Talk:Albert Ball/Archives/2012/October

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Lead too long?

Someone put up a template that the lead on this article was far too long - indeed it did read rather like a "Reader's Digest" version of the article rather than a brief summary. I have "been bold" and pruned the lead back a bit - any "unique" information (i.e. facts mentioned in the lead that are not fully covered in the main text) that has been lost in the process really needs to be ferreted out and reinserted there - I must say that I do not believe this is the case. Arguably, the lead is STILL rather too long (compare, for instance, the Red Baron's article, and in particular its lead. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 15:20, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

It's just got a lot of detail that belongs in the article body, squadron numbers & so forth.TheLongTone (talk) 15:27, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
The point was that the article itself is very detailed - so most of what I have cut from the lead was already well covered in the text. having said that, I've just moved a paragraph that really did add (quite important) information NOT mentioned elsewhere about his method of attack on his lone patrols - into the main text. Chronologically I'm a bit doubtful that this is the right place - but I've put it with other paragraphs about his "loner" character, where I think it belongs. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 16:30, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Did Ball ride a Harley?

Maybe. Maybe not. He was not only a biker, he dealt in motorcyles, which gave him opportunity to ride a variety of bikes.

However, the photo illustration extant of Ball on a motorcycle has Pengelly saying it's a Campion, while Bowyer claims it is a Harley-Davidson. I did some comparison between the photo in question, and internet photos of both brands in question. The rear fender positioning matches Campion. The internet photo of a 1913 Harley showed it without a front fender, while both Campion and the illustration in question had identical fenders. The illustrated bike also did not seem to have chain drive a la Harley.

So, my original research leads to a conclusion I cannot include in the article. But does the brand really matter? The point is that he was a dashing pioneer with both motorcycles and aircraft.

Georgejdorner (talk) 18:26, 24 October 2012 (UTC)