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Consider Changing the Name of the Article[edit]

I know I'm not part of 'the Wikipedia Club' or whatever it's called, and I expect whatever edits I make to be reversed with a hand slap, so I wouldn't dare trying doing something so drastic to the article as a name change, but seriously, if the modern thinking is that Alcoholism is a depreciated term or an obsolete medical term, as is suggested in the article, then might it be more correct or appropriate for the article to be titled "Alcohol Abuse Syndrome" with searches for Alcoholism redirecting to the new title and with a clearer explaination about how 'alcoholism' is an obsolete term. Or better yet, rewrite the intro so that the move to the new term by the medical world is prompted by a suggestion from the WHO and may be underway, instead of jumping on thier bandwagon. That is something you need to read the entire intro for to understand. Maybe a name change for the article is something that needs to be discussed and debated among the 'club members' running the article. KTrimble (talk) 21:13, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


I'm neither for nor against changing the name, but I think at minimum the article should discuss criticism of the current "model" or way of thinking about "alcohol abuse". The article as it is today suggests that there is no debate on the topic, that everything is obvious and objectively true, when the idea of "abusing" alcohol, especially the idea that it is a disease, is a social construction that shifts over time and depends on the morality of the day. 174.65.74.44 (talk) 20:24, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

I agree that the term Alcoholism has become somewhat archaic. The DSM has transitioned more towards Alcohol Use Disorders, since it encompasses a wider range of hazardous alcohol use, and the NIAAA and WHO also seems to favor the use of AUD.--Gghanem8 (talk) 08:37, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

The title change from 'Alcoholism' to 'Alcohol Use Disorders' seems sensible to me as well. -kslays (talkcontribs) 21:09, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Alcohol abuse disorders in Alaska: Potential Solutions[edit]

In the year 2018, Mayor of Anchorage, Ethan Berkowitz, proposed an additional tax on all alcohol sales to curb the purchase of alcohol, in pursuit of a healthier city (Kelly, 2018). However, research conducted by Miller (2013) in Australia, a location demographically and geographically similar to Alaska, found that people were likely to stop purchasing alcohol when the price per standard surpassed 14 AUDs. While research shows that with the rise in price will result in the lowering of the demand for alcohol, the same research from Miller (2013) found that people were more likely to substitute other hard drugs for alcohol when it became too expensive and less attainable. The chance that this tax could push the population to start using hard drugs is unacceptable.

Alternatively, the city of Anchorage could put a larger focus on the identifying of specific symptoms in its population and utilize programs such as Mutual Health Groups (MHGs) and Mental Health First Aide in order to overcome the alcoholism issue. These options are more valid than the retail tax because research shows that people who participate in a MHG are less likely to relapse and fall back into Alcohol Abuse (Tracy & Wallace, 2016). Showing the MHGs do not create additional problems, unlike the taxation.

Csustudent1994 (talk) 04:02, 26 July 2019 (UTC)Csustudent1994

When you say Miller (2013), I presume you mean Nicolas Droste, Peter G Miller (2013). "Alcohol Price Considerations on Alcohol and Illicit Drug Use in University Students". Journal of Alcoholism & Drug Dependence. 01 (2). doi:10.4172/2329-6488.1000109., and when you say Terry & Wallace 2016, I presume you mean Tracy, Kathlene; Wallace, Samantha (2016). "Benefits of peer support groups in the treatment of addiction". Substance Abuse and Rehabilitation: 143–154. doi:10.2147/SAR.S81535. PMID 27729825.. I should look over these papers; on the point of mutual aid groups, there is a lot of research on 12-step mutual aid groups, and they do greatly benefit a subset of alcoholics who “click” with the groups (75% short term success among regular meeting attenders as per Alcoholics Anonymous own mid-1950s observations and Fiorentine, Robert (1999). "After Drug Treatment: Are 12-Step Programs Effective in Maintaining Abstinence?". The American Journal of Drug and Alcohol Abuse. 25: 93–116. doi:10.1081/ADA-100101848., and 67% success 16 years later as per Moos, R. H.; Moos, B. S. (2006). "Participation in Treatment and Alcoholics Anonymous: A 16-Year Follow-Up of Initially Untreated Individuals". Journal of Clinical Psychology. 62 (6): 735–750. doi:10.1002/jclp.20259. PMC 2220012. PMID 16538654.) which can not be attributed to self-selection (see Humphreys, Keith; Blodgett, Janet C.; Wagner, Todd H. (2014). "Estimating the Efficacy of Alcoholics Anonymous without Self-Selection Bias: An Instrumental Variables Re-Analysis of Randomized Clinical Trials". Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research. 38 (11): 2688–2694. doi:10.1111/acer.12557. PMC 4285560. PMID 25421504.). There are no known mutual aid group more effective than the 12-step ones (actually, there is no treatment more effective over the long term than 12-step treatment. See, for example Keith Humphreys. "Here's proof that Alcoholics Anonymous is just as effective as professional psychotherapies". The Washington Post. Archived from the original on 2016-05-31.), but mental health first aid looks to be very promising. Without knowing any peer-reviewed research on the matter off of the top of my head, I can tell you that the empathy and compassion that mental health first aid teaches people is very similar to the empathy and compassion the 12 steps teaches its adherents to have. Defendingaa (talk) 13:45, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
In terms of whether mutual aid groups is more effective than taxation, to take one paper which says increased taxation results in more drug abuse and another paper which says mental health first aid groups help, and to conclude we should be doing more mental health first aid and less taxation would be original research, as per WP:SYNTH. We need sources, ideally peer reviewed scientific studies, which makes this conclusion. I personally think that perhaps we should tax alcohol more and spend the money on mental health first aid, but I don’t know of a paper supporting that notion. Defendingaa (talk) 13:57, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Social costs[edit]

User:Literaturegeek, I don't think that the "social costs" thing is actually meant to be about what economists call social costs, since that sentence begins with the words "Beyond the financial costs". I think it's meant to say that alcoholism results in damage to relationships with friends and family. This also seems to be the main point of the cited source, which appears to be a memoir.

But if you want to keep FSD listed as a non-financial "social cost", then I think the sentence should be expanded to explain some of the "emotional burden to family and society in general to look after" these innocent victims of someone else's alcohol use. But I would like you to consider whether that's actually the point being made in this sentence, and whether, upon reflection, that is a point that you really want to be making. I can't myself think of a way to say that without making it sound like we are blaming disabled people for being disabled. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:13, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Okay, are you suggesting that I expand based on the CDC source or book source (I cannot access the book source...)? Personally I think the term feotal clearly places the blame 100% away from the innocent victim and firmly on the doorstep of alcohol use by the mother, so I do not think we are blaming the disabled person for being disabled. But perhaps you feel that discussing the burden on family and society could be offensive to this disabled group, but we shouldn’t hide facts, especially as those facts of the burden would discourage some more women from drinking while pregnant, etc.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 22:07, 13 November 2019 (UTC)