Talk:AgustaWestland AW101

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Good article AgustaWestland AW101 has been listed as one of the Engineering and technology good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
January 31, 2012 Good article nominee Listed

Post-GA improvements[edit]

After a review, this article was promoted to Good Article status at the end of January. Are there any issues left from that or others? -Fnlayson (talk) 20:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Scott Belzonitt raised an issue but he raised it at the GA talk page which is, of course, now finalised. See Scott's diff. Scott's issue concerns the Doppler Velocity System. I have no knowledge of that system so I can't comment on whether his suggestion should be implemented or not. Dolphin (t) 11:31, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
I've had a think and suggest that the sentence "The Mk1 and Mk3 are equipped with a Doppler velocity system (DVS) instead of being reliant upon conventional pitot tube instrumentation;[52] the DVS is also linked into the AFCS as part of the autostabilisation system." should be replaced with "The Mk1 and Mk3 are equipped with a Doppler velocity system (DVS) which provides ground relative velocity;[52] this is used for navigation and is also linked into the AFCS as part of the autostabilisation system." Scott belzonitt (talk) 17:52, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
  • OK, but what reference(s) cover this change? -Fnlayson (talk) 17:55, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
sorry, the reference that was there [52] is the correct one. It gives all the information on the DVS, stating that it outputs earth and surface relative velocities. My concern is that the statement about not being reliant on conventional pitot instrumentation is incorrect. The aircraft has 3 pitot-static systems which are the source of all the air data necessary for flight. They are just as critical in this aircraft as they are in most others. Scott belzonitt (talk) 20:39, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Right, and the reference does not get into any pitot tube systems as well. The wording has been adjusted similar to the above. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:55, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Merlin Mk3A alpha upper or lower case?[edit]

I recently changed the alpha designation for the Mk3A to lower case. This has been undone and a suggestion that the subject is brought up on the talk page. Hopefully I can explain why I made the change and provide a reference. The designation on all information I have seen from the RAF or MoD refers to the aircraft as the Merlin HC Mk3a this is sometimes shortened in common usage to Merlin HC.3a. The manufacturer documentation refers to it as the Merlin Mk3A.

RAF Merlin page

RAF Benson page

MoD Equipment Factsheet for Merlin

It is unusual to see the alpha in lower case, but it is used consistently throughout the RAF and MoD documentation for this aircraft. I therefore suggest if we are being specific about using the HC designation we should also use 3a to be consistent with RAF published information. Scott belzonitt (talk) 17:53, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

I questioned the use of lower case as the RAF has not used a lower case letter suffix for at least fifty or sixty years. I can see the refs you have provided and cant dispute they use lower case but I suspect it is more to do with being written by editor who did not know the correct form. I would be interested if you could find any official (rather than journalistic) documentation from the MoD or RAF that use lower case. Certainly Agusta Westland use the correct upper case. MilborneOne (talk) 18:28, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
If you look at other aircraft on the RAF website then they all have the alphas as uppercase. My conclusion is that there is a specific reason all three authors chose to use a lower case. I haven't found the reason yet. I'm not sure what other documentation you are looking for, what do you suggest that may be in the public domain? Do you have any official RAF documentation that shows it listed as 3A for comparison? Ultimately it is unimportant to me as I know what I refer to it as, so you decide whether you want to leave the article inconsistent with the official public domain information as you made the original change. If I find a reason that they have used a lower case I'll let you know, as also if I find it is a typo. As you say AgustaWestland use 3A but don't tend to use the HC, simply Merlin Mk3A. Scott belzonitt (talk) 19:59, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Capacity: 8 troops?[edit]

This seems absurdly low for such a large aircraft - are you sure this is what the reference says, and if so, is it reliable, and is the number given in a specific context. A quick google comes up with ~20-30 as a maximum, which seems much more reasonable. 90.199.218.209 (talk) 20:49, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that is what the reference says, and yes, it is reliable - the HM.1 is the anti-submarine version, not the troop carrier version, and will still contain significant equipment in the cabin even when the sonar is removed. The dedicated troop transport helicopters do have a much greater capacity (30 seated or up to 45 standing) but those are differnt models wth different specifications.Nigel Ish (talk) 21:00, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
The Design section lists the max capacity for troops and stretchers for other versions. That seems to cover things OK. -Fnlayson (talk) 21:05, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

HM2 photos[edit]

The UK MoD has just released some nice photos of the HM2 under the Commons-compatible Open Government Licence. Aside from some nice external shots of the latest AW101 variant (in particular 45155783.jpg), they've got internal shots of the new cockpit and operator stations which would introduce some variety in the images in the article, as well as being of interest in their own right, if someone wants to do the necessary? 82.27.3.180 (talk) 13:02, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

814 Tiger Stripes[edit]

Just removed the reference to 814 NAS in the caption for the photo of a Merlin loaded with Sting Ray torpedos. While the aircraft, ZH860, is painted with the squadron's tiger stripe scheme the Merlins at RNAS Culdrose regularly rotate through squadrons, so this helicopter can serve on any of the Merlin squadrons in the Fleet Air Arm. Candymanyyyy (talk) 21:55, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

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Name - originally EHI01?[edit]

I expected to find somewhere on this page a mention that early in its development the helicopter (the first from European Helicopter Industries, EHI) was designated the EHI01 (third character a letter I, not a number 1) but that this was read out incorrectly as "EH 101" by a politician or other dignitary giving a speech about the new project, and the company decided to quietly alter the name rather than publish a correction to the announcement. I was told this by someone involved in the RAF's procurement of the Merlin, but of course such hearsay isn't sufficient to add it to the article. I wonder if anyone can find a more reliable source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.93.191.159 (talk) 12:56, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

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Notable crashes[edit]

The RN Merlin that went in at CU did not have a crack- the internal bracket that held the tail rotor blade trunion had worn away its sacrificial Teflon layer (in lieu of a bearing). Metal on metal contact meant that the pilot could not adjust the tail rotor pitch, and could not correct the roll that put it into the ground. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.223.208.130 (talk) 21:11, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Source? - BilCat (talk) 21:24, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

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