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ATC staffing

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Our article says,

  • The New York Times reported that as of September 2023, the tower at Reagan Airport was nearly a third below targeted staffing levels. The staffing shortage has forced many controllers to work up to six days a week and 10 hours daily.
  • On the night of the collision, air traffic control (ATC) staffing was below the typical level for that time and traffic volume, according to a preliminary Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) safety report. Normally, the tower had six controllers: assistant local control, ground control, clearance delivery, local control, and an operations supervisor.

The NTSB says something different: Although ... air traffic control tower facility was not staffed to its target level ... the number of staff in the tower at the time of the accident was adequate ... The decision to combine the helicopter control and local control positions was not the result of insufficient staffing, and personnel were available to staff the helicopter control and local control positions separately I propose to remove our text (based on an NYT article published immediately after the crash), as it seems to be misleading. Викидим (talk) 21:48, 30 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for raising, what section is that in? Dw31415 (talk) 21:55, 30 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Nevermind, seems you made the change. Dw31415 (talk) 21:58, 30 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
No, this edit was purely cosmetic and made to improve recently added text. The change being proposed here is in the section "Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport" and the text has been in the article for a long time, Викидим (talk) 22:06, 30 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I’d support moving everyone including and after “On the night of the collision” to the investigation section and editing heavily to match the recent report. Dw31415 (talk) 01:14, 31 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Final report

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The NTSB have published their final report of the investigation into the accident. Mjroots (talk) 20:28, 17 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

RfC: Should it be changed from American Airlines Flight 5342 to American Eagle Flight 5342?

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 – RfC needs to meet neutral Dw31415 (talk) 13:12, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Malformed RfC: no clear question (where in the article should this be changed?), no brief and neutral statement, and perhaps most importantly no WP:RFCBEFORE. An ordinary talk page discussion ought to be sufficient to resolve this. (non-admin closure) Rosbif73 (talk) 09:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should at least change it from American Airlines Flight 5342 to American Eagle Flight 5342 or maybe even PSA Airlines Flight 5342 in the article itself. The main reason it was change to American Airlines was because it was considered recognizable and more sources called it that. My response is that it also called American Eagle in a lot of sources. It was the livery on the plane and even American Airlines itself calls it that: https://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2025/Information-regarding-American-Eagle-Flight-5342/default.aspx. It is just as much of a common name as American Airlines. The only reason some sources called it American Airline crash is because American Airlines is more recognizable than American Eagle. It is also why some sources called Delta Connection Flight 4819 "Delta Airlines Plane Crash in Toronto". Sure, American Eagle isn't a real airline's and is just an airline brand, but all the other American Eagle accidents are called American Eagle becuase it is more commonly referred to it. Just because it is just an airline brand doesn't mean we can't use it in the title. If you don't want American Eagle in the title, we can have PSA Airlines. But PSA Airlines isn't as recognizable and is not the common name. Even though "American Airlines Flight 5342" may be the "absolutely utterly unmistakably" commonly used name as determined earlier, the guideline also states that inaccurate names (like American Airlines Flight 5342) should be avoided, even if reliable sources use them more frequently. The operator mentioned in the infobox states, "PSA Airlines dba American Eagle," and not American Airlines, so it doesn't make much sense to call this "American Airlines Flight 5342" if the operator isn't American Airlines. Plus AFAIK, this is the only article in all of the Wikipedia aviation articles to use this unprecedented misuse of the WP:COMMONNAME policy. It didn't take this long for editors on Colgan Air Flight 3407 to reach a consensus that "Continental Airlines Flight 3407" was not the correct name to use. On the contrary, by now, it shouldn't be hard for readers to understand that American Eagle is the regional subsidiary of American Airlines, which addresses most of the problems mentioned earlier. Reliable sources use "American Eagle Flight 5342" too: (see [1], [2], [3]). I still haven't understood why there's still support for keeping the former. Zaptain United (talk) 03:44, 18 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I think the RfC should be reformatted to list 3 options. I support American Airlines Flight 5342 because that’s still used by reliable sources like recently in https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/17/us/politics/dc-plane-crash-government-liability.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share Dw31415 (talk) 04:06, 18 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Name of Flight 5342 - Feb 2026

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@Zaptain United, @Rosbif73, There’s been plenty of RFCBEFORE. The RfC should reference it. The formatting needs to match Wikipedia:RFCNEUTRAL. Zap, your format at the project page was fine. Do you want to take a crack at reformatting below? Dw31415 (talk) 13:08, 18 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Which project page was this discussed at? In any case, this doesn't seem like the sort of issue that would need a formal RfC; as I said in my closure above, an ordinary talk page discussion ought to be sufficient to resolve this. Rosbif73 (talk) 13:32, 18 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
There’s been many edit wars and multiple discussions about this. Searching Flight 5342 in the archive here will yield those. There was a lightly attended RfC at Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation Dw31415 (talk) 13:45, 18 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
This related RfC may still be open: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation#c-Zaptain United-20251101023400-RfC: Should the article title be styled as the IATA name, Branded name, or the I Dw31415 (talk) 15:02, 18 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
ICAO is a good search term to find the ~4 previous discussions: search ICAO in archive Dw31415 (talk) 15:31, 18 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Collecting links for RFCBEFORE:
Dw31415 (talk) 23:58, 18 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I forgot Talk:2025 Potomac River mid-air collision/Archive 4#American Airlines Flight 5342 (operated by regional carrier PSA Airlines under the American Eagle brand) Dw31415 (talk) 00:05, 19 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

In the first sentence and elsewhere, should Flight 5342 be named:

  1. American Airlines Flight 5342 (current consensus)
  2. American Eagle Flight 5342
  3. PSA Airways Flight 5342

(signed by Zap) Dw31415 (talk) 00:23, 19 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure which categories, maybe econ and style. Dw31415 (talk) 00:25, 19 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I am done. Actually, I realize you started this whole thing by changing it to American Airlines Flight 5342. I have no interest in continuing this. Zaptain United (talk) 03:43, 19 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]