Talk:Al Capone/Archive 1
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- 1 Mugshot
- 2 This is an encyclopedia, not an online biography
- 3 This is an encyclopedia, not an online biography
- 4 Solitary Confinement
- 5 Article needs work
- 6 Capone's Sicilian background
- 7 St Valentine's day
- 8 Inconsistencies
- 9 Untouchables
- 10 Geraldo and the vault
- 11 Capone's illness
- 12 Children
- 13 Error in Place of birth
- 14 False statement
- 15 Cleanup
- 16 Italian-American
- 17 Baseball bat bit
- 18 Capone links to the BBB
- 19 "These guys in Pittsburgh"
- 20 The true source of the slash on Scarface's face
- 21 Date/time of birth
- 22 Help
- 23 Absolute garbage
- 24 Birthplace
- 25 PoV
- 26 Charlie Parker and Bing Crosby
- 27 Pronunciation of Capone
- 28 Article
- 29 Image
- 30 Interwiki
- 31 Capones picture
- 32 Illegitimate children
- 33 Al Capone in Tintin
- 34 Spro
- 35 Jake "Greasy Thumb" Gusik has a page
- 36 Capone's brother
- 37 Wiki for the blind
- 38 Category
- 39 Al Capone picture
- 40 Al Capone mutherland
- 41 Portrayals
- 42 Hanging prosecutor - misspelled
- 43 Redirect
- 44 Eliminated vandalism
- 45 The mark debate
Is this really of Capone as "a teenager"? He looks much older in this image. Pathless 14:28, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
In the German article it says that after Robert Schönenburg's biography it is a photo taken of him by the police in 1917/18, but is likely to be taken as recently as 1938. But there is nothing to back it up.22.214.171.124 (talk) 11:46, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
The full, uncropped photograph, which includes the processing number (on the sign that the photographed person holds under his chin) indicates that the picture was taken at Terminal Island prison, in California, where Capone spent the last months of his imprisonment, in 1938-39. That's when this picture was taken.
I'd say the copyright of the image is in question now. If anyone has any links confirming what this is, could they please post them here so I could take them to Commons to have copyright determined? --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 01:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
- You guys are absolutely correct. I have see this photo many times, and it is always labeled as being in his last months in prison or taken about the time he was in Alcatraz. Note the very receded hairline, unkempt hair, general gauntness, and even the sores on his face (probably attributable to his syphilis). The photo or at least its label needs to be changed.Harry Yelreh (talk)
This is an encyclopedia, not an online biography
Massive cleanup of contractions ("couldn't," "didn't") and colloquialisms ("booze trucks") is needed. This is supposed to be informative, not entertaining to read.
Jackmont 23:12, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
This is an encyclopedia, not an online biography
I am sorry - but when did informative have to also be NOT entertaining to read. One of the early joys of the WIKI was its amazing breadth and scope in expression - accuracy should be the fundamental requirement - but the descent into pedantry and the loss of a sense of humour and humanity have, IMHO, not enhanced the wiki. This is and remains the world's first and only completely inclusive body of human knowledge - why is there so much effort dedicated to leaching out the humanity?
The link is wrong, it should link to "Solitary confinement" and not to "Solitary Confinement". Could somebody with an account please go and fix this? Thanks.
Article needs work
Scarface went to Kentucky to eat food and drink wine and actually worked for Big Jim Fat RAT Colossimo who was the number one brothel operator in Chicago and quite successful. Torrio was not the leader of what was then Colossimo's operation. Torrio was Colissimo's underling. When Prohibition started, Capone and Torrio tried in vain to get Big Jim into bootlegging. Big Jim was too fat and happy being a night club owner and did not want to "branch out." There were other reasons but my crime books are in storage. Capone and Torrio had had enough and decided that Colossimo was standing in their way of making the really big money in illegal alcohol. They had him killed and took over.
The leader of the north siders can you believe this crap was Nick Miloro who was killed by the Capones, then Hymie Weiss took over but was also murdered, then Bugs Moran. At some point (I think between O'Banion and Weiss) there was a guy named "Schemer" Drucci, but I can't remember for sure where he fits in. This article needs work, but I don't have the time and all my references are in storage. Oakridgetn1947 02:18, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- This article does need at least some mention of the Colossimo gang. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs).
