia like USSR was one of the bids with Greece and England to host the 1990 FIFA World Cup but losses by 5 votes to 11 votes to favour to Italy. Curiosly the 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia will celebrate in the same dates that the 1990 edition. [[1]]Nekko09 (talk) 17:35, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Venues[edit]

Needs to be organised instead of random listings, kinda like the Qatar 2022 page which is sorted by capacity in descending order.Lihaas (talk) 18:12, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

About the venues, has there been an official reason given as to why all the venues are in the Western part of the country? Inkan1969 (talk) 21:00, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
There is an overview here http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/01/33/74/52/b5ruse.pdf on page 11-13, sorted by host city. Moscow has four, the other 12 just one. Yosh3000 (talk) 23:21, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Podolsk isn't a host city btw (it is in the table at the moment). Yosh3000 (talk) 23:29, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Map of European Russia[edit]

Since the FIFA World Cup hosts were announced yesterday, I took a look at the 2018 FIFA World Cup page, and was not very happy with the map, which had been done on the basis of the “Location map+ |Russia”. The reason for this is that all of the proposed host cities are in European Russia, and the in present map the locations are rather crowded, and one does not get a good idea of where the host cities are located.

I thought that if there was a map showing European Russia, things would be much more clear and the map would be more informative.

Could someone do a “Location map+ | European Russia”, which could be used for the 2018 FIFA World Cup page?

Apanuggpak (talk)

Free Transportation?[edit]

On tv it was mentioned a few times that apparently, there will be free public trasnportation (either in the cities, o to/from the stadiums) during the world cup. Is this true? if so, i believe it should be mentioned. Arg2k (talk) 20:30, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

If it is true, it will come to light some time over the next 8 years. No hurry. Kevin McE (talk) 23:02, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
There was plans for a bullet train service to run during the World Cup. However those have been scrapped. TollHRT52 (talk) 13:45, 26 August 2012 (AEST)

Boycott by non-whites[edit]

Due to the persistent incidences of Racism, extremism and violence towards non-whites there is now talk of a complete boycott by non-white players, countries and fans of the Russia 2018 world cup (with the resulting negative economic impact for Russia). Russian authorities have stubbornly refused to deal with the Persistent Repeated incidents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.1.94.87 (talk) 20:23, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I Saw that you added this to the article. I removed it because it's an unsubstantiated rumour. If you have a reliable source that you can use as a reference, then we could consider adding it. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:29, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Map-in stadiums table or alone?[edit]

I think with the map maybe we should do what we did with the 2014 WC, and put it inside the stadiums table. TollHRT52 (talk) 09:29, 30 September 2012 (AEST)

Yeah, I've tried to put it there and on the preview it turned out crap, therefore left it alone. So can someone that knows what they're doing do it please?TollHRT52 (talk) 12:29, 30 September 2012 (AEST)

"first World Cup hosted in two parts of the World"[edit]

I'm not sure what exactly this means, since the 2002 World Cup was hosted in 2 countries.

An unregistered editor based in Russia was apparently unaware of the word continents: now corrected. Kevin McE (talk) 19:31, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
To say strictly, matches to be played in Yekaterinburg are in Asia indeed, not in Europe: the city is located to the east of the eastern foot of the Ural Mountains (usually considered as boundary between Europe and Asia at these latitudes). Even though this is the only Asian city participating in the World Cup. 95.26.1.160 (talk) 20:27, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Yekaterinburg claims to be on the boundary between Europe and Asia. Since its in the foothills, that means it's still in Europe, no? Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:23, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Per FIFA, all of Russia (and Kazakhstan, Turkey etc) is European. It's sort of original research to suggest otherwise. '''tAD''' (talk) 11:10, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Not exactly. Russia is a member of UEFA, and that's not the same as being European (as well as Australia, being a member of AFC, is not in Asia). Russia is located both in Asia (mostly) and in Europe. 95.24.214.248 (talk) 15:45, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Do any sources highlight it and make it relevant? It's easy to find references to the first World Cup/Olympics in the Middle East, in Europe, in the Southern Hemisphere, but how many reliable sources bring up the point of the Yekaterinburg stadium making this a transcontinental World Cup? '''tAD''' (talk) 15:51, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Not sure which specific Wiki rules require finding answers to your questions. 2002 FIFA World Cup article notes some firsts, including e.g. hosting by more than one nation. 95.24.209.101 (talk) 11:59, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
I think it's wrong to state that the World Cup will be held only in Europe. This World Cup edition will be held in both Europe and Asia. I think we should edit the article: what do you guys think? --Larry.europe (talk) 18:29, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

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2014 World Cup[edit]

If Russia does not qualify for the 2014 World Cup, is it safe to enter the remaining data for Russia's column, containing last time they've qualified, etc.?

