Talk:A Song for Simeon

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Per request[edit]

A Song for Simeon 
by T.S. Eliot
Written 1928 (1928)
First published in Ariel poems
Illustrator Edward McKnight Kauffer
Publisher Faber and Gwyer, 1928
Publication date 1928 (1928)
Lines 37

Magic requested on my talk. Not sure about genre, didn't find rhyme etc. - Unrequested: you can use Wikisource for Bible quotations, here Luke 2:25–35 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:38, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

  • Thanks Gerda. The questions about genre and form are rather tough to answer, it's best to leave them blank with eliot...he defies the categories. I will definitely look into using wikisource for the bible references/quotations, did not know that was available (other religion articles seems to consistently link offsite).--ColonelHenry (talk) 13:41, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:A Song for Simeon/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: 1ST7 (talk · contribs) 04:34, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

I'll review this article. Initial comments will hopefully be posted soon. --1ST7 (talk) 04:34, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Thank you for taking on the review, I'm looking forward to it.--ColonelHenry (talk) 04:44, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

I apologize for the delay; I've been sick and wanted to do this with a clear head. Here's the review:

  1. Well-written
    • The lead is a little confusing about the portrayal of Simeon - it says that he is depicted as "just and devout" but also that he is given a negative portrayal. Can you please give more explanation for this?
      • Addressed. Without going into excessive detail in the lede, I rephrased the latter sentence regarding the negative portrayal. The just and devout is in reference to the Gospel account which describes Simeon as such.--ColonelHenry (talk) 06:57, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
    • Please mention Eliot's nationality in the opening sentence.
      • Done. That might pose a sticky-wicket, as the parent article T. S. Eliot had a mini-edit war over how to describe him. I put "American-English poet" since Britannica does so.--ColonelHenry (talk) 06:49, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
    • "Faber & Gwyer, Ltd., printed the 'A Song for Simeon' in an 8½" × 5½" Demy Octavo..." I don't think "the" is necessary.
    • Please capitalize the first letter of each bullet point under "Gospel narrative and the Nunc dimittis".
  2. Verifiable with no original research:
  3. Broad in its coverage:
    • What was Eliot's religion before he converted to Christianity?
  4. Neutral:
  5. Stable:
    • No edit wars, etc.
  6. Illustrated, if possible, by images:

I'm going to put the article on hold for a week to give you time to address these things. Thanks for your work! --1ST7 (talk) 06:35, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

  • @1ST7: Don't think I need a week, hopefully the above responses are sufficient.--ColonelHenry (talk) 07:18, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
The article looks good to go now, so I'm passing it. Thanks again for your work; you did an excellent job on this one! --1ST7 (talk) 07:30, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

comment from feedback to be considered.[edit]

Among the feedback offered by various users/readers on this article resulting from its appearance at TFA on 03FEB2014, a comment from an anonIP user, stated: Repeated characterization of the Nunc Dimittis as a "prayer" or implicit request for death is misleading. The tone is one of thanksgiving that Simeon has lived to see the Messias. In context in Luke, Simeon is cast as the last of the OT prophets. Eliot simply picks up on this theme where Luke left off; to see Eliot as any more antisemitic than Christian theology (Judaism as being superseded by Christianity) seems unfair to Eliot. [sic]

Sadly, no literary scholars/critics/etc. that I've come across have embraced this perspective, but it is worth exploring to see (a) if it can be supported/included based on reliable sources, or (b) is such reliable sources emerge in future scholarship. If I come across something along these lines, or another editor has found something, I'll be glad to consider such a view for inclusion in the article. Thank you for your comments and for a very cogent argument. I post this comment here for visibility...both to remind myself and in case anyone else happens by may be interested in exploring the question or knows of such sources. --ColonelHenry (talk) 20:54, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Why the poem isn't included here[edit]

Several feedback comments have expressed that they would like to see the poem text added to the article. That would not be appropriate. Poem was written and published in 1928, it is still under copyright. While small excerpts can be incorporated for analysis under fair use guidelines, putting the entire poem here would violate copyright law. For more information, refer to the manual of style guidelines on lyrics and poetry, WP:LYRICS, and its policy on non-free content: WP:NFC. Also, per the guidelines on external links, WP:EL, adding a link to a external website where the poem is included is not allowed because it contributes to or otherwise perpetuates copyright infringement. --ColonelHenry (talk) 20:09, 18 February 2014 (UTC)