Capone's Sicilian background
If both Capone's parents were from Campania i.e. Naples, then how was he "a Sicilian born in New York"? Arthur Holland
- Maybe it was just a figure of speech? Claiming Sicilian heritage for a mobster shouldn't be so rare I guess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs)
Other way around. Sicilians are very prideful of being their own people. They will not stand for being called "Italians", they are "Sicilians". Also, in regards for Capone's possible claim of being Sicilian., the Mafia was originally from Sicily.184.108.40.206 (talk) 15:56, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
St Valentine's day
It says January 13 on the wiki, It should be February 14.
"he orchestrated seventy-one of the most notorious gangland killings of the century, the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. " - how was it 71 killings? the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. article only says 7. Rich Farmbrough 21:38, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- I think 71 is a bit high. Discounting his James Street Gang (Five Points Gang) days, beginning with Jim Colosimo in 1920 and the St. Valentine's Day Massacre in 1929 (differentiating between planned and actual involvement) might be more around ten. Unfortunately what he was suspected of planning and actually connected to are two different things. MadMax 20:17, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Capone was living lavishly in Palm Beach, and assigned one of his top associates "Machine Gun" McGurn to mastermind the hit. McGurn had one of his bootleggers lure members of the Moran gang into a garage to buy liquor at an unreasonably cheap price. The deal was made and the delivery was scheduled to take place on Valentines Day. McGurn and his men awaited them in stolen police uniforms. When they arrived, McGurn's gang pretended to be police making a bust, and ordered all of Moran's men to stand facing the wall. Thinking that they had just been caught by police, seven members of the Moran gang turned to the wall awaiting arrest. McGurn and his men opened fire with machine guns, fatally killing the gangsters. Bugs, who saw the police car before stopping and thought it was a raid, fled the scene. Capone was credited with what would be deemed one of the most famous mass murders in American history, the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. Valentine's Day Massacre information provided by: http://www.alcatrazhistory.com/cap1.htm (for Al Capone information) alcatrazhistory.com (main)
As far as I know I don't think it's cirtain that Capone had anything to do with the killings. It's porbable it was him but there is no evidence at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EmJay102 (talk • contribs) 16:02, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
The Ness article states that Capone was charged with 22 violations rather than the 23 mentioned here. Also, it says that he was sentenced to 11 years instead of 10. Can someone check which of these is correct?
- Laurence Bergreen in his biography, "Capone: The Man & The Era" gives 22 counts and explains that Capone had to serve 10 years in federal prison plus one year in county prison (which he served first) - which equals 11 years total. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk • contribs)
The film "The Untouchables" claims at the end that his sentence was 11 years. Perhaps not the best of sources, but I thought I'd mention it..... Adrian Baker 23:24, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Geraldo and the vault
- It could be added, but would mostly be insignificant because the vault was empty. An empty piece of property really has no place on Wikipedia. However, this piece of information could be added in a trivia section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgarrison (talk • contribs)
I read "somewhere" that Capone had a phobia about medical needles - and so refused treatment for his syphilis. Any comments?
- Yeah, Capone picked up syphillis before penicillin was invented. I have read that treatment for that disease was and ordeal but did not include any injections. But, of course, I can't add any references, so my comment stays on the discussion page. I think treatment included small doses of arsenic. Oakridgetn1947 02:25, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, you are both right in a way. Capone did dislike needles. When he first went to prison, he was given a thorough medical examination. When the doctors diagnosed Capone with syphillis, he told them that it had been cured and that a spinal tap to determine if he was still infected, (which involved needles), was unnessecary. Once Penicillin was discovered, he took the treatment one hundred percent willingly, (It didn't involve needles). Capone was fully treated of the disease in 1942, but by then he had already suffered severe brain damage.
- In the book I read on Capone. "Al Capone - The Life and Times" I read that his own personal physician came to Al Capone and told him a woman who Al had had relations with had recently been treated for syphillis. Al refused the origianl treatment his doctor recommended for him which later caused the complications. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk • contribs)
my health teacher told us he got syphilis in prison so I wanted to know if that was true.
