Talk:Abortion in the United States

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"Partial Birth Abortion" requires quotation marks[edit]

"Partial Birth Abortion" is not a medical or technical term, and is not recognized by the AMA or the ACOG or any other mainstream medical professional organization. It is a term of right-to-lifist propaganda. To use the term without putting it in quotation marks, especially in a section heading, violates WP:NPOV. I have therefore inserted quotation marks into the section heading. Goblinshark17 (talk) 02:16, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

In that context, it falls under WP:SCAREQUOTES. They need to be rm. If there is a medically-recognized term, perhaps that could be discussed here and that used instead. But readers would have to recognized it as well. Student7 (talk) 14:31, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
I can see leaving the quotation marks out of the section heading, but the first sentence of the section specifically informs the reader that the term is a term of propaganda, used by opponents of the procedure. In a discussion of a term like that, the term should be enclosed in quotation marks to indicate that it is being discussed. Quotation marks are similarly used earlier in the article for the terms "undue burden" and "strict scrutiny". Goblinshark17 (talk) 03:16, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
If you find them unwarranted, please remove them or I can, if you like. Student7 (talk) 14:02, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
No they are warrented, as are the quotation marks around the phrase "partial-birth abortion" when the sentence describes it as a non-medical term, which I am restoring again.
Take for instance the sentence: '"Pink-belly" is the name of a childish prank.' The quotation marks around the phrase "Pink-belly" are necessary and appropriate, and are not "scare quotes". They do not indicate skepticism about the phrase, but merely distinguish it as the subject of the sentence. Without the quotation marks you might write "Pink belly is a childish prank" but never "Pink belly is the name of a childish prank." The use of the phrase "...the name of..." requires quotation marks around the name itself. There, that's a lesson in basic English grammar provided for free by an erstwhile copy-editor. You're welcome. Goblinshark17 (talk) 19:03, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
But this isn't a childish prank, these are scare quotes. Juno (talk) 08:47, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Is that meant to be a joke? As I have explained, quotes are NOT scare quotes but a grammatically required indicator of the role of the phrase in the sentence. Goblinshark17 (talk) 03:16, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Including myself, three editors deem the use of quotation marks in this case as WP:SCAREQUOTES. Regardless of rationale, User:Goblinshark17 should stop inserting them unless that editor can muster consensus on talk. When users disagree on Wikipedia, we use consensus to decide an outcome. In this case, Goblinshark17 seems to be alone in his or her position. Please stop reinserting them. BusterD (talk) 04:01, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
I'll defer to the consensus, but some people around here need to take a course in remedial English grammar. Goblinshark17 (talk) 05:41, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Goblinshark17 is correct. Have a look at [[1]]. This is an issue of mentioning a term rather using it. Without the quotes, the article is using the term (as if endorsing it); if the article is mentioning the term and talking about the term itself and how it is used, rather than using it directly, it needs the Use-Mention distinction quotation marks.Leostaley (talk) 00:04, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Finding out something as simple as the legal gestational limit shouldn't be so difficult[edit]

I'm not from the US and wanted to find out this info. Finding out that basic info on this article was like pulling teeth. The article is far more interested in talking about how things used to be decades ago, even in the section about how things currently are. I'm still not entirely sure.

"Timester" implies a timeframe of 270 days, broken down into 3 90-day periods. This would be a legal definition. For a biological one, see Gestation#Humans. Student7 (talk) 21:19, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Terminology section revert[edit]

I have just changed the terminology section from:

The abortion debate has not typically dealt with a spontaneous abortion, which is commonly referred to as a miscarriage until several states passed laws in 2013 prohibiting a woman who miscarried from receiving medical treatment for 48 hours after diagnosis and forcing her to undergo an additional ultrasound prior to her procedure.

to:

The abortion debate does not deal with a spontaneous abortion, commonly referred to as miscarriage.

The latter version is how the article appeared in 2013, prior to an unsourced change that has somehow stuck ever since. I can find no sources for these supposed state laws, and can find no mention of them elsewhere in this article or in Abortion in the United States by state. Given the rather bold claim that there are states have passed laws to delay medical treatment for a miscarriage, I'm reverting the change until a source for these laws surfaces. Cannolis (talk) 00:38, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Important enough, that no one should get this far in the article without knowing that. I moved both to the top of the article under the template "distinguish." Not clear to me that miscarriage belongs there, since the phrase alone seems self-explanatory. I don't know about "delaying treatment for miscarriage." I hadn't heard that before. Student7 (talk) 14:17, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

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Qualifying requirements[edit]

I have restored a reference to UCSF article with color-coded map indicating which states allow non-physician health-care professionals to do abortions. Source is dated, says California only allows them to do medical abortions, which is no longer true, Cal now allows them to do aspiration abortions too, but I cannot find any more current reference to list of states which allow them to do medical abortions, which is essential information for the article (IMHO). HandsomeMrToad (talk) 00:52, 12 June 2016 (UTC)