Talk:Albanian language

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Spelling-to-sound: ‹r›[edit]

Shouldn't ‹r› actually be /ɽ/? It does not sound like an alveolar tap, but like a retroflex flap.

Spelling-to-sound: ‹r›[edit]

Shouldn't ‹r› actually be /ɽ/? It does not sound like an alveolar tap, but like a retroflex flap.

Spelling-to-sound <gj> and q[edit]

Shouldn't it be changed to voiced and voiceless palatal affricates respectively?

Linguistic status quo[edit]

The language is the only thing we know directly, but it is at the same time most unknown thing for us. So far there is no scientific study of language. Scientists of other fields study objective facts about their object, whereas linguists have proven only that the language could not be studied scientifically. It is the time to change. Now it is time to change and to attack this problem. The linguistic had searched for language in insignificant directions, where there are not explanations about it and never could be.

http://linguisticglob.blogspot.com/2014/03/linguistic-status-quo.html

Albanian stops are unaspirated[edit]

http://mudrac.ffzg.unizg.hr/~rmatasov/Albanian.pdf That means the english examples should be changed. /p/ is not pronounced like in 'pen', but like in 'spin'.

e and o are higher than the table shows, almost same level or higher than ë[edit]

http://www.kfs.oeaw.ac.at/publications/2003_moosmueller_granser_the_vowels_of_standard_albanian.pdf

The number of Albanian Speakers does not include the Diaspora[edit]

The source writes in the first paragraph : 'It is spoken by about 7.6 million people mainly in Albania and Kosovo, and also in parts of Italy, Macedonia, Montenegro, Romania and Serbia' . Thus it does not include the Albanian diaspora . Gjirokastra15 (talk) 14:32, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

In addition ,' the Arvanitika /ˌɑrvəˈnɪtɨkə/[1] (Arvanitika: αρbε̰ρίσ̈τ arbërisht; Greek: αρβανίτικα), also known as Arvanitic, is the variety of Albanian traditionally spoken by the Arvanites, a population group in Greece ' . Here we are talking about the Albanian language and not about minorities , and Arvanitika is a recognized linguistic minority in Greece , however it is not an ethnic one . Gjirokastra15 (talk) 14:39, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
I've been having to explain simple concepts to you quite frequently as of late. Do you have proof that Arvanitika is recognised as a minority language by Greece? The dialect is present in Greece but whether it has any recognised status is the key for this subsection of the infobox.
As for the reference not including the diaspora, you simply are reading it wrong. The sentence clearly states simply where to mainly find the 7.6 million speakers. It would be hard to list every country where a language is spoken. Feel free to check listings of other languages on that site and you'll find similar sentence structure.
If that doesn't work for you, however, we can used Ethnologue: Gheg 4,178,790 + Tosk 3,108,200 + Arbereshe 100,000 + Arvanitika 50,000 = 7,436,990. --Local hero talk 15:56, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
In order for you to explain simple concepts to me it presumes that you understand them better which i highly doubt . The Arvanitika is a linguistic/historical fact which is recognized as such . Even if it would not be recognized by the Greek government (which it is ) that is not a criterion/neither the made up criterion you made up above. You might want to understand as well the difference between a linguistic and ethnic minority , and relate it to the fact that the Albanian language does not make you necessarily Albanian , as the English language does not make you English .
As for the reference , i am not reading it wrong . It says : the language is mainly spoken in Albania and kosovo , and then it lists the states where there are other native speakers . Thus it does not include the diaspora ... it can be that easy. You know very well that the total population of Albanians according to the sources is between 7.5-13 millions . Just in Greece for example there are 500.000 Albanians , in Italy a further 600.000 Albanians which emigrated after the fall of communism etc.etc. Gjirokastra15 (talk) 17:02, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Instability of /q/ and /gj/ in spoken Albanian?[edit]

I've noticed Albanian speakers tend to glide and <gj> when in clusters, and it's affecting writing too. For example, sqetulla "armpit" is often confused with sjetulla in writing. The word fqollë "flake" has fallen out of use entirely, now universally written as fjollë. I noticed this wasn't mentioned in the consonant section, should we add it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:40A:8002:7EBA:45E1:12E3:A9C9:5365 (talk) 20:53, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

It's worth mentioning, but perhaps not under consonants. Perhaps a new section about the modern evolution of the language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.10.168 (talk) 21:01, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Heavy borrowings from Southern Slavic ?[edit]

"A brief period followed, between the 7th and 9th centuries CE, that was marked by heavy borrowings from Southern Slavic..."

Can someone list some of those apparently gigantic in number "Heavy borrowings from Southern Slavic" or do we still have to keep this false and unsourced nonsense for many years to come?

  1. ^ "Arvanitika". Oxford English Dictionary (3rd ed.). Oxford University Press. September 2005.  (Subscription or UK public library membership required.)