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- 1 Absolutely unacceptable article
- 2 The article should be rewritten
- 3 Ukrainian??
- 4 Untitled
- 5 Comment by Compay
- 6 Canonization?
- 7 Personal Life?
- 8 Audio File?
- 9 Strange dry view on Alexander Nevsky
- 10 Old Style Dates
- 11 Failed for Version 0.7
- 12 Remains/Relics
- 13 Revision as of 08:22, 4 October 2014 by Vuhdeem
- 14 Assessment comment
- 15 External links modified
Absolutely unacceptable article
Especially this part: Some historians see Alexander's choice of subordination to the Golden Horde and refusal of cooperation with western countries and church as an important reaffirmation of East Slavs' Orthodox orientation (begun under Duke Vladimir of Kiev and his Mother Olga) Let me remind you that intention of West in Russia was complete elimination of Russians as Orthodox heretics (Orthodox Church was not considered by West as Christian one). There were no any proposal from any western country "to cooperate", only invasions and war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 15:42, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
The article should be rewritten
It's clear that this article was written by some Ukrainian nationalist. It's absolutely unacceptable in the current form. The article is full of anachronisms (Moscovite Russia in 13 century!!!) and instigate hate to Russians.
- proclaimed "Saint"of the Russian Orthodox Church
If you wish to stay polite to Orthodox, it should be "canonized by Orthodox Church" or "glorified as saint by Orthodox Church", but in this form it's simply a slap in the face of any Orthodox person.
- Nevsky tried to strengthen his authority at the expense of the boyars and at the same time suppress any anti-Muscovite uprisings in the country (Novgorod uprising of 1259).
? What is this? In 13th century Moscow was insignificant town of Principat of Vladimir and Suzdal. The son of Nevsky was installed as the first feud [udel'nyi] prince of Moscow, the rize of Moscow starts with the grandson of Nevsky only [Ivan I]
- Strategic considerations aside, Alexander's victory was an important milestone in the development of Muscovite Russia.
There were no "Muscovite Russia" till 15th century.
Comment by Compay
- hundreds claimed by Russian chronicles
is a later time addition to the cronicles. The chronicles say: "В лето 6750 не бысть ничтоже", which means "in the year 6750 nothing happened", 6750 being 1242. I think the frase should be "claimed later by Russian sources" Compay 10:17, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Why is Russia at all mentioned? There was no Russia back then. there was only scattered principalities that became Russia later. Plus, not all of these principalities were under mongolians. Most were, and they were scattered and not united, but there were some that were free from mongolian rule, for example the most powerful one back then, Novgorod (could you please give a source on Novgorod paying the tribute, sine it is a factually incorrect claim).
- Come on. Stating there was "no Russia" in Alexander Nevsky's time is about like saying there was no such thing as Germany prior to 1871. There are a number of nations that fragmented for a time, even for centuries, only to reunite at a later date. China did, Germany did, Italy did, and so did Russia. In the case of Russia, this is obvious. The successor states of Kievan Rus' were led by branches of the same House of Rurik, and when Ivan The Terrible reunited all the territory, he declared himself "Tsar of all the Russias." He wouldn't have done that if those lands weren't viewed as all parts of one nation. Jsc1973 22:34, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
It would also be helpful if the article gave some reason why he was canonized. I assume that he must have done something besides be a great leader in order to become a saint? Cdixon 22:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Basic principles of canonization in Orthodox Church: http://www.klikovo.ru/db/msg/4203 Contemporaly life description of Alexander - http://hronos.km.ru/dokum/nevski_zh.html the reference should be [Памятники литературы Древней Руси. XIII век / Пер. В.И. Охотниковой. М., 1981. С. 426-439.] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 15:42, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Did he have a family? Children? This article gives us only the political take on the man.
He had at least two sons. One of them, Dmitry of Pereslavl, has a wikipedia article on him. Andrew II and Yaroslav III were Alexander's brothers. The rules of succession in the Russian states were rather bewildering.--Syd Henderson 04:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't the audio file be in a more user friendly format? I don't even know what an .ogg file is.
