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Albert Einstein atheist?[edit]

A day ago a user added the Category: atheists i revert the edit then come user:Seraphimblade and revert my edit claiming that Einstein was inded an athesit. But most of sources show that Einstein Einstein used many labels to describe his religious views, including "agnostic", "religious nonbeliever" and a "pantheistic" believer in "Spinoza's God." But not an atheist.

According to Isaacson, Walter (2007), Einstein: His Life and Universe, New York: Simon & Schuster Paperbacks, ISBN 978-0-7432-6473-0: Einstein's called himself an agnostic, while disassociating himself from the label atheist.
Einstein had previously explored the belief that man could not understand the nature of God. In an interview published in 1930 in G. S. Viereck's book Glimpses of the Great, Einstein, in response to a question about whether or not he defined himself as a pantheist, explained: "Your question is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist."
According to Calaprice, Alice (2000). The New Quotable Einstein. Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, p. 216; Letter to M. Berkowitz 25 October 1950; Einstein Archive 59–215: In a 1950 letter to M. Berkowitz, Einstein stated that "My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment".

The article it self noted that he called himself an agnostic, and disassociating himself from the label atheist. He inded was an agnostic but since he refuse to call him self an athiest, Why we will fit him under Category of atheists.--Jobas (talk) 22:38, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

"Atheist" is the correct spelling, just for reference. As to why, Einstein made clear many times he did not have any beliefs in any gods. Whatever he may have chosen to call himself, that is in fact an atheist. Seraphimblade Talk to me 23:52, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
That's is your personal opinion, you don't have the right to classification beliefs as atheist when he had been rejected that.
He refuse to call himself an atheist. End of the story, he called his own beilefs as "agnostic", "religious nonbeliever" and a "pantheistic" believer in "Spinoza's God." but he refuse to call himself an atheist the sources are clear about that. You can't push a Category of atheists for someone refuse to identified to call himself an atheist.--Jobas (talk) 00:00, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, but I still don't see it. If he'd said he "wasn't a physicist", it would still be clear from his work that he was one. And actually, he did at some points refer to himself that way. But the overriding consideration is that he didn't believe in any type of personal god, and said so consistently and repeatedly. Seraphimblade Talk to me 13:59, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
@Seraphimblade: do you have notable reliable sources that say that Einstein was an atheist, despite the documented fact that he declared that he was not? If you have such sources, perhaps we can include something from them. When such content is present in the article, your categories will not be removed. - DVdm (talk) 14:24, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
They're not my categories. To the best of my knowledge, they've been there quite a while. And yes, there are several, I can try to find them when I'm not on my phone. Seraphimblade Talk to me 15:03, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Ok, we'll wait a bit. It would be nice to have a source that mentions the despite-part... - DVdm (talk) 15:21, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Not the best source... on the bias side....but has many point to consider...with many quotes. David Mills (2006). Atheist Universe: The Thinking Person's Answer to Christian Fundamentalism. Ulysses Press. pp. 100–104. ISBN 978-1-56975-567-9.  -- Moxy (talk) 15:35, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Afaics not much support for plain atheism in there. Exact page? - DVdm (talk) 16:23, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Waited a bit. No sources seem to appear, so I have restored the previous consensus. If valid sources are found, feel absolutely free to come back here. But before re-adding the categories, as in wp:BRD, let's discuss here first. - DVdm (talk) 10:19, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Here's an article from The Forward on Einstein and the Jews:
http://forward.com/news/325189/what-was-einsteins-relationship-to-judaism-and-zionism/
What Was Albert Einstein's True Relationship to Judaism — and Zionism?
Paul Berger
November 22, 2015
As if to underline his rejection of everything he was born into, the papers renouncing Einstein’s citizenship listed his religious affiliation as none. A decade later, when Einstein was forced to list a religious belief in his application for an academic post in Prague, he wrote, perhaps begrudgingly, “Mosaic.”
He identified as "Jewish" for some purposes, but he definitely didn't consider him a follower of the Jewish religion. The Forward discussed this further here. --Nbauman (talk) 18:47, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Copying this from the Pantheism talk page: I've actually stumbled upon another quote from Einstein (from a letter) from the book "Albert Einstein, the Human Side: New Glimpses from His Archives" by Helen Bukas and Banesh Hoffman, published by Princeton University Press in 1981. The letter is dated March 24, 1954. "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." This should positively prove that Einstein was not a (Pan-)theist. Muemmel85 (talk) 05:30, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2015[edit]

he dies 1955 not 1855 202.91.79.213 (talk) 08:52, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done - Article does not say 1855. - DVdm (talk) 08:56, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Albert Einstein's voice discovery[edit]

I have come to inform you that I have found a voice of Albert Enstein that has been recorded in August 22, 1930 at his radio show about his Sound Document Of Albert Einstein. I may not be an expert at this, but this might be useful of citing the source. This website [1], contains an audio recording that it could be cited as source where as the Wikiepidians might find the discovery of his voice. If any concerns, please reply to here, or my talk page. Hope this helps! 108.27.50.13 (talk) 21:15, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Works now released digitally[edit]

Works by Einstein have released see http://www.sciencealert.com/thousands-of-einstein-documents-are-available-for-online-for-free it includes letters and diaries. Gnangarra 11:57, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Albert Einstein's American Citizenship[edit]

I don't understand the controversy in stating a simple fact. Albert Einstein was a German-born American. He became a naturalized U.S. Citizen in 1940. It's a matter of public record. There's a section in Einstein's WP article titled "U.S. Citizenship." The current description of Albert Einstein as a "German-born" physicist is nonsensical. If he was just a German physicist there'd be no need to say "German-born." German born is used when somebody was born in Germany but then later becomes the citizen of another nation. Albert Einstein was born in Germany, but emigrated to the United States and became a naturalized U.S. citizen in 1940. That is the reason to describe him as a German-born American physicist. NapoleonX (talk) 01:11, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Check the archives of this talk page, searching for citizen or citizenship. One example (out of too many already): Talk:Albert Einstein/Archive 16#Concerns over his citizenship - DVdm (talk) 09:55, 1 February 2016 (UTC)