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Creation of Adam date[edit]

According to the book "Genesis Genealogies" by Rev. Abraham Park, which contains the Chronology of the Patriarchs, Adam was created in 4,114 BC. Any thoughts on this? NHRHS2010 RIP M.H. (1994-2014) 14:57, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Actually his existence is disputed, and we certainly don't know a date. Park in any case fails WP:RS To actually state that Adam was born (which I still think requires a mother and a father, both homo sapiens) violates WP:NPOV. Dougweller (talk) 18:06, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Mdc_on_ca (talk) added:

It needs to be noted here that many people believe that Adam was created through genetic manipulation [1] of the native Homo Sapiens of Earth and the "Gods" who were Extra Terrestrials. Homo Sapiens made a giant leap in intelligence and brain volume that does not align with standard evolution rate. [2]

It should also be noted that there is proof of intelligent life on Earth at least 10,000 years ago in Göbekli Tepe, Turkey. There are giant multi tonne stones with intricate carvings as part of a village that was buried about 10,000 years ago. (Possibly by flood??) [3] If the "intelligent" people that carved and moved the giant stones then were human, then the birth date of Adam had to be before that. It is possible that non-humans built it but I personally believe humans constructed it.

It also needs to be mentioned here the other theories. Current religion implies that out current monotheistic "God" created Adam and then created Eve from Adam and that all people on Earth descended from them. The date is unclear in every reference but it is assumed to be before the great flood [4] about 8000 years ago. Scientists are now linking the last ice age (26,000 to 13,300 years ago) [5] to human evolution history.


Mdc on ca (talk) 09:20, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

See WP:FRINGE and WP:No original research. Wikipedia sides with mainstream science and history. We don't say "many people" when it's really "ironically oblivious fantasy authors Zecharia Sitchen and Erich von Däniken, and their overly credulous and under parsimonious fans." We do not cite our own articles. When we cite sources, they have to actually support the claims that they're being cited for (for example, Genetic engineering says jack shit about Adam). Science says that modern Homo Sapiens Sapiens is way the fuck older than 10,000 years old, so the date for "Adam" is well the hell before Göbekli Tepe, which makes it far less of a surprise. Occam's razor would limit us to assuming that intelligent humans built it since we know those were around but we still haven't found any solid evidence for extraterrestrial life (let alone intelligent extraterrestrial life).
Other theories do not need to be mentioned if mainstream academia thinks those other theories are crazy fantasies. Ian.thomson (talk) 09:37, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Bible Origins[edit]

Genesis 1:26 - Bereshit 1:26 (torah) Why have I not seen any commentary about this?

Torah: [6] says: "our image and likeness"

King James Bible: [7] "our image... our likeness"

Sumerian "Creation" tablets. I have been comparing the Sumerian creation (myth) with the Bible and Torah. [8] The Wikipedia reference dates it to 1600bc. Some people like Sitchin believe that the tablets date back to just before the pyramids were built. It points to a lot of things were changed in the history when the Babylonians and the Akkadians took over the kingdom around 3500BC. I read that the Egyptian Kings got their schooling from Mesopotamia, learning advanced math, geometry and astronomy. Their number systems back then was based 60-60 like our 360 degrees-minutes-seconds and 12/24 hour clock. They understood Pi and the golden number. All these were decoded from the Sumerian tablets. There is references to the 9 planets in our solar system back then and tablets with distances to local stars.[9][10]

Nobody has commented on God creating man in "OUR" image and likeness? Are we still being repressed or censored my a monotheistic culture? I know that we all have been taught about Adam being the first human, but what about where the Torah and Bible came from? The Sumerian "Creation Myth" seems to me to be not a myth but stories that were handed down and finally transcribed onto a tablet. Is it a coincidence that the stories parallel the bible in so many ways including the great flood?

My main point here is that Adamu or Adam or ha'adam (the man) as God was narrating it was created in OUR image implying that God was not alone. My perspective on this is that OUR refers to what we interpret now as His angels. Back then the Sumerians, and up to and including the Romans, and the Greeks, believed in the "gods" and that they were not of this earth.