--NeedsAboutTreeFiddy (talk) 19:26, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

New Logo Revealing July 1, 2014[edit]

The contest for making the logo has begun today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FallandSpringOlympics (talkcontribs) 22:57, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Controversies[edit]

I added a subsection, following the annexation of Crimea. It could possibly be expanded.--Paracel63 (talk) 17:35, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Why remove it?[edit]

Posts sentence.  The United States and the U.K. examine cancellation of the broadcast for protest.Scheduled to Canada and Australia also follow.(reason -Servant). Why remove it? The United States is a country of the justice. Masayoshi should perform justice.Should boycott. It should also be canceled aired.The United States and the U.K., please do not watch broadcast!!!!(185.23.17.141 (talk) 07:22, 9 June 2014 (UTC))

I removed it because it's poorly written leaving it incomprehensible and it's unreferenced. Considering you left this talk before I removed it though, are you suggesting that you added it before and it was removed? No, you removed host names of websites and I restored that. Where was it removed and what was the comment left with that revert? Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:41, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
I see, You added this and along with damaging every reference you added unsupported statements, "The United Kingdom cancels broadcast for protest" and "The United States cancels broadcast for protest". Certainly not true from what I've read. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:48, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

'including from British and American politicians'[edit]

Why single out any country? Well, OK, USA, but it's not like UK is a world power. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.127.120.138 (talk) 18:48, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

World Power? It had nothing to do with that and everything to do with the fact that no other politicians were prepared to stand up and be counted. Subsequently, that line should stand. Twobellst@lk 15:03, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Controversies section harsh?[edit]

I find the "Russian xenophobia" and "Russian annexation of Crimea" sections to be a bit too overt and out of place. Would there be similar "controversies" over the US in any bid they might have to host a major competition over controversial foreign policy decisions they've made? As I'm sure you're aware the narrative of things such as annexation of Crimea often depend on who is writing it. I can't help but think this is just using the world of sport as a political football. This is very different to the controversies over bribing, extreme heat and worker deaths in Qatar, and the billions of dollars the government are believed to have been wasted by many people in Brazil. Those are very well established controversies.

Xenophobia and racism in sport is a problem in many western countries. There are many foreign and black players playing different professional sports in Russia for decades, many move to Russia to play there for various reasons. Without some kind of report that singles out Russia as having particularly bad and problematic xenophobia in sport that is at such an extent that it could pose a problem at the world cup, I find the account a bit incredulous. I bet England would be a lot worse. It sounds suspiciously like the anti-Russian sentiments and stereotypes making the rounds in political discussions recently from people who are opposed to the current United Russia government.

While racism may be a problem in Russia like many other countries, 50 percent of Russian people are not racist, they are normal. Casting black marks over a people like that is exactly like what people used to do when dismissing people in African or other countries as part of racism. Anonywiki (talk) 18:47, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

If you think it's harsh, fix Russia, not the article.
To find such controversies "over the US", you'd have to have reliable sources to report them like the reliable sources that report them on Russia. It's present in other articles such as Euro 2012, Sochi 2014, the 2014 World Cup and certainly the 2022 World Cup. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:43, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Walter Görlitz claims this is "censorship". To me, it's a pretty clear-cut case of WP:SYNTH or WP:COATRACK as the two sources don't even mention the World Cup and indeed, were even published before the World Cup was awarded to Russia. --NeilN talk to me 04:11, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Oh for crying out loud. No proof of SYNTH or COATRACK, simply your opinion. I read the articles and they discuss issues in Russia. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:24, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
And your opinion is that any article about Russia should include this information? Even when sources are unrelated to said article? Kirin13 (talk) 06:15, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
My opinion is that the sections were better a few days ago and the links between the topics and the calls for boycotts and other sanctions were more clear then. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:25, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Can you point to a revision with your preferred version? Kirin13 (talk) 06:30, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Is close https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2018_FIFA_World_Cup&diff=612916568&oldid=612812654 Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:53, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
That doesn't address the WP:COATRACK issue in the sentences I attempted to remove. --NeilN talk to me 15:11, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
You're right, but the problem isn't that this is a coatrack, it's that the issues in Russia are calling for boycotts and sanctions and background is needed. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:21, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Anyone else agree with Walter? --NeilN talk to me 15:25, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Both the revision & current version have the same paragraphs for "Russian xenophobia". The second paragraph is fine. The first is synthesis/coatrack, as all three sources are completely unrelated to the World Cup. Having a {see also} link is fine. For this article, info should stick to what was directly stated by sources regarding the World Cup. Kirin13 (talk) 15:50, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, as that's the only material I tried to remove. --NeilN talk to me 15:56, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Controversies section[edit]

