Talk:al-Qaeda

Semi-protected edit request on 3 July 2014

37.15.182.33 (talk) 19:07, 3 July 2014 (UTC) Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has admitted that Washington has founded Al-Qaeda.

In an interview on Wednesday at the U.S. network Fox News, Clinton admitted that the U.S. government He created Al-Qaeda.

He also stated that the group was funded and equipped with missiles, as well as everything they needed.

The U.S. official explained that the initiative to create this paramilitary organization currently employs terrorist practices around the world, was the U.S. government.

"When the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, we had this bright idea to go to Pakistan and create a force of Mujahideen or militants, equip them, we gave them missiles and everything else, that will face the Soviets in Afghanistan, we succeeded. The Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan and let these fanatics trained and well-armed militants in Afghanistan and Pakistan, "he said.

U.S., mentor of the terrorist cell of the revelations of the Secretary of State itself, invaded Afghanistan in 2001 under the pretext of fighting "international terrorism" military adventure that has claimed the lives of thousands of Afghan civilians.

Not done: False information, not even an attempt at false sources. Dustin (talk) 19:12, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

This editor is being misleading, but not entirely inaccurate. Clinton did not claim that the US created al-Qaeda but she did discuss how the US funded the mujahideen - Operation Cyclone. DylanLacey (talk) 04:45, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 July 2014

please let me edit this 24abhiabhyudaya (talk) 05:12, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. —cyberpower ^Chat_Online 09:13, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Wrong and outdated flag

The flag shown is not the flag used by the international al-Qaida organization, it is the design that was used by al-Zarqawi's group in Iraq, which operated as Jama'at at-Tawhid wa-al-Jihad pre-2004, and as Tanzim al-Qa'idah fi Bilad ar-Rafidayn (al-Qaida in Iraq) from 2004-2006.

JTJ:

• http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41739000/jpg/_41739520_tawhidflag_afp416.jpg
• http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/bigley1.gif
• http://www.septicisle.info/uploaded_images/Hostage_kim-778661.jpg
• http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40318000/jpg/_40318377_203bi_hostages.jpg

AQI:

• http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/alqaeda1.jpg
• http://www.alsumaria.tv/newsimages/NB-81482-635130196974777327.jpg
• http://www.septicisle.info/uploaded_images/Shosei_Koda-726836.jpg
• http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/koda2.jpg

As can be seen in the above photos, there was no standard flag JTJ or AQI flag. The size, writing style, and word arrangement differed between individual flags. The only consistency is the shahadah on top, a solid circle in the middle, and the name of the organization around or below the circle.

Flag of al-Qaeda.svg should not redirect to Flag of al-Qaeda_in_Iraq.svg. The yellow on black flag was specifically used only by Zarqawi's group, not al-Qaida central or even any other al-Qaida affiliates. From an interview with Major Doug Walter: "they actually found black flags with the yellow moon in the middle that was Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's symbols" [1]. Dr. Markus Kaim as well writes of the flag as specifically Zarqawi's, not al-Qaida's: "His group also designed its own black flag, which sported a yellow circle at its center, most likely signifying the rising sun. Above the circle the militants had written the Muslim profession of faith and below the name of the organization. All these activites pointed at Zarqawi's self confidence as a terrorist leader equal to Bin Laden and Zawahiri." [2]

From a recent article regarding fighting between ISIS and Jabhat an-Nusrah: "The traditional al-Qaeda flag has a black rectangular background with the words “There is no god but God and Muhammad is the messenger of God” written in the Thuluth Islamic script." (i.e., Flag_of_Jihad.svg) ... "After this split [between ISI and al-Qaida], Jabhat al-Nusra abandoned the ISI flag, which it raised for two years in Syria and adopted the original al-Qaeda flag, with the addition of the words “Jabhat al-Nusra”" (Flag_of_the_Al-Nusra_Front.svg) ... "The leaders of the international al-Qaeda organization never raised the ISI flag, even in the early phases, when the two organizations were considered one. Osama bin Laden appeared in speeches, messages and photos with the original al-Qaeda flag in the background. No pictures were found showing Zawahri with any flag. For background, he uses a white cloth or a bookshelf." Although this last quote is referring to the flag of the Islamic State of Iraq, it applies equally to the flag of JTJ/AQI - al-Qaida central never used it. --Axiom292 (talk) 10:03, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Al-Qaeda number of operatives?

Many number in this articles seem outdated. The 2,500 operatives in Iraq ignores the present day situation with the Islamic State. Many former Al-Qaeda fighters in both Syria and Iraq have left Al-qaeda and joined the Islamic state reducing the number of Al-Qaeda operatives. If there is any information available on how many Al-Qaeda fighters joined the Islamic State that might be important to add in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.84.222.21 (talk) 20:56, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Number of Al-Qaeda operatives - part two

Many numbers in this articles seem outdated. The 2,500 operatives in Iraq ignores the present day situation with the Islamic State. Many former Al-Qaeda fighters in both Syria and Iraq have left Al-qaeda and joined the Islamic state reducing the number of Al-Qaeda operatives. The 2,500 Al-Qaeda operatives in Iraq used to be "Al-Qaeda in Iraq" which is now the Islamic State. 10,000 fighters from the Al-Qaeda group Al-Nusra have also joined the Islamic state in reaction to their recent successes. Evidence for the 10,000 fighters joing ISIS is due to reports before that Al-Nusra had 15,000 fighters and now reports are saying that Al-Nusra only has 5,000 fighters. Logically this would mean they either disbanded or joined the Islamic State.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2669218/ISIS-doubles-size-one-fell-swoop-merges-al-Qaedas-15-000-strong-Syrian-offshoot-border-Iraq.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Nusra_Front