"The couple had 8 sons and 2 daughters" - should make it clear that this refers to AC's parents (g).
- Done. Arx Fortis 03:34, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
One of Al Capone's brothers was a prohibition enforcer in the Southern States (I'm not sure which brother)Please could someone check this and then edit the page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 20:24, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Error in Place of birth
Capone was born in Brooklyn, NYC to Neapolitan parents. He was the second Capone child to be born in America.
He wan born in Italy grew up in Canada tell he was 14 then moved to Broklyn.
I'm annoyed that someone added the comment that he stabbed 70 people in New Orleans. Destroying Wiki's credibility is easy and unnecessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs)
The article does need some major work, I've added a cleanup tag. I will do some work on formatting and wikification, but I don't have the history knowledge necessary to update all the facts. Aces & Eights 16:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- The article was reverted and is in good condition now, cleanup tag removed. Aces & Eights 21:05, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Why is Capone's Italian ancestry being removed from this article? --Stlemur 00:35, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
- Omerta! Ghosts&empties 17:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
"Ethnicity should generally not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability." I would argue that it is relevant to Capone's notability in that the Italian presence in organized crime in the US is notable. It could even be argued that by not noting it we make the implicit assumption that all gangsters are Italian unless stated otherwise. --Stlemur 16:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
- I'm possibly with you on the first argument, but the second argument seems to be a bit of a leap. Anyways, I'm of the opinion that unless its really really really important to mention ethnicity in the HEADER/first sentence, it should be left out. This is a standardization that seems to serve wikipedia well. Anyways,--Tom 18:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
- As a follow up, none of the other articles about Italian-American mobsters contains Italian-American in the header.--Tom 20:15, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Baseball bat bit
User talk:EdwardGI see what you mean about how the baseball bat bit is meaningful for character development, but I deleted it for two reasons:
- there are at least 3 versions of who was doing the beating - or it may be completely myth
- it didn't really change the arc of Capone's career
If you want to treat this incident in an encyclopedic way, you need to consider and reference several sources. As is, the explanation differs from other accounts of the same incident in Wikipedia (See John Scalise).
I hate to be the weenie that nags "More references!", "Explain other possible explantions!", but when it comes to Capone, there's often more myth than fact, as Geraldo learned the hard way. Ghosts&empties 17:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
The NYTimes obituary I just added (in External Links) carries a paragraph about AC using the bat on two colleagues at a banquet. I assume it's there because it's true. 188.8.131.52 11:21, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
"These guys in Pittsburgh"
Sam Colissimo, the one killed by Capone to take power in Chicago, had a nephew, Frank Colissimo, who died in the late 1990s in Pittsburgh. He was a heroin addict and died of a methadone overdose. His name was never mentioned, but he sold his cocaine to Henry Hill and ran Pittsburgh's Northside mafia in the decline of the Montemurro and Costa families. This is detailed in the film Goodfellas. Mortimer elias the 33rd 03:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
The true source of the slash on Scarface's face
According to the NY Times Obit I just added to External Links, the slashes came when he was bullying a Sicilian. AC was "barely out of his teens". Fighting in a barber shop, the Sicilian backed AC into a corner and slashed his face with a razor. The article on Wiki says he was cut by a brother who's sister AC was hassling. (Capone had made a bold move on Gallucio's sister. Gallucio deeply slashed Capone's left cheek with a switchblade.) Not sure where to turn for verifiable truth. 184.108.40.206 11:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think there's any verifiable truth to be found, just items generally accepted as fact. When AC was a kid, he wasn't notable and little data was accumulated on him outside of police records. I think what was in the NYT obit should be in this article, though, IMHO that's relatively speaking, a good source, the reporters involved probably would have had access to police recortds and sources, and known the NY crime scene pretty well. Tubezone 16:23, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Date/time of birth
I don't know where this time has come from but is it even convention to put the time of birth in a profile. I corrected the wikitext error. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheChard (talk • contribs)
In Spring of 2007, I took a dinner cruise on the Belle of Hot Springs in Hot Springs, Arkansas. The tour guide mentioned Al Capone's ties with Hot Springs, and said something about some illegal slot machines that Capone had dumped into the river there and that to this day, they remain in the water under the bridge. Does anyone know of this? I'm just curious if it is true, and can't seem to find anyting about it on the net.
