Talk:ANEC I

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ANEC II[edit]

Article states that the ANEC II is a two-seater, the infobox image seems to show only space for one person?! Cheers Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 22:41, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the front seat is faired over when not used, probably a tight fight! see image http://www.caa.co.uk/applicationmodules/ginfo/ginfo_photo.aspx?regmark=G-EBJO&imgname=G-EBJO001&imgtype=jpg MilborneOne (talk) 08:08, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Aha!! A tight fit indeed! Mystery solved. Cheers Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 21:37, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that it's permanent: see the latest article revision. It was done, it seems, when the ABC engine was added in the 30s and kept in the restoration. Next time one of us is at Old Warden, let's take a close look.TSRL (talk) 10:58, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Australian ANEC Is[edit]

Sanger tells a different story. He agrees G-EBHR (1st prot) went to Australia late '24, but says it had been bought by G.A.V. Church and George Boehm (our/Meggs supposed builder). He says it was re-registered as G-AUET. The Australian built machine (G-AUEQ -> VH-UEQ) was, according to him made by ? for Air Transport Ltd, a company founded by A G Simpson, for joy riding. The only overlapping character in both accounts is Boehm, in different roles (and Miller, see below). He does give a detailed story, with registration dates and cert no.s. It later (Sanger) went to C Fitzgerald for conversion as a hydroplane. Sanger observes that the histories of the two Australians have become intertwined and confused. Hard to judge who is right; I don't have Meggs to hand to look at the detail. Even then ... TSRL (talk) 10:58, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is agreement that Boehm wanted the aircraft for the Richmond competition but did not get it in time. In Sanger's version, Miller would have piloted it.TSRL (talk) 11:05, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Looks confusing just been looking at some of my refs and not all is clear, I will come back later with some thoughts. MilborneOne (talk) 11:53, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • First Aircraft
    • G-EBHR ANEC sporting monoplane (single-seat) (no msn) registered to Herbert Blundell of Luton on 29 August 1923, usual base Brooklands, cancelled as destroyed or permanent withdrawl from use on 19 August 1924. (G-INFO CofR 1022)
    • G-EBHR ANEC I no msn rgd 29 Aug 1923 cancelled to Australia August 1924 to G-AUEQ (AB UK register)
    • Sold to A.G.Simpson of Perth where it first flew in October 1924 as G-AEUQ and cancelled in 1932 (Jackson British Civil Aircraft)
    • G-AUEQ ANEC II #3 (CofR 104) rgd 16 Oct 1924 marks not applied damaged by floodwater at Maylands Aerodrome on 5 January 1927 and after repair was registered as VH-EUQ in December 1930.(AB UK register)
    • Interesting that it appears to be called an ANEC II and has serial no 3 quoted in Australia. MilborneOne (talk)
  • Second aircraft
    • G-EBIL ANEC light monoplane (single seat) (A.N.E.C.1) registered to The Surrey Light Aeroplane Company on 21 November 1923, usual station Addlestone, cancelled as change of ownership 22 January 1926.(G-INFO CofR, 1038)
    • G-EBIL ANEC IA (originally a I converted in July 1925) (#1) registered 21 November 1923 cancelled. (AB UK register)
  • Third aircraft
    • A third ANEC I built for Air Travel (Australia) Ltd was issued with a British CofA on 25 January 1925 and arrived at Rockhampton, Queensland in May 1925 and flown briefly by Church and Boehm as G-AUET until withdrawn from use in May 1926. (Jackson British Civil Aircraft)
    • G-AUET ANEC II #1 (CofR 120) rgd 5 May 1925 cancelled 4 May 1926 (AB UK register)
    • Interesting that it appears to be called an ANEC II and has serial no 1 quoted. Doesnt look like it was built in Australia but flown in the UK unregistered and shipped out! MilborneOne (talk) 13:07, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fourth aircraft (two-seater))
    • G-EBJO we dont really have a problem with her as she still exists.
Good stuff! There would be very close agreement between this account and Sanger's if G-EBHR became G-AUET rather than 'EQ. Then the other Australian would be 'EQ. The Oz c/ns would also make more sense, though 'HR does not seem to have a UK c/n. So its AB register vs AB book! Goldenyears (for what it's worth) is ambiguous, mentions both possibilities. What independent contemporary sources might we turn to? The ANEC II notation is not mentioned by Sanger, though GY also use it. Odd.TSRL (talk) 14:19, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The third aircraft looked like it was shipped in early 1925 which doesnt prevent it ending up as EQ, if the report that EQ was flown in October 24 was just a guess based on the registration dates. Do we have any references to any of them actually flying in 1924 or 1925. The fact that EQ was never painted up and then damaged in a flood and ET being cancelled in early 26 they could have been some donating of (big) bits between the two! MilborneOne (talk) 14:31, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not found any evidence of flying in those years, though I suspect that Flight under CGG was always rather insular.TSRL (talk) 19:35, 10 March 2011 (UTC) There's certainly nothing in Sanger to suggest an Australian build; he just says "was built to the order of ...", implying an ANEC build. Is the British CoA something that would only be done in the UK and apply here, or would it, in those Imperial days be something that covered the Empire, perhaps being done locally?TSRL (talk) 19:57, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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