Talk:Albanian Civil War

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Requested move 27 February 2016[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Moved as proposed. Two editors, including the nominator, in definite support, and a third (Charles Essie) with an implicit endorsement. Only one oppose, and the supports provide solid evidence in the form of links to reliable sources, while the oppose does not. I narrowly see a consensus to move, after a very long listing period. (non-admin closure)  — Amakuru (talk) 09:38, 10 April 2016 (UTC)



Albanian rebellion of 1997Albanian civil war of 1997 – The event is described as a civil war, or "near civil war", other terms such as "anarchy", "chaos", etc, were used by media. Zoupan 18:56, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

  • Comment "Albanian rebellion" is misleading, as it suggests a national revolution, when the rebels in fact were a mash-up of political dissidents, criminals, rioting civilians, etc. Some sources using the terminology "civil war":
John Pike. Albanian Civil War (1997). Global Security. These riots, and the state of anarchy which they caused, are known as the Albanian civil war of 1997 
Kosta Barjaba (2004). Albania's democratic elections, 1991-1997: analyses, documents and data. Edition Sigma. ISBN 978-3-89404-237-0. For a detailed chronological course of events in the Albanian civil war 
Andrei Lankov (1 December 2014). The Real North Korea: Life and Politics in the Failed Stalinist Utopia. Oxford University Press. p. 298. ISBN 978-0-19-939003-8. On the Albanian civil war of 1997, see Dirk Bezemer 
Ronald A. Francisco (2000). The Politics of Regime Transitions. Westview Press. ISBN 978-0-8133-8851-9. After the Albanian civil war of 1997 
Penny Kugler; Christopher Fawson; N. Gregory Mankiw (1 August 2000). Princip Microeconomics Test B. Thomson Learning EMEA, Limited. ISBN 978-0-03-027027-7. In 1997, Albania experienced a civil war ... The Albanian civil war 
International Institute for Strategic Studies (2000). Strategic Survey 1999/2000. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-922475-3. no serious danger of an Albanian civil war for the first time since 1997 
Analysis of Current Events. Association for the Study of Nationalities (USSR and Eastern Europe). 1997. An Albanian civil war could easily spill over into Macedonia, Kosovo, and Montenegro 
James Ciment; Kenneth Hill (1999). Encyclopedia of Conflict Since World War II. Routledge. p. 247. ISBN 978-1-57958-181-7. ALBANIA: Civil War, 1997 
James Ciment; Immanuel Ness (21 January 2014). Encyclopedia of Global Population and Demographics. Taylor & Francis. p. 294. ISBN 978-1-135-95081-1. In 1997, thecollapseof Albania'shighly speculative capitalist market economy ledto an economic depression, civil war, 
Gene Adcock (31 October 2012). CCT-The Eye of the Storm: Volume II – The GWOT Years. Author House. p. 47. ISBN 978-1-4772-6997-8. trapped by Albania's civil war  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoupan (talkcontribs) 18:56, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose - not really a civil war. It was an armed rebellion and disobedience which led to a chaotic state. Who were the belligerents of the war? How many causalities? That was not a civil war at all.--Mondiad (talk) 02:39, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Support: There is an agreement in correspondent literature (as shown per nom.) that this is a case of 'civil war'. In simple words the sequence of events definitely falls into the definition of a Civil war (... a war between organized groups within the same state). Alexikoua (talk) 17:33, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment: Is there a reason why can't be simply Albanian Civil War? Was there anything else in the history of Albania that qualifies as a civil war (if even this does)? Charles Essie (talk) 20:19, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
World War II.--Zoupan 18:35, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Albanian civil war of 1997Albanian Civil War – Can we guys make the name of the article smaller? I mean just name it "Albanian Civil War". There is no need for the "of 1997" part. Ibrahimweed 18:56, 10 June 2017 (GMT)

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Requested move 10 June 2017[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Moved. More supports than opposes (2:1), and I'm not particularly convinced by the oppose rationale. As the target is already a redirect here, and we're already calling it a civil war, we lose nothing by going ahead with the move as requested. The WW2 crisis may be relevant, but doesn't have an article at present. When it does, the matter can be reconsidered.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:16, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Note: following discussion on my talk page and the opening of a move review, I should just clarify here - in the above close I was interpreting the nominator's statement "the name is long" as referring to WP:CONCISE, which suggests that we should title the article at the shorter form Albanian Civil War, rather than the longer form Albanian civil war of 1997, given that the former already redirected to the latter before this RM was opened. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 14:23, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


Albanian civil war of 1997Albanian Civil War – the name is long. IbrahimWeed (talk) 11:44, 10 June 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Anarchyte (work | talk) 15:52, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Support As it has been relisted (basically twice) may I move it and close the discussion? d.g. L3X1 (distænt write) )evidence( 23:18, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I've read the last move request, and it seems clear that it couldn't be simply "Albanian Civil War" (with or without caps). Firstly due to WWII: per Albania, By the last year in World War II Albania fell into a civil war-like state between the communists and nationalists. Secondly, consensus is still being formed among historians whether or not this was actually a civil war, see Albanian civil war of 1997#Terminology. There's going to have to be sources pointing to this name as common for me to support, and I'm just not seeing that. -- Tavix (talk) 14:05, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

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