There are four more years to this World Cup and Russia will inevitably piss off more people during this time, invariably leading to calls for the World Cup to be moved. Are we going to report on all these calls? If not, what are the requirements to get into the article? --NeilN talk to me 18:27, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, it needs some "clout" to it. These developments from the German government are quite high profile. But Yaya Toure's call for boycott seems unlikely and offhand, and may well be worth deleting soon. Let's wait for it to become a clear issue on this article before we clean the non-notable out '''tAD''' (talk) 18:43, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
I sure hope we report on all of them, especially if they make the news. Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:57, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Walter, you may be interested in List of 2018 FIFA World Cup controversies. As I can only imagine that the foreign criticism of Russia will increase before a ball is even kicked, this new article is likely to grow and grow. '''tAD''' (talk) 14:06, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Locations map[edit]

I noticed that the map being used has been created to include Crimea as part of Russia. Please not that I am not party to any of the politics which is why I would neither favor its inclusion within either entity claiming to be its host. But shouldn't it be the case in these circumstances that the disputed region be colored separately to indicate the disputed status? I see this is often the case with Kosovo which features on Serbian maps but highlighted in a different shade. --The Old Boy In Town (talk) 14:18, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't know whether you have perfect colour vision, but the map shows Crimea in a different shade of grey to the rest of non-Russia, and not in the yellow of Russia. The changes you want have therefore already been made. '''tAD''' (talk) 14:35, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
My vision is quite all right thank you very much, the angle of screen however wasn't! I've now adjusted it to look straight on and can see a different shade over Crimea. Sorry for raising a false alarm. --The Old Boy In Town (talk) 15:25, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Article change suggestion.[edit]

『2018 FIFA World Cup (The road to hell)』How about?185.23.17.141 (talk) 19:45, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Not done Unnecessary, no reason. SOXROX (talk) 03:12, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

  • This user is a Lithuanian IP address who, possibly due to understandable historical grievances, has vandalised this article to the extent of blanking the entire thing. A trip to WP:ANI should be advised on the next occasion that such vandalism occurs. '''tAD''' (talk) 10:15, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

There's a typo in the last sentence of the first paragraph. Should be "but" not "bar." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.101.2.221 (talk) 09:39, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

That's not a typo, it's a legitimate alternative word. – PeeJay 11:01, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2015[edit]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FIFA_WORLD_CUP_2018_RUSSIA_LOGO.png better logo Soccerlover86 (talk) 08:54, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: the logo will be deleted from Commons. Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 11:05, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Russian World Cup Bribery and Corruption Investigations[edit]

It looks increasingly likely that the 2018 world cup bidding qualification will be re-run, with this in mind the article will need a specific section dealing with the breaking investigations into the bidding process, I suggest that we collate the various citations here and add the section once more in known. [1] Twobellst@lk 12:31, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Domenico Scala statement[edit]

On 7 June 2015, it was announced that Russia would possibly no longer be eligible to host the event if evidence of bribery was proven. According to Domenico Scala, the head of FIFA's audit and compliance committee: "Should there be evidence that the awards to Qatar and Russia came only because of bought votes, then the awards could be cancelled."[2][3] -- Impsswoon (talk) 17:59, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Blatters & FIFA Data Seized[edit]

On 10th June 2015 Swiss authorities seized computer data from the offices of Sepp Blatter[4]

References

Schedule[edit]

Because the World Cup is going to take place in November/December, these days can't be right. Could someone please correct it? - Adrio (talk) 09:49, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

What are you talking about? It's the 2022 World Cup that's going to be played in November/December, not the 2018 World Cup. Please think before you post. – PeeJay 10:22, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