Strange dry view on Alexander Nevsky
There are tons of books written on Alexander Nevsky by famous Russian historians of the past. I wish somebody could add extracts from Karamzin (XVIII century)and Soloviev (XIX century)works who were using interesting sources. In this article we see old-fashioned Soviet-type view on Nevsky, while he was much more than that, he was a product of those barbaric times.
[propaganda] Far from being simply dry, in points it is downright antagonistic (at a level I come across when dealing with nationalistic Russophobic Ukrainians). How can a prince be a "collaborator" (as the 1st paragraph states) against his own subjects? Alexeykh (talk) 07:04, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Old Style Dates
Throughout the article it is not mentioned that the dates listed are those of Old Style (Julian calendar). For instance, the battle against the Teutonians took place on 18th of April rather than on 5th of April (the latter being the Old style date) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 12:14, 18 April 2007 (UTC).
- Are you aware that the New Style (Gregorian) calendar only came into existence on 15 October 1582, and was NOT retrospective? This means that the day before then was 4 October 1582 (there was a 10-day gap), and there's no need specify it as a Julian date because the Julian calendar was the only one in existence in the West. It's completely specious to even talk about Julian/Gregorian dates prior to 15 October 1582, and it's utterly absurd to convert any of the (Julian) dates before then to their supposed Gregorian equivalents. The dates of events in Alexander Nevsky's life as recorded by the chroniclers of the time are the only valid dates there are.
- It looks like someone's been fiddling with his date of birth, because we show it as "30 May 1220 (?)" in the lead, but as "5 June 1221" in the infobox. I can only hazard a guess at why they're different. Maybe they come from different sources; even so, we can't be seen to be speaking with 2 voices on such a basic issue as this. Or maybe someone's had a go at calculating what the Gregorian equivalent of (Julian) 30 May would have been back then, and come up with 5 June, a 6-day gap. Pity, because the gap would have been 7 days. But the point is that such a calculation should never have been done in the first place because it's completely imappropriate. So, anyone know what his actual date of birth was? Julian only, please. ---- JackofOz (talk) 13:13, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Failed for Version 0.7
I'd expected to be able to include this article on a major historical figure (I'm a chemist, not a historian, but I was familiar with his story). The article is fairly short, but often biographies are for this period. However, I see that there are virtually no references; the article does include quite a lot of material that could be considered conjecture (e.g., judging importance, influence or impact of events) when it occurs without external source material. That means I must reluctantly fail the article. If a few sources are added (and preferably some inline cites for the bolder statements), please renominate the article. Thanks, Walkerma 03:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
The page states that his remains are in the Lavra/Monastery to this day, but they were moved in 1922 to the State Hermitage Museum. See: http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/08/hm89_0_1_67.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mychair (talk • contribs) 16:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Revision as of 08:22, 4 October 2014 by Vuhdeem
Revision as of 08:22, 4 October 2014 by Vuhdeem - contradicts dates of article: "In 1237, ... He gave his 8-year-old son Aleksandr Yaroslavich to Batu into amanat (hostages). While staying in the Horde from 1238 to 1252,... , wed Batu Khan's daughter, "
Known wikipedia sources give: 1236 - first rule in Novgorod in age of 15, first visit into Orda - 1247 in age of 26, no Khan's doughter as a wife.
Now it found in uk.wikipedia article "Володимир Білінський". It may be timely view of this particular person.
Vuhdeem revision also removed date 1236 of previous author: Ghirlandajo Revision as of 15:02, 10 June 2005, and inserted itself stright among sentence of Ghirlandajo Revision.
Revision 08:22, 4 October 2014 by Vuhdeem should be limited to "OTHER VIEWS".
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|Made a small edit regarding the battle with the Swedes. This took place 1240 and the Mongol invasion 1237. I just changed "a year" to "three years" after the defeat of the Swedes. Erabbra (talk) 17:08, 10 May 2010 (UTC)|
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