Talk:Adverse Childhood Experiences Study

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Reason behind move[edit]

According to Wikipedia's conventions for naming articles, the name of this article should be the actual name, NOT the name followed by a nickname, abbreviation, acronym, etc. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:25, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Correlation, not causation[edit]

Oxford University epidemiologist Sarah Floud has cautioned that the association between adverse childhood experiences and later illness does not itself prove that a causal relationship exists (see Correlation does not imply causation).[1]

This seems like an instance of WP:FALSEBALANCE and WP:UNDUE weight, begging the question of whether the researchers claim correlation proves causation; to my knowledge, they do not. For instance, Felitti has pointed to the strong dose-response relationship between ACEs and later risk-taking and health problems as strong circumstantial evidence for causation, but does not claim proof of causation. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 13:25, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

In comparison, this passage from the W.H.O.'s guide to preventing child maltreatment suggests that the study's premises and conclusions are largely accepted in the medical field:

The adverse childhood experiences (ACE) study, in which some 17,300 middle-aged, middle-class and mostly employed residents of the state of California participated, suggests that childhood maltreatment and household dysfunction contribute to the development – decades later – of the chronic diseases that are the most common causes of death and disability in the United States. The study examined the long-term effects of maltreatment and household dysfunction during childhood [...] Maltreatment and other adverse childhood experiences may thus be among the basic factors that underlie health risks, illness and death, and could be identified by routine screening of all patients.

— World Health Organization and International Society for Prevention of Child Abuse and Neglect (2006). Preventing child maltreatment: a guide to taking action and generating evidence (PDF). Geneva, Switzerland. p. 12. ISBN 9-24-159436-5.

Per Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources#Reliability in specific contexts, such a source should carry much greater weight than a single expert quoted in the news media. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 09:31, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Technical report: Lifelong Effects of Early Childhood Adversity and Toxic Stress[edit]

An interesting report from the American Academy of Pediatrics that mentions the ACE study:

Sangdeboeuf (talk) 04:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC) (edited 02:24, 13 December 2018 (UTC))

Mentions 10 Adverse Conditions and then lists 9[edit]

Seems like this might be an editing issue. I came here to find the official list of 10. —joeFriday—  {talk}  00:19, 21 May 2018 (UTC)]

Never noticed that myself. Could it be that the "Parental separation or divorce" should have been two different items instead of one? CryMeAnOcean (talk) 19:05, 2 August 2018 (UTC)


The definition of trauma-informed/trauma-sensitive education requires more in depth clarification. I found some empirical references (journal studies) that could add pertinent information to the education section:

Plumb, J. L., Bush K. A., Kersevich, S. E. (2016). Trauma-Sensitive Schools: An Evidence Based Approach. School Social Work Journal, 40 (2), 37-60.

Florian, L., Linklater, H. (2010). Preparing teachers for inclusive education: using inclusive pedagogy to enhance teaching and learning for all. Cambridge Journal of Education, 40 (4), 369-386.

Sommer, C. A. (2008). Vicarious traumatization, trauma-sensitive supervision, and counselor preparation. Counselor Education And Supervision, 48(1), 61-71. doi:10.1002/j.1556-6978.2008.tb00062.x

Dorado, Joyce S. (2016). Healthy Environments and Response to Trauma in Schools (HEARTS): A whole-school, multi-level, prevention and intervention program for creating trauma-informed, safe and supportive schools. School Mental Health., 8(1), 163-176.

Blodgett, C., Lanigan, J. D. (2018). The association between adverse childhood experience (ACE) and school success in elementary school children. School Psychology Quarterly, 33(1), 137-146. doi:10.1037/spq0000256

Roseahrens (talk) 18:53, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 2 August 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 16:41, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Adverse Childhood Experiences StudyAdverse Childhood Experiences – This page and related material covers the entire topic of Adverse Childhood Experiences, not just the initial "study". Roseahrens (talk) 16:41, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 23:51, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
  • In that case it obviously would have to be Adverse childhood experience, per WP:PLURAL and WP:NCCAPS / MOS:CAPS. However, I'm skeptical that this scope generalization is what everyone would agree with; it may be that we should merge the material that isn't about the study to Childhood trauma rather than make what appears to be a WP:CONTENTFORK from it. The lead is about the study, so it's a body-material focus matter. I note that someone has already moved the page to Adverse Childhood Experiences in response to the original request while I was writing this objection; so I'm controverting the move.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  23:30, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now. The various programs described in the article that deal with "ACEs" seem to be based on, or using the terminology of, the original study. Any off-topic material that deals with ACEs themselves (unrelated to the study) can be moved to Childhood trauma if needed. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 22:32, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Help with Sources[edit]

I assisted in the creation of the Faith Based Organizations section of this article. I sure could use some help on how to make reference to secondary and tertiary sources. I've read the wiki articles on this and it still is not clear on what needs to be done. Thanks! Dale Fletcher (talk) 20:14, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Secondary sources are those that analyze, interpret, evaluate and synthesize information taken from sources close to the events described; they are one or more steps removed from those events. These are sources such as scholarly monographs and other academic works, along with major newspapers and mainstream magazines. A good place to start is at the links in the box at the top of this page after "Sources for development of this article..." Most importantly, third-party sources are needed to establish the relevance of any events to the topic at large. Without such sources, the information may be unduly weighted for the article. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 02:05, 15 December 2018 (UTC)