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NOTICE: There is heavy vandalism on this page (5/20/07, 7:30 PM EST) I do not have time to fix it...someone else please fix it.

I did a revert, but I might have screwed it up :( First attempt ever... Noliver 04:35, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I copied and pasted a previous edit from 5/22/07 at 19:36. If there were any legit changes made after that, they may need to be readded. Shawn W 18:34, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) 09:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Proposed Move from ABC News (USA) to ABC News

  • Support-Most of the links to ABC News are for ABC News (USA). Besides, who will correct all of the links to ABC News that are supposed to go to the US news organization? Whoever moved this article from ABC News to ABC News (USA) can't just leave everyone else to relink everything. Move the page back to ABC News. Jonyyeh 01:56, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support-This is what is likely to be searched for. Georgia guy 13:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose - People in the USA may be searching for this article, but equally others from english speaking countries like Australia will be primarily searching for the Australian ABC News. Therefor ABC News should be a disambiguation page. Canderra 17:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support - I agree with Georgia guy; when most people search for ABC News anywhere, they are searching for the American ABC News and not the Australian, or any other, version. Therefore, it is only fair that the main search term be directed to this page. Thistheman 20:53, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support - As per Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Primary topic, based on the fact that there currently is no disambiguation page, and the fact that Special:Whatlinkshere/ABC News currently shows that the majority of links in existing articles pertaining to the American news organization are pointing to ABC News. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 19:25, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support Pacific Coast Highway (blahtypa-typa) 19:40, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose, create a disambiguation page. People who live in the US shouldn't assume that the US version of something should be the default, or the most likely, of anything. - Richardcavell 22:22, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Comment; no one said default, we said most common. Pacific Coast Highway (blahtypa-typa) 22:27, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. Most common/Passing primary disambiguation thru a redir is a waste of time and resources/With only two topics, top-of-page disambiguation better than a disambig page. (and FWIW ABC News (United States) would probably be better than USA) Seattlenow 00:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. It may just be a function of the USA's sheer population relative to Australia, but the US "ABC News" is by far the most common meaning worldwide. And "American Broadcasting Company News" is just wrong, since it's never called that on air. Kirjtc2 14:49, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Canderra & Richardcavell. --Ptcamn 15:22, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

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Old discussions

This is a really bad title. American Broadcasting Company News would probably be better. RickK 06:16, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)

No problem. I don't care what it's at, so long as it isn't yet another American thinking that the rest of the world doesn't exist. I'll move it as you suggest. Tannin

You're quite right .. though i added a redirect from ABC_News .. thought as it is mentioned like that quite often in articles. Ebricca 18:14, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I know there is little chance of anybody reading this since these comments were made ages ago, but why? What's wrong with "ABC News"? That's what it's called... Watch your local ABC station. They don't say "American Broadcasting Company News"... --Peng 15:07, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
The problem is that "ABC News" can refer to multiple items, mainly Australian BC News and American BC News. Both have an equally valid claim to the name and so the obvious solution is to append a (USA) or (Australian) suffix on the end and make "ABC News" a disambiguation page, listing both articles. I don't see what the problem with this obvious solution is? I just can't understand why it wasn't done years ago. Canderra 02:41, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

explaining revert

The fact that this entity is owned by the Walt Disney Company is mentioned in the article and in the article's catigorization. Therefore, the see also section is unnecessary. Gentgeen 06:09, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Redirect from ABC News

This really needs a redirect from ABC News, or nobody's gonna visit this page.

ABC News does redirect here, and it has so since September 2003 (look up a few inches in this talk page).... o_O
Also, could you please put "--~~~~" at the end of your comments so that other people know who you are and when you made your comment? --Peng 15:04, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Heavy Christian Emphasis

Having watched probably about a dozen episodes of the ABC Evening News program on late-night cable from my home country of the UK over the past few months, I couldn't help but notice a very prominent Christian underpinning to pretty much every show. To date, I think every episode I've seen has shown atleast one or more stories which have either featured interviews with members of the clergy or stories which have had some form of religous emphasis.