There is a theory that the "gods" were here for a very, very long time and were mining gold. They got tired of the labour and decided to create a helper "man" to do the work for them so they could rest (on the seventh day). Just like the most of the amateur archaeologists ignore the fact that 6000 years ago water levels were a lot higher than they are now, most amateur historians are ignoring the fact that we interpret our history differently now than we did 5000 years ago. Things are not the same now that they were at the end of the last ice age and how we perceive a monotheistic "God" now is different.

I hope that in the discussions about Adam - the man, that somebody finds the wisdom to change the interpretation of the reference to God as PLURAL.

References

Mdc on ca (talk) 13:16, 17 December 2013 (UTC)mdc_on_ca (Edited) Mdc on ca (talk) 08:38, 10 October 2016 (UTC) brought back from archive for editing

Wikipedia regards the works of Sitchin, von Däniken, and other "ancient astronauts" advocates as crackpottery. Wikipedia does not use original research. Wikipedia does not dedicate any space to works not covered by professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources. Talk pages are not for discussing the general topic but for improvement of the article. The "Our" image bit is taken to mean God was conversing with lesser deities (if you ask historians, per archaeological evidence that the Israelites were more henotheistic than monotheistic) or angels (if you ask most theologians, as if there's any practical difference between henotheism and monotheism). References are not places for you to stuck in opinions outright wrong claims like 'some of Sitchin's theories make sense.' Sitchin made up claims of nine planets with accurate distances (and the few things that could be misconstrued as any additional knowledge beyond the naked-eye astronomy is usually way off), and missed that the Sumerians had possibly one of the most inefficient writing systems possible, and used base 12/60 because you can count 12 knuckles with your thumb on one hand (times 5 fingers on the other, there's 60). Oh, and nevermind that the Sumerians completely lacked a vocabulary necessary to be usable slaves of a technologically advanced race. There is a reason that most mainstream academia does not even bother to dismiss Sitchin's claims: they are not even wrong. Ian.thomson (talk) 09:53, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Adam in Yazidi / Ezidi Religion[edit]

As the Ezidi (sometimes called Yazidi) religion is older than christianity and possible also older than the jewish fate, one should include aspects from this religion. In addition, the Bible mentions the paradise to be at the sources of Euphates and Tigris rivers, that is in the northen part of Kurdiwtan, where the Ezidi religion is present (while its centre is the Jurdish northern Iraq).

There, Adam as name means either "The First" or "The First Rightful", which explains, that in some Qewls (Ezidi oral stories of the origin of their religion) Adam is the first man created by God, sometime the first of God's crations that shall rule above all others including the seven (arch-)angels. He had a wife Eve (Hewa in Kurdish), who brought hiom to sin, while this first sin was not to eat an apple but to eat wheat. In this context the origin of sin by doing this is much clearer. Having wheat means agriculture instead of nomadic gathering and hunting. It means with doing so (eating the wheat) there also comes possession (of fields, which is not necessary for nomads) and heritage, and certainly fight for something to posess.

Further, Adam and Eve are not the only humans, as the Ezidis themselves view their heritage as children of Adam, but not of Eve.

As this religion was present in Mesopotamia four milennia ago and even earlier, it is possible, even probable, that some or many aspects of Adam and Eve were copied from the Ezidi "original". Knowledge of the Adam and Eve story can be assumed to be present in the Sumer culture, Medic culture and pre-silamic Iranian and Arabian cultures, and hence could have found its way easily into Hebrow chronicles, as they were recorded at or later as Moses' arrival in present day Israel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.83.100.218 (talk) 15:28, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

  1. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_engineering # Genetic Engineering
  2. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Aliens # Ancient Alien Television Series
  3. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe # Göbekli Tepe
  4. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth # Flood Myth and theories
  5. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age#Glacial_stages_in_North_America # Ice Ages article
  6. ^ http://bible.ort.org/books/torahd5.asp?action=displaypage&book=1&chapter=1&verse=26&portion=1 # Torah Reference
  7. ^ http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-1-26/ # Bible Reference
  8. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_creation_myth # Wikipedia Creation Myth
  9. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin # Zecharia Sitchin Sumerian Tablets and creation myth
  10. ^ # Sitchin is a controversial author and some mistakes were proven but some of his theories make sense