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Former good article nominee Air Berlin was a Engineering and technology good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
July 29, 2012 Good article nominee Not listed


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It's a small point, but was it the Allies or the occupying powers (France, US, Britian, Solviet Union) that were permitted to fly out of Berlin? DJ Clayworth 18:09, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

The occupying powers. Of course, the Allies generally were flying out of West Berlin and the Soviets out of East Berlin. TL, 8 May 2006.

It appears that the official fleet size of Air Berlin is either 54 or 58, depending on which part of the website you look at -- airberlin:Facts and Figures or airberlin.com:The Fleet. Either number seems low. Does anybody have information (with a source, please) on the latest figures?

Fair use rationale for Image:Air Berlin logo.png[edit]

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History[edit]

Have amended and expanded the "History" section by adding and referencing further relevant facts relating to the company's formative period during the Allied/Cold War era. Have also added a new category "Defunct airlines of the United States" as the original company Air Berlin, Inc. has been superseded by Air Berlin GmbH & Co. Luftverkehrs AG. Technically, these are two separate companies, with the former ceasing to exist in 1990 when it was bought out by German shareholders and reconstituted as the latter under German company law. Therefore, that company is now defunct. Pimpom123 16:21, 05 December 2007 (GMT)

Perhaps they should be different articles for the American-owned and Germany-owned eras. MilborneOne (talk) 19:51, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

The logo being used in the article is outdated. Air Berline recently changed their livery, logo, website appearance, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.242.73.200 (talk) 16:15, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

NPOV removal from article[edit]

The following has been removed from the article due to it being blatantly WP:NPOV.

On June 2008 airberlin's CEO, Joachim Hunold, published an editorial[1] where he attacks the use of the Catalan language, saying that it is "like going back to the Middle Ages" and "using Spanish is enough". As in Catalan speaking places of spain this kind of speech is linked to the fascist regimes of the 20th century (Nationalsocialism), this political attack made by an important German company caused a big scandal[2][3]. In 2007 airberlin had attacked using similar words the possibility that the Spanish government invested less in the Madrid airport and a little more in Barcelona's El Prat[4].

--Россавиа Диалог 02:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Look here too: User talk:Martí Cabré#Air Berlin! --CeGe (talk) 14:47, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

"operating as airberlin"[edit]

Air Berlin is in no way operating as "airberlin". They did change their logo, however they still spell themselves "Air Berlin" in written text. Check the "our company" section on their website or German wikipedia. There are also no results for site:airberlin.com airberlin -"airberlin.com" on Google. I'm gonna revert those changes as they are misleading. --Studmult (talk) 10:45, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I changed "operating" to "stylized". NagamasaAzai (talk) 16:37, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Fleet Thumbnails[edit]

Hey, well I did add thumbnails into the fleet chart, as per the Air Canada chart. It seems to be the newer form of fleet tables that seems to be used for various other notable airlines, such as Delta and JAL.

However, it has since been removed. Should I re-add it back in?

NagamasaAzai (talk) 16:37, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: TheSpecialUser (talk · contribs) 14:12, 29 July 2012 (UTC) A quick fail. Giving issues in next edit. TheSpecialUser TSU 14:12, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

It was a rushed nomination by an IP address. This article is nowhere near to get to GA status. Here are just few issues that I see: Neutrality- The article is no written in a neutral way. There are peacock terms, and also promotional lines which need to be re-written. Prose is pretty bad and need throughout copyediting. Refs- many facts are not sourced and many are un-reliable sources. This is just an 10 second review. If wen't deep under, many issues exist. Thus I'm failing it. If someone wants a detailed reason for quick-fail, feel free to ping me on my talk. TheSpecialUser TSU 14:31, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Biased Criticism[edit]

The sections detailing criticism are biased and poorly sourced. Two are just message board postings, effectively anonymous, and the rest of the criticism consists of poor ratings on a couple of websites (with which, I wish to note, that I'd never heard of before). Furthermore a rating of 1.8 on ReviewCentre.com sounds bad, until you realise that, in fact, the very best-rated airlines only receive 2.5-2.7. On Airlikes there are only 10 reviews, of which two are by the same user. In the absence of any evidence that these problems occur to any significant proportion of the airlines customers, they should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.247.101.115 (talk) 15:59, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Reads like a PR announcement[edit]

I came here for information about the airline, not advertising. In addition, this is very poorly translated from the original German. I would do it myself but I don't really care. 87.111.43.138 (talk) 13:06, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. You are right, the overall quality of this article is indeed inferior. Especially concerning the history section: From 2010 onwards, it's more or less a random collection of incoherent news bits. The task "improve AB article" is now on my to-do list; I hope that I'll find the time and get this done (or rather, started) during the next few weeks.--FoxyOrange (talk) 15:32, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
I've just flagged the article accordingly. Also, please note that there is an obvious promotional account: Airberlingroup (talk · contribs). It has been blocked by now, but (as far as I can see) many of its edits (which were added in March 2013) are still there.--FoxyOrange (talk) 12:52, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
I've identified another two problematic user accounts (concerning the NPOV policy); both which were used exclusively to edit the article about Air Berlin: Onred ab (talk · contribs) and 217.7.56.20 (talk · contribs).--FoxyOrange (talk) 13:22, 13 August 2013 (UTC)