This seemed extremely odd to me as here in the UK it is quite rare to see a religous figure or for stories to have a religous emphasis on the evening news programs. I am wondering therefore, is ABC News known for having a particularly evangelical Christian overtone or does religion just feature reguarly on most US TV news programs? Canderra 20:57, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I've noticed that too, and I'd say it arrived with the departure of Peter Jennings. I believe the management of ABC News made a deliberate decision to try to appeal to a completely different market segment and saw the change of anchorship as the obvious indication of their new direction. And so every episode has to have at least one story arranged to pander to American Christian conservatives. I don't know if it will work for them; speaking just for me, I changed the channel. If I wanted that sort of news, I'd have already been watching Fox News.
Absent a quote from management or some media-watch group, though, I don't think we can include this in the article, no matter how obvious it is to us.
Atlant 22:49, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
This is one of the most surprising comments I've heard about network news in awhile. I stopped watching any network news except Fox when the Iraq War started. I laugh when I hear people say Fox isn't conservatively biased; almost as hard as when someone says network news isn't liberally biased. While I'd prefer watch "objective" reporting, as a libertarian with conservative values my choice is an easy one. That being said, I'll have to check out ABC News once in awhile to see if they've changed as you say. Lawyer2b 03:56, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Looks like it didn't work out for them all that well, even with Lawyer2b's added viewership. Down 10% of their audience/~1,000,000 viewers, Vargas out, ... Ahh well. Maybe they'll get back to real news now? They hit Denny Hastert pretty hard last night.
Atlant 13:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


  • Why are the old logos gone? Why are logos vanishing around the 'pedia? WizardDuck 23:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Because people keep taking them away because of copyright issues and they don't want to get sued by ABC News--jsalims80 01:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

New section about Liberal bias

Hi, I just did a little editing on the 'edges', so to speak, and I noticed a new section saying "While many do not call ABC News a Liberal-biased News Channel, it does subtly reflect this in much of it's reporting." I changed it to "While many do not call ABC News a Liberal-biased News Channel, it does subtly reflect this in much of it's reporting."

I don't know whether or not this is correct, but I wasn't sure whether that section should be there or not. Any thoughts?

Just as an aside, I think that a disambiguation page should've been established. --Will alpha-test for food. 03:41, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Picture w/out Copyright tag

Where did that big promo picture come from? WAVY 10 21:40, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

ABC News (disambiguation)

shouldnt searching for 'ABC News' take you to ABC News (disambiguation) with the choice of going to either the Australianor the US one from there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:22, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree, ABC leads to a disambiguation page and so should ABC News. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:29, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Bias Nonsense

Critics of the channel say that ABC News openly promotes liberal and far left political positions. Other critics of the network news organization contend that it is in the pocket of the vast right wing conspiracy and still others declare that it is run by reptoid aliens. How silly and unsubstantiated a charge does it have to be for it to be excised here? Roregan (talk) 05:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Which department at ABC do you work for?

. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:19, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

Requested move to ABC News

  • Support. Moved once again by AusNews. I cannot move the page myself because of the page history. The dis-ambiguation page can stay at ABC News (disambiguation). Georgia guy (talk) 13:25, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. I did move this back for now. This discussion needs to show that either the US version is the primary use or that there is no primary use. Based on that the closing admin can decide what should be where. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:50, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose. God Americans are sooo lazy. Can't even stand to have to click one extra link. THERE IS A WHOLE REST OF THE WHORLD OUT THERE PEOPLE!!! 'Ausnews' is clearly an Aussie, so is clearly going to be right! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:48, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
    • But your comment fails to address the primary usage quetion. Just because there are two or more does not mean there is no primary usage. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:32, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
    • I'll also add that there was consensus on what should be here from the previous discussion. So there needs to be information showing that the previous consensus has changed. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:34, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Does ABC NEWS use Paid Staff to Monitor and Edit This Article?

