Talk:2 Columbus Circle
It would be greatly appreciated if anyone who has a more recent picture of the building would upload it. Some of us not in NYC would very much like to see a photo documentation of this tragedy.
J. Crocker 00:25, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone else think this article is a little too friendly towards this building? I know some people like this thing, but I always feel slightly sick when I walk by it. Let's see:
It has an outstanding diagonal view of central park but has ALMOST NO WINDOWS and looks like a giant ELECTRICAL TRANSFORMER. It doesn't mesh with the surrounding cityscape at all.
I know I must not be the only person who feels this way. I'm tempted to put a few more critical cites up here. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
--I live nearby and I loved the original building. I've watched the new facade go up and it looks ghastly to me. In my opinion it is not an improvement, it's a tragedy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 17:53, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm sympathetic to the people who wanted to landmark the building, or at least have a hearing on landmarking, but WP is supposed to have a neutral point of view, and this article does not, really. It reads kind of like an indictment. Nareek (talk) 04:14, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Are there any updated views of the "new" building available? Reconstruction has to be nearing the end.
J. Crocker 04:24, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Wow! This article has gotten really ridiculous! I figured I'd come back and check on it to see what happened to it. According to the article, the people who committed this atrocity should be hunted down and shot. Do the people who wrote this article really believe that it's "non-biased"? I frankly don't see how any reasonable person could hold that view. Kind of makes me sad... oh well!
Thanks for the updated photo. OUCH!
Neutral Point of View - Restructuring
Based on the chronology of this pages construction, it appears to have been specifically and thoroughly constructed to discredit efforts at its renovation / reconstruction. Given its significance to discussions of the development of New York City, architectural history, contemporary architectural practice and historic preservation, the article should more closely follow Wikipedia guidelines.
In an attempt to present a more neutral position, I would propose the following overall structure:
1. General description - location, development of the parcel and surrounding street grid, w/ top level links to Columbus Circle, Museum of Arts and Design, New York City, etc. 2. Timeline - Chronology of buildings and events related to 2 Columbus Circle (relocated from present position at end of article) 3. Summary of Specific Works - Pabst Grand Circle (and other prior structures if available), Gallery of Modern Art, Museum of Arts and Design - include exterior and interior photos, key data, events of note 4. Preservation Controversy - a legitimate, if not primary, point of the article, which at present is the majority of article space. Alternately, a separate article could be created which contains all the detailed redevelopment and preservation efforts and opposing points of view.
The Pabst Grand Circle Hotel…
…was on the northwest corner of Columbus Circle and 58th Street. It was supplanted by the New York Coliseum, and now the Time Warner Center occupies the site. According to Gray, the hotel by architect Cauvet at what is now 2 Columbus Circle was originally called the Grand Circle Hotel (no affiliation with Pabst).
- Gray, Christopher. The New York Times (2005-11-27). "Audubon's Home, and Columbus Circle's Past" (Item #2)
- Gray, Christopher. The New York Times (1996-12-01). "A Small Hotel, A Mock Battleship and the Titanic"
- Pabst Grand Circle Hotel: The Museum of the City of New York
- Grand Circle Hotel: Boulevard Hotel, Museum of the City of New York. At the end of its life, it was evidently called the Boulevard Hotel. Before that, it had been known at various times as the Oriental and the Victoria, respectively. Vzeebjtf (talk) 10:06, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
A past revision of the article said the height of the building is 420 feet (130 m), which seemed wrong to me, as that would mean there's about 35 feet (11 m) between each floor. After a short bit of searching, I couldn't find any sources for this figure (except Wikipedia!) so thought it was best to remove it for now.
Looking at the building in context in Google maps, it's definitely not as tall as the article claimed. The black building to the right is the Trump International Hotel and Tower, which Wikipedia (and various other sources) put at 583 feet (178 m). Based on this (and the heights of other surrounding structures) I'd estimate it much closer to 200 feet (61 m), a far cry from the original figure in the article.
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