"Reassigned to mopping up the prison bathhouse, he was nicknamed the "wop with the mop" by inmates.  He was later stabbed in the back by Lucas, who was sentenced to solitary confinement in "the Hole". Capone was hospitalized for a week. He was later harassed further and unsuccessful attempts on his life were made throughout his prison sentence, including spiking his coffee with lye and attacking him as he was walking towards the dentist's office. He remained under protection from several inmates (possibly due to payoffs by the Chicago Outfit)."
"Capone's mental state began to deteriorate. Amongst other things, he would repeatedly make his bed and then undo it for hours. At times, Capone refused to leave his cell at all, crouching in a corner and talking to himself in Italian or, according to some, complete gibberish. He began telling people that he was being haunted by the ghost of James Clark, a victim in the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. Paranormal investigators were even sent in to observe him and his surroundings, though they ultimately decided that Capone was simply mentally unwell."
I'm giving this 24 hours to be heavily sighted or I will delete every word of it. This is complete bullshit, poorly written, and insulting to the intelligence of the reader. It's garbage like this that proves how an open-access encyclopedia can never be a quality source of reference material (no matter how "popular" it is). Aren't there supposed to be people monitoring the content of these articles? Unbelievable... --JMH
- So, remove it. But tone down the rhetoric! Bulbous 05:59, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
- The first half regarding Capone's "wop with the mop" nickname and subsequent feud with Lucas is cited in Carl Sifakis's The Mafia Encyclopedia and supported by Robert J. Schoenberg's Mr. Capone: The World of Al Capone. As for the second half, neither reference goes into detail over Capone's later demesia however the claim he had been haunted by James Clark's ghost has in appeared on several paranormal and "ghost hunter" type websites (see , ). This claim also appears in Ursula Bielski's More Chicago Haunts: Scenes from Myth and Memory. MadMax 20:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I read somewhere that he was born in Italy. Any have the answer? ---FRAN 5:45 pm
- Although news accounts of period often reported Capone's birthplace as Sicily or Naples, Capone himself adamantly claimed to have been born in Brooklyn. The two major biographies, namely Luciano J. Iorizzo's Al Capone: A Biography and John Kobler's Capone: The Life and World of Al Capone, both claim his birthplace as Brooklyn, New York. MadMax 23:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Why the huge section detailing Capone being beloved by Chicago's poor? Evidence? He didn't become a pariah only after the St. Valentine's Day massacre. Anyone want to make an argument why any of this PoV and unsupported material should remain? --Patchyreynolds 17:40, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Charlie Parker and Bing Crosby
- His night club, the Cotton Club, became a hot-spot for new acts such as Charlie Parker and Bing Crosby.
This statement is very interesting. In the paragraph, the writer is discussing Capone's nightclub-owning activities in 1920s Chicago. Charlie Parker was born in 1920. He would have been eight at the time of the St. Valentine's Day Massacre (14 Feb. 1929). Charlie Parker was precocious, a genius, and died too young, but he wasn't that precocious.
- I'm assuming the writer may have meant that Charlie Parker and Bing Crosby would later play at the club (the phrase "new acts" being a bit misleading), however I believe both men first made their careers at New York's Cotton Club as there were several clubs using the same name during the era. MadMax 23:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Pronunciation of Capone
There is some indication that the 'e' was pronounced in Capone's name, making it rhyme with the word 'phoney'. I discovered this in Raskolenko's book When I Was Last on Cherry Street -- he encountered a gangster who worked for him who helped compose this couplet: There once was a man named Capone/Who as a gangster was sure no phoney.