Does ABC NEWS use Paid Staff or contractors to Monitor and Edit This Article? Any contributions that help answer this question are welcome here. And should also be added to the main article. (talk) 03:21, 23 October 2008 (UTC)



Why have you not made a clear statement that Obama used a Muslim bible to be sworn in as a U. S. senator?

It IS important that we have a non muslim for our president.

my wife and I are international missioaries. We have seen the hatred of the radical muslims in Kenya. Obama's close ties with that religion is very dangerous.

This country was founded by GOD fearing people. Obama is just a slick talking dishonest person with ill intentions for this country.

Wikipedia deals with verifiable information. That statement has been greatly denied [1]. Plus this article is on a news program not on Obama. GtstrickyTalk or C 13:06, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

This does not belong in the Wikipedia

Such scheduling information as is listed in the article is 100% arbitrary by the managers of the TV networks, and the information is subject to be changed at any time at all. The Wikipedia is not a "TV guide" of a cuckoo clock, and such transitory and readily-changeable information does not belong here. I have seen other such items places in other Wikipedia articles, such as railroad schedule information. Such things are non-encyclopedic and unsuitable for placing in the Wikipedia. For Pete's sake, next people will be posting the weather forecasts in the Wilipedia.

"ABC News programming is shown daily on the 24 hour news network Orbit News in Europe and the Middle East. This includes several shows from ABC News. It's also available online at ABC News Now.

"ABC's World News appears regularly at 1.30 am local time on BBC News Channel in the UK, which itself may be simulcast on BBC One or Two during the overnight period. Commercials are removed as the BBC's UK services are financed by a license fee. ABC and the BBC also share video and reporters as needed in producing their newscasts.

"In Australia, ABC World News airs at 10:30 am daily and Nightline airs at 1:30 am daily on Sky News Australia. Primetime airs at 2:00 pm Saturdays (Extended Edition) and 1:30 pm Thursdays. The 20/20 program airs at 2:00 pm Sundays (Extended Edition) and Wednesdays at 1.30 pm. In New Zealand ABC World News airs daily at 5:10 pm and 11:35 pm..." (talk) 20:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Non-neutrality controversy ?

Ongoing complaints of ABC political bias were echoed by critics pointing out an ABC News headline (since removed from ABC's News Web site) describing Palin as a "Pitbull" and the following day placing rapper P. Diddy's video about Sarah Pailinrun on 10/3/2008 on the front page of the ABC News website with the video title on the ABC site: "I'm afraid of Sarah Pailin". Critics point out that ABCs [lack of?] journalistic neutrality and obvious support of one candidate over another come into focus with news coverage like this. P. Diddy has a history of implying that Pailin is racist despite the fact that her husband is of Eskimo descent and her children are bi-racial.

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The result of the move request was: controversial move undone as noted. JHunterJ (talk) 12:56, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

ABC News (America)ABC News — Primary meaning. The dis-ambiguation page, which has other meanings, it at ABC News (disambiguation). Georgia guy (talk) 14:32, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Do you have evidence that the U.S. news service is more notable than ABC News (Australia)? If this article isn't the primary meaning, it should be moved to ABC News (United States). (talk) 20:56, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Anyone have any evidence that ABC News has 2 primary meanings?? Georgia guy (talk) 21:00, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Looking at ABC News (disambiguation), it seems clear that there are multiple news services operating under that name. The Australian service, in particular, seems to be of roughly equal importance to ABC News in the U.S. I haven't heard of ABC News in the Philippines before, but that also looks quite notable. I would advocate moving the disambiguation page to ABC News, rather than have that location as a redirect to this article. (talk) 23:49, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Comment ABC News was moved to ABC News (America) without discussion by Fredrickbutton. Suggest it be moved back prior to commencing any move discussions.--Labattblueboy (talk) 06:03, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
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Is ABC ignoring or underreporting some major news stories???

Does anyone do long-term tracking of ABC & the other mainline media? A major story possibly ignored or underreported by ABC till it got to big to ignore might be the June 6 2010 large protest at Ground Zero against a mega-mosque to be built about 600' away by a controversial leader. I searched ABC's online site for the June 6 2010 protest at Ground Zero (Estimated 5-possibly 10,000 protestors protested against a proposed "mega mosque" at Ground Zero. Search online to see many photos that show a large, peaceful protest with speakers from various racial, ethnic backgrounds on this controversial proposed "mega mosque" and its leader.)

