Talk:Jewish and democratic state

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What does "Jewish" mean in this context?[edit]

Can someone explain what "Jewish" means in this context? Does it relate to a religion, an ethnicity, or both? For example, some time ago Ireland removed the reference to "the special position of the Catholic Church" from its Constitution, thus clarifying the distinction between church/religion and state (or trying to, anyway). Is the same thing possible in Israel, and if not, why not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:44, 26 April 2014 (UTC)


translated from Hebrew wikipedia --Midrashah (talk) 13:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

original research, etc.[edit]

This article seems to be the product of a wikipedia editor's cogitations (originally in the Hebrew version, which as noted above has simply been translated to English here). We might get some mileage from considering the Israel Studies debates on this issue, articles published about ten years ago. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 13:57, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Wrong case[edit]

Neither Democratic nor State have any reason to be capitalized in the article title, I strongly believe. I added a redirect with the proper case, i.e. A Jewish and democratic state.--Blaisorblade (talk) 19:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Moving of quote editorial[edit]

I've deleted the following that was inserted as an editor's note within the body of the extract from The Declaration of Establishment

"...[except, to hold most public offices in Israel one must be an Orthodox Jew; teachers, judges, and other public service employees may only be appointed if confirmed by an Orthodox rabbi]..."

I'm not disputing that the above is the case, nor am I endorsing it as fact. Regardless, it is not appropriate to be *within* the extract itself. Instead, if the original editor wants it included, they should place it (and a suitable reference as backup) outside the quote. If it is indeed true, I'd agree that it is absolutely relevant for this Wikipedia entry, and should be included somewhere, but as I say it should not be *inside* the quote itself.

The reason for this is that the norm for such editorial modifications (i.e. those marked by square brackets) is that they be used merely to clarify meaning where the simple process of creating the extract may have made things less clear. In this case, the edit is adding significant new information as *commentary on* the quote. That is not the appropriate use for such an editorial instrument. (talk) 22:33, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

This article explains what this idea only through primary sources and offers nothing else.[edit]

This article seems to violate WP: PRIMARY since it is significantly quotes drown from and rather than from secondary sources. It reads quite poorly. Also, there should be discussions of how such a system has been received. There are those who believe Israel can be both jewish and democratic and others who believe it such a thing is contradictory. Thoughts? Yaakov Birthright Franklin (talk) 18:42, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Agree. I will have a go at fixing. Oncenawhile (talk) 09:54, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Broken Link[edit]

The external link is broken. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adrien Glauser (talkcontribs) 02:11, 18 February 2015 (UTC)