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X mark.svg Not done Please say what changes you want to be made and why (with source) instead of copying a large quantity from the article. Qed237 (talk) 23:02, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Area[edit]

Ok, so Qed237, the area of the Eatern Europe is much larger than area of the Soviet Union in Europe. SU do not own whole EE. Look, if something was held for example in China, it is also good to mention that it was held in the whole Asia for the first time, right? And not in the area of the former Qing dynasty. Therefore I ask you to stop your (for me) incomprehensible reverts and edits. However, if you really insint on mention of the SU, I guess that: "This will be the first World Cup held in the area of the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe and the first to be held in Europe since 2006." should be a good compromise, what do you say? Jirka.h23 (talk) 07:24, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Asia has a football confederation and thus its borders in a footballing sense are clearly defined. This is not the same for Eastern Europe. The Soviet Union had set borders, and also had a football team, which makes sense in this case. The Qing Dynasty had no relation to football. '''tAD''' (talk) 13:07, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Now you want to say, that we can mention here only areas bordered in a footballing sense? I do not think so, where can I read about it? Why is then here mentioned: for the first time Arab country and in the Middle East region? Or for example here, the first World Cup tournament staged in North America, if CONCACAF also contains Central American and Caribbean areas? And so on. Jirka.h23 (talk) 13:56, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Maybe because there exists the West Asian Football Federation (Middle East) and the Union of Arab Football Associations. "North America", in many senses, is used in English to describe all lands of the Americas that are not in South America; that matches CONCACAF perfectly. Plus, you are using the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS fallacy. Something that one ordinary editor wrote or did not write in one temporary revision of one article is no excuse to write or not write the same thing elsewhere. We are writing about football so we use football's definitions, lest we end up saying it is the first World Cup in a country beginning with R. '''tAD''' (talk) 04:44, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2016[edit]

FIFA 2018 Tickets :

All Tickets for the 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia™ will be exclusively available for the purchase by the members of the general public on officail website and during the Last Minute Sales Phasemin the FIFA Venue Ticketing Centres in Russia, Price of Ticket vary from $115 to $1100. Imdelu (talk) 05:41, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Unless you specify what is to be changed we can't do anything. Moreover it looks like you are advertising, am I wrong DatGuy? VarunFEB2003 09:47, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

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Arkhangelsk?[edit]

Until reading the article today, I was completely sure that Arkhangelsk would be one of the host cities, thus becoming the northernmost World Cup venue ever. Now I see that it not the case. Have I dreamt it, or was Arkhangelsk (or maybe some other northern city) part of early plans for the competition? Fomalhaut76 (talk) 12:34, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2017[edit]

The link to the UEFA qualifying rounds unter the Qualification subheader is a link to the 2014 qualifications, not the 2018 ones 2600:8805:D481:2F00:31C9:3E79:C0DE:D7A5 (talk) 18:03, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Already done in this edit. Gulumeemee (talk) 03:29, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Error in "Qualification" text[edit]

In "Qualifiation" text, UEFA will have 13 qualified teams, not 12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 191.193.107.204 (talk) 20:02, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

 Done Thank you for pointing out this error. It has now been corrected. GazThomas402 (talk) 20:37, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

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Copyright violation?[edit]

Today I found this in relation to this article. Should we be concerned? jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 18:07, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

There isn't nearly enough there to be considered a WP:COPYVIO. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 11:12, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Mexico Qualification, 01 September 2017[edit]

Should Mexico be added to Qualified Teams after the 01 September matches? All other articles on 2018 World Cup qualifications seem to have this change, unless the table is updated after the hexagonal has been played through completion. 172.113.16.45 (talk) 03:50, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Already done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 03:51, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Qualified teams table[edit]

The column 5 for Brazil is not correct. Robin rounds in CONMEBOL started for France 1998. Therefore, it should only show 2002. Before 1998, it was in groups format and it does not reflect the same importance as it does a Robin round. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elcucho88 (talkcontribs) 03:29, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Column 5 actually refers to performance in the FIFA World Cup, not in World Cup qualifying. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 03:36, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Argentina[edit]

Argentina played the 1930 world cup, played the final game and came second. Please edit the main article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexbonn (talkcontribs) 02:04, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Add current FIFA ranking[edit]

I think it would be nice to add a column showing the current FIFA ranking to the qualified teams table. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chelco77 (talkcontribs) 03:50, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Let's wait until the October rankings are released first. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 03:55, 11 October 2017 (UTC)