On the ABC online site (as of this day) I do see ABC listed coverage from about June 25 onward. Some charge that ABC and its like under report or ignore some major news stories or cultural phenomenons until they get too large to ignore. Thus, I place this issue in "discussion" instead of into the article. (talk) 18:26, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Headquarter pictures error

The picture describes as the headquartes of ABC News is wrong. The right building is at 121-135 West End Avenue, not at 77 West 66th Street which is the ABC headquarter. --GdGourou - °o° - Talk to me 11:52, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Cell Phones in USA with out FCC approval.

90% of the phones in USA market do not have an Fcc approval. Most of the cell phones are sold here from China,also the power adaptors do not have a UL approval.Sincerely Norbert —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:53, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. The reverse of this proposal has been well discussed in the past and has not received consensus. This page should not be moved without a discussion that shows a clear consensus to support a move to a new title. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:11, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

ABC News (US)ABC News

This page was moved without discussion and the re-direct was edited so that I cannot move it back. Georgia guy (talk) 15:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Oppose. Not the primary topic, ABC News should be turned into a disambiguation page. Jenks24 (talk) 16:47, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
    • Please explain why it is not the primary topic. Georgia guy (talk) 16:51, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
      • I think that ABC News (Albania) and ABC News (Australia) are just as primary as the US one. I am, however, willing to be persuaded otherwise; could you please show me how the US version is the primary topic? Jenks24 (talk) 17:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
        • It is the most well-known meaning. The dis-ambiguation page is at ABC News (disambiguation). Georgia guy (talk) 17:27, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
          • I disagree. It is the most well-known meaning in the US, but certainly not in Albania and Australia. Yes, my proposal was to make ABC News a disambiguation page and make ABC News (disambiguation) a redirect to it. Jenks24 (talk) 17:51, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
            • How about internationally?? Which of these meanings is the most well-known one internationally?? Georgia guy (talk) 17:55, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
              • That's what I'm trying to say, internationally I'm not seeing any evidence that the American version is the primary topic. Jenks24 (talk) 18:10, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
                • Well, you're from Australia, and you just want Wikipedia to favor Australia more. Before making any more comments, please wait until someone who is neither me nor you post in this section. Georgia guy (talk) 18:14, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
                  • Please refrain from making allegations about fellow editors; it does your cause no good at all. I have asked for evidence that the US version is the primary topic and you have not provided any, so I will remain an oppose. I agree that this thread between has degenerated and, as such, this will be my last post to this requested move, but I will note that I only kept commenting because you continued to ask questions of me and I thought we might have a productive discussion. Happy editing, Jenks24 (talk) 18:35, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
                  • I've lived most of my life in California, never been to Australia or Albania (or Armenia, Argentina, Austria ...); yet I'm bothered by US-centrism. —Tamfang (talk) 20:30, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Support reversal of recent undiscussed move from stable title. The US article had 22,749 pageviews last month compared to 607 for Albania and 5,635 for Australia. The US article also has more than three times the number of incoming wikilinks as does the Australia article. These are two of the objective criteria suggested at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Per WP:TWODABS we don't really need a dab page for only three articles; in any case the Australia article should be mentioned in the hatnote so readers can get there with one click, as quickly as through a dab page. Besides, if the article is moved to ABC News (US) literally thousands of incoming links would need to be fixed. Station1 (talk) 19:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
  • I now support the move due to Station1's very logical argument. Thank you for the information on page views and incoming links, Jenks24 (talk) 19:38, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment: As stated by others, a unilateral move should not have been made. There have already been various rename and move discussions such as Talk:ABC News/Archive 1#Proposed Move from ABC News (USA) to ABC News and Talk:ABC News/Archive 1#Requested move. Much worse, the edit to the resulting redirect was basically an unattributed cut and paste move of ABC News (disambiguation). [2] Thus, from a Wikipedia policy point of view, it should be moved back even if this discussion ultimately results in no consensus. That said, I still would not mind a title like American Broadcasting Company News. Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:41, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose varying primary topics depending on North America (US network) or Australasia (Aus network). Disambiguation page should be at primary name. (now if we can only fix Cambridge, Plymouth and Birmingham...) (talk) 06:02, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose American chauvinism. Just because there are more Americans than Australians does not mean the American usage automatically trumps anything else. McLerristarr | Mclay1 07:58, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment: Zzyzx11 is entirely correct that this page should not have been moved to a new title without discussion, and that the disambiguation page should not have been cut-and-paste copied. As a temporary fix, I have redirected ABC News to this article; this restores the status quo ante for all of the (hundreds and hundreds) of other articles that contain links to that title, as well as for external links. Once this discussion is completed, either the disambiguation page or this article can be moved (not copied and pasted) to the plain title in accordance with whatever the consensus turns out to be. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 13:36, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Support: This article is the primary topic for ABC News, as documented by Station1. Also, the disambiguation was done without consensus. Quigley (talk) 21:02, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The mind boggles. Still, not as bad as State University. No primary topic so the undisambiguated name should be a DAB. 12:39, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
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frank haupt--noosa