I read somewhere on the net that his birth surname was Caponi but he changed it to Capone to sound more American. But I'm not so sure how true that statement was . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrissy Imperiali (talk • contribs) 06:03, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I've wondered this myself. I often compare it to The Godfather and they way the Corleones name was pronounced. While the town and their name is pronounced like Cor-lay-own-ay, It is "Americanized", (think that's the term) several times by non Italians, or media, etc. as Cor-lee-own, so idk. Does anyone know of a source if it's the situation with Al's last name is it like Ca-pown or Ca-pon-ay? 220.127.116.11 (talk) 01:44, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Al Capone (1929-1930) Chicago gangster Al Capone spends eight months at Eastern State Penitentiary.
An article in the Philadelphia Public Ledger, August 20, 1929, describes Capone's cell: "The whole room was suffused in the glow of a desk lamp which stood on a polished desk.... On the once-grim walls of the penal chamber hung tasteful paintings, and the strains of a waltz were being emitted by a powerful cabinet radio receiver of handsome design and fine finish..." (See 2000 for a picture of the restored cell).1 taken from http://www.easternstate.org/history/
This information came to me from the Eastern State Penitentiary in Philadelphia, PA. I took it for your information from their web site online. I work with paranormal investigators and when there I remembered seeing the room which is there today as he left it, Al Capone,and as I was reading the information on Al Capone in Wiki the information did not match up with the historical information I had learned in my work? This source needs to be updated.
i dont no about everybody else, but i dont like the current picture of al capone. i liked it better when wiki had the picture of him back when he was a gangster. can we change it?
Al Capone had an illegitimate son born in 1925 in CHICAGO. AL Capone has a living Grandson from this illegitimate child.
Al Capone in Tintin
The article says Al Capone's appearance in Tintin in America is the only notable appearance of a real person in the Tintin books. However, I have read all Tintin books, and am fairly sure that Al Capone is the only real person who has ever appeared, or been mentioned, in the Tintin books. JIP | Talk 07:09, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Jake "Greasy Thumb" Gusik has a page
Wiki for the blind
I am 19 years old and blind. I am interested in adding relevant items to wiki that help the blind "visualize" and grasp the subjects at hand. I love the tradition of oral storytelling. I have added a link to a radio story by The American Storyteller. --Trgwilson (talk) 05:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Someone should delete Category:Drug lords of this article? Al Capone wasn´t a drug lord, read the article and references, please. Thanks. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 18:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC) Less if we say that alcohol is a drug, obviously
Al Capone picture
Al Capone mutherland
Al Picono never plays al capone, I don't know why this is added but should be removed, would if I could but can't so I won't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 05:42, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
- Checked Al Pacino's IMDB and Wikipedia articles, found no reference to his playing Al Capone. Perhaps this was based on the fact that Scarface starring Pacino was a loose remake of the original Scarface, whose hero was loosely based on Al Capone, but Tony Montana isn't Al Capone himself. Twitch3z (talk) 09:33, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
What about Edward G. Robinson in Little Caesar? That's a pretty obvious one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 23:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC) Fairly recently, there has been a fictionalized and somewhat anachronistic version of Al Capone in a video game called "Shadow Hearts: From The New World". This game also features a fictionalized and anachronistic version of Ness and a fictionalized version of, given her apparent age in the game, Mafalda. Mafalda's name in the game is given as Edna and she is killed by a fictionalized version of Moran's gang known as the McManus Gang. The Four Deuces figures in the game as does Alcatraz Prison.188.8.131.52 (talk) 16:29, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Hanging prosecutor - misspelled
The name of the famous 'Hanging Prosecutor' was not McSwiggins, but McSwiggin - check it out in 'Capone' by Laurence Bergreen, 'Mr. Capone' by Robert Schoenberg and 'Capone' by John Kobler. Someone had better change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 11:07, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
This article claims that "Capone" redirects here, but "Capone" actually directs to this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capone. Is this simply an error, or is Capone supposed to redirect here and it doesn't, or what? Sherlock (talk) 03:41, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
The mark debate
if you really look at it Capone was a Mark to some much bigger guys.. he fell and they went right on... consider the movie where he says set our own mark.. their own mark.. they dumped it all on him and moved right along —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 15:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
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