Talk:Religious views of Abraham Lincoln

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"Saviour of the world"[edit]

"We further say, that with however much care selections may be made, there will be some unfaithful and dishonest in both classes. The experience of the whole world, in all by-gone times, proves this true. The Saviour → of the world chose twelve disciples, and even one of that small number, selected by superhuman wisdom, turned out a traitor and a devil. And, it may not be improper here to add, that Judas carried the bag---was the Sub-Treasurer of the ← Saviour and his disciples."

The above quote is from a Lincoln speech about the Sub-Treasury, 12/26/1839, the text of which is found at;cc=lincoln;type=simple;rgn=div1;q1=Saviour;singlegenre=All;view=text;subview=detail;sort=occur;idno=lincoln1;node=lincoln1%3A193#hl1. It's in the UMich "Collected works of Abraham Lincoln".

In this case, the Saviour of the world can only refer to Jesus.

never made a standard profession[edit]

Although there is no evidence that Lincoln became an official church member, his Christian profession was rather explicit in his writings and declarations: AbrahamLincolnOnline has collected a sample of these that makes the case clear

Lincoln's 1864 account of his conversion and his profession "I do love Jesus" are about as standard a profession as one can ask for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hilltoppers (talkcontribs) 22:56, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

the 1864 account of his conversion and his profession "I do love Jesus" first appeared in a sermon by a Wisconsin Baptist minister who never knew Lincoln. No one ever claimed to have heard Lincoln make such a statement. In his authentic statements Lincoln almost never mentions Jesus. See Paul F. Boller Jr, and John George They Never Said It: A Book of Fake Quotes, Misquotes, and Misleading Attributions: A Book of Fake Quotes, Misquotes, and Misleading Attributions (Oxford University Press, 1989.) p 91 looks at the evidence and concludes, "It is highly unlikely that Lincoln ever said anything like it." Rjensen (talk) 05:59, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Lincoln and Darwin[edit]

Via Google News I came across a blog post from the Discovery Institute challenging a portion of this article stating that Lincoln was an advocate of Darwin, and indeed yesterday an IP editor deleted the paragraph entirely. Reading into the sources, it seems that they do have a point; the sources do not claim that Lincoln was a big reader of Darwin—in fact it says Lincoln found Darwin difficult to follow—but that Lincoln did read another work discussing evolution, and was persuaded by that work. Therefore, I've restored and re-edited the graf in such a way that includes what seems to be a fair summary of Lincoln's views, based on these works from his era. WWB (talk) 17:06, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Little Pigeon "Primitive Baptist" Church of Christ[edit]

Little Pigeon is a Primitive Baptist Church, a faction of Baptists following the historic Predestinarian doctrines of the old Particular Baptists. It still exists today, in Lincoln Park, with much of his family buried in the cemetery beside the church building. It is a shame the association with the Primitives isn't reflected in the title of Little Pigeon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:23, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

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