we are great!!!! if usa wistle we ARE there. korea, VIETNAM, afganistan and iraq.......................... and so on. i think i live in a s... c`ountry. we are a nation? yes we are. the head of the state is a queen from europe. if i want to visit my head of state i nead a permission. w--=-o----w i cant believe what i see in the news. we are n.1. nobody cares about us believe me frank haupt — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:07, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

is a stuopid african wouls handle this. american assleacker — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:10, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Landlords/Slumlords that have drafty windows . windows are 50yrs. old

What can people do when they are getting ripped off? Also what about when I neede A payee when I was living at 10 Townbeach Rd. in Liecestermass. Iwent to the Governors office all I was IGNORED. Then wrote and faxed MY problem to the fallowing Senators for help was IGNORED there ALSO. Sen. Kerry State Rep. James Oday it is just like the others . Im on ssi since 19yrs. of age. I was ripped off 2000+ back in 2000_2003.The Government and all State/Federal say report FRAUD I do NOTHING.The person that stole my ssi checks is LAWERNCE SMITH he is still in LIECESTER MASS. SSI is very aware of this stilla big fat O. Ifaxed to the undercover reporter HANK.My name is Robert Moquin I live @ 830 Westboylston St. Worcester ma. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:29, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


It has occurred to me that there is no criticism or controversies section in this article. Now i'm from the UK and so perhaps don't understand the USA broadcast culture very well... but it seems that CBS News, Fox News, CNN and NBC News/CNBC do have documented criticisms on wiki, but not ABC News... I'm confused!! Bleaney (talk) 13:38, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

mcgovern death.

why was there no mention of the death of George McGovern from South Dakota on the Monday nighly news? He did more good for this country and across the world with his Feed the Hungry. He was an advocate for peace and a real humanatarian. He is someone we should all strive to be like. This country should be made aware of his accomplishments and what a truly good man he was. Instead we heard once again about Lance Armstrong and the man in Michigan who killed 3 people. How about news about a good man! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:20, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguating "ABC News"

Please see the discussion at Talk:ABC News (disambiguation)#ABC News. Thanks. sroc (talk) 10:30, 21 April 2013 (UTC)


What about using Infobox broadcast? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninniuz (talkcontribs) 14:50, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 19 August 2015

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The result of the move request was: undiscussed move reverted. Anyone should feel free to start a new WP:RM, but please refrain from moving the article without first getting a consensus. Jenks24 (talk) 13:20, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

ABC News United StatesABC News – The name of the company is simply ABC News. Less well-known meanings of ABC News are at ABC News (disambiguation), and that page has existed for quite a while. But somebody messed up the titles and made ABC News a dis-ambiguation page. I tried to revert, but I couldn't revert completely. Georgia guy (talk) 12:59, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

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