Talk:Abdul Latif Pedram

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Biography[edit]

It would be more than welcome to have some references on mr Pedram Biography. It is said that he is a professor, promoted persian language and so on : could you please show clear references that prove these things ? If i say that it's because i read somethimes that mr Pedram had a PHD from the french university "La sorbonne" in islamic studies, everyone can verify that this is completely wrong : all the PHD degrees are published on the sorbonne's website and there is no Pedram mentionned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.250.221.35 (talk) 09:41, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Controversial?[edit]

user: Scythian1, please explain why you have him described as "controversial" in the lead? Many politicians in Afghanistan are controversial. Including the president Hamid Karzai and most recently (if you have been following the news) Karim Khoram. So why don't you add controversial to lead in their articles as well? The only reason I can think of is that you might not be fond of Latif Pedram. In other words your edit seems to be politically motivated. I cannot think of another reason since there are so many controversial politicians in Afghanistan.

Incorrect wording[edit]

This article refers to the "American military occupation". This is inaccurate. Most of the foreign military forces in Afghanistan are UN-mandated NATO forces, supplemented by a separate UN-approved, international, US-led force under the name Operation Enduring Freedom tasked with targeting of the "Taliban" and "terrorist" networks". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.32.192.33 (talk) 16:54, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

RV[edit]

I have reverted misleading edits and falsifications by an anon IP, and restored the last stable version. Tajik (talk) 18:36, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

removed poorly sourced and unsourced content[edit]

I have reverted an edit by Inuit18 because the claims were not sourced. I have also deleted the following line "Supporters of the right-wing Afghan Mellat party, the main critics of Latīf Pedrām, drove a campaign in Paktia, arranging $200,000 as bounty for his head." from Criticism section because a Hazara nationalist web log was used as a source - which is obviously not a reliable source and it contradicts WP:V. In both cases the wikipedians were trying to attack Afghan Mellat party. (Ketabtoon (talk) 04:59, 8 September 2009 (UTC))

I have removed the unsourced information you added. the National Congress party is not banned and Latif Pedram is not under house arrest still. please if you want to add the information then atleast provide one source.--Inuit18 (talk) 08:28, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I have not added those information. (Ketabtoon (talk) 15:36, 8 September 2009 (UTC))

He lived under house arrest until November when Dostum was freed and Pedram went to Europe for a few months. He is in Kabul right now and was a candidate for the presidential elections.--Inuit18 (talk) 17:48, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, if the house arrest was over, than you can update the information. However, we have to remember that the party was banned and he was put under house arrest for a period of time. (Ketabtoon (talk) 20:58, 8 September 2009 (UTC))

Like I said before, They tried banning the party but parliament did not let this happen. This is why The National Congress Party is still active and the participated in the elections.--Inuit18 (talk) 02:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

It would be a good idea if you can verify your claims. You should be able to find at least a news article which mentions that. (Ketabtoon (talk) 03:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC))

Nationality: Afghan[edit]

How can you impose this identity on him when he doesn't refer to himself as an "Afghan". The best thing to do is to remove the nationality or to add Afghanistani instead of Afghan.--Inuit18 (talk) 02:50, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

There is no such thing as Afghanistani. It does not exist. Afghan is the nationality of every person carrying an Afghan passport or Tazkera (Identity card). What he wants to call himself is his personal issue. This is an encyclopedia not a Tajik nationalist website to use the word Afghanistani. (Ketabtoon (talk) 02:59, 27 October 2009 (UTC))

Afghanistani is a recognized term and many use it. Wikipedia is not a mouthpeice of the Afghan government to label people who are against this term "Afghan". If Afghanistani did not exist it wouldn't have existed here[1].--Inuit18 (talk) 03:18, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

you can revert the article till we reach a consensus.--Inuit18 (talk) 05:37, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

A person not wanting to use a specific term and wants to use another word instead when referring to his nationality is not something that we should be discussing in Wikipedia. Right now the official term for a citizen of Afghanistan is AFGHAN. Any one carrying an Afghan passport or Tazkira(identity card) is an Afghan national whether he likes it or not - if he gets rid of his Afghan passport and Tazkira and sticks to his French passport (which he shouldn't have by now since he was a presidential candidate), than that would be a different case. In his website or other places he is welcome to call himself whatever he/she wants, but this is not the place to use words like Afghani or Afghanistani. This is an encyclopedia and we use the official term. Khushal Khan Khattak's case is different. He is not an Afghan national but an ethnic Afghan.
And http://www.thefreedictionary.com is really not a reliable source. That is because any one can add/suggest new terms. The button is located in the right side of the page under "Page tools". (Ketabtoon (talk) 05:49, 27 October 2009 (UTC))

Wikipedia is not the propaganda machine of Afghanistan's government. Afghanistani is a recognized term and calling it incorrect is your POV. I am also from Afghanistan and in the "Taskera" it only states my ethnicity. It is a historic fact that Afghan was imposed on non-Afghans/Pashtuns and there are critics who rather be called Tajik or Afghanistani instead of Afghan inside Afghanistan. We have to respect Pedram's decision and we have no right to impose identities on him that he doesn't approve of.--Inuit18 (talk) 05:59, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Afghanistani was added by an ivy league university known as Princeton. plus, I searched Afghanistani on Google Books and it gave me more than 600 English books which has Afghanistani in it. this discussion has already taken place in this article[2] and there is no need to argue about Afghanistani's legitimacy here because this has already been solved and many admins have agreed to keep this term in this encyclopedia.--Inuit18 (talk) 06:07, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't change the fact that the official term for a national of Afghanistan is AFGHAN. [3], [4]. (Ketabtoon (talk) 06:20, 27 October 2009 (UTC))