I recommend the following changes be made: Remove numbers on Al-Qaeda operatives in Iraq, and reduce Al-Qaeda number of operatives in Syria to 5,000-10,000 replacing the old 7,000 to 20,000 number. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.84.222.21 (talk) 22:24, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Someone with privileges needs to edit the "strength" number in the right column for Afganistan. It currently says that they have 40 members and cites a source that is talking about 40 dead/captured. Jamesg166 (talk) 23:50, 15 September 2014 (UTC)jamesg166

Capitalization

Why is the 'A' in "Al-Qaeda" capitalized at the beginning of sentences and in the title of the article, but not at the top of the infobox on the right? WikiWinters (talk) 19:39, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

According to the Manual of Style for Arabic, the definite article "al-" is always lowercase, unless beginning a sentence. Article titles are in sentence case according to WP:TITLEFORMAT, thus "al-" should be capitalized at the start of article titles. I don't think there is any such rule for infobox titles.--Axiom292 (talk) 22:51, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

This is the title of an article as such the title depends WP:AT not the MOS. Usage in Arabic is not relevant it is used in reliable English language sources that need to be considered. -- PBS (talk) 12:31, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

al-Qaeda as an Islamist group

In searches:

• "al-Qaeda" "Islamist" gets "About 57,200 results" in news
• "al-Qaeda" "jihadist" gets "About 30,900 results" in news

Islamist seems to be the majority term. GregKaye ✍♪ 07:17, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Raw searches are meaningless. It is the usage in reliable sources that matter. -- PBS (talk) 12:29, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Islamist and jihadist are not synonymous. Al-Qaeda is both. --Axiom292 (talk) 00:35, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2015

Charlie Hebdo shooting should be added under Europe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting 50.103.47.187 (talk) 23:26, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  23:42, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Ideology

Isn't it just reactionary?

A few links: The Three Versions of Al-Qaeda Al-Qaeda's Strategic, Ideological and Structural Adaptations since 9/11 ISIS Has Kicked al Qaeda’s Ass – Fracture Chart Update April 2015 . TGCP (talk) 21:03, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Spain

Why is not Spain on the list of opponents? 81.202.177.150 (talk) 19:29, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Maybe Spain is not on the list by Hispanophobia... because Spain is in NATO and was attacked March 11, 2004... So, Why is not on the list?

Problem with leader

The leader states: As Salafist jihadists, they believe that the killing of civilians is religiously sanctioned, and they ignore any aspect of religious scripture which might be interpreted as forbidding the murder of civilians and internecine fighting.[1][53]

This is incorrect because it ignores the difference between muslim and non-muslim civilians

The targeting of non-muslim civilians is allowed under islamic law because there is no difference between military and civilian in Islam The only thing that makes blood illegal to spill is being a muslim or having a treaty wih the muslims Non-Muslim women and children cannot be killed however, that is they cannot be directly targeted So al-Qaeda only sanctions the targeting and killing of non-Muslim males

Regarding muslim civilians however, Al-Qaeda has never targeted them and this is not allowed in Islam to kill another Muslim Any deaths of Muslim civilians from al-Qaeda operations are regretted and they are never targeted, if they are killed it was accidental, and under islamic law blood money should actually be payed to their families

Al-Qaida is capitalizing on the Saudi bombing to strengthen its stronghold

"On Friday, al-Qaida fighters overran a key army camp in the capital of Hadramawt province, Mukalla. Officials said they seized tanks, rocket launchers and small arms.

Also Friday, President Barack Obama spoke by phone with Saudi Arabia's King Salman. The White House says the two leaders agreed" VOA exact quote

add ^it^ to the art. if you can edit aciada 70.194.101.199 (talk) 00:42, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Biased tone in the "CIA..." section

The purpose of Wikipedia is to provide a non-biased take on all things and the tone used in this section is not that. The section uses promotional language such as "his widely praised account" giving no justification to why it is quoted as this and not simply as "his account". It also seems incorrect to give such a short paragraph to the speech of Robin Cook, who, as the foreign secretary of UK, should have more weight put to his words than that of a journalist for CNN, despite the many books he may have written on the war82.2.79.213 (talk) 19:30, 18 April 2015 (UTC).

Is North Korea really the official opponent of Al-Qaeda?

As far as I know, there is no official source reporting that North Korean government has claimed themselves as the official opponent of Al-Quaeda 50.92.35.105 (talk) 15:44, 02 June 2015 (UTC). i personally dont understand why qutbism is written as alqaeeda ideology,qutb never told terrorism,proof is his life and his organization muslim brother hood,also allies like jamat e islami,they are pro democratic,moderates who belive in humanity and God.never forget egypts first democratically elected prescident is from it. www.jih.org .please stop spreading lies against real islam.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Pkjasim (talk • contribs) 15:01, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

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″with origins traceable to the Soviet war in Afghanistan″

this phrase in the lead sounds misleading as it creates the impression the Al Q was founded by the USSR, whereas the sources (those cited and numerous other) indicate it was a front organisation of the C.I.A., at the very least funded by the C.I.A. as well as Saudi Arabia (a closest ally of the U.S.). I would suggest "traceable to the CIA when it supported the forces fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan in 1980s".Axxxion (talk) 13:36, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Such claims are contentious and disputed by numerous WP:RS, which are discussed at length in Al-Qaeda#Alleged CIA involvement, and in it's own article at CIA–al-Qaeda controversy. The article would be contradicting itself if the lead was asserting US support was responsible for creating it, and further down the page making the case against the theory. Gazkthul (talk) 00:10, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 24 July 2015

Babi400 (talk) 20:46, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Not done Please outline your request in the form "please change X to Y". Thank you. Dustin (talk) 20:58, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

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