Talk:Alfa Romeo Giulia (952)

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Weight standard?[edit]

Where's the source that says the weight is according to DIN? The launch press release (http://www.alfaromeopress.co.uk/press/article/5460) makes no mention of the standard used, which implies that unless FIAT Chrysler is in breach of the law, the figure is according to the EC vehicle weights directive (1230/2012/EEC).

I will remove the "(DIN)" disclaimer on the weight figure until someone posts a supporting reference to show that this is indeed the basis of calculation.

92.51.196.226 (talk) 14:16, 13 October 2015 (UTC)KrisW

Production Setbacks?[edit]

The Giulia was originally meant to arrive in 2013, then was pushed back because MArchionne was unsatisfied by the design of the car.

Allegedly, it would have been a relatively tall, at 1.45 mt, quite long - at 4.92 mt - and quite narrow - 1,80 mt - car, as a result of an ill-fated combination of an italian sourced C class platform (the stretched CUSW) with american components and design clues.

Of this, nothing appears in the article... At least the setback is commonly known, so it should be noted somewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.50.151.57 (talk) 18:10, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Article title[edit]

Should the page be moved to Alfa Romeo Giulia (952), in keeping with WP:AUTOCONV and the practice used with other Alfa Romeo homonyms (e.g. Alfa Romeo Giulietta (940))? It would also be a less questionable title, since this car can be seen as a 2015, 2016 or 2017 model considering alternatively its introduction date, market launch or the first model year.—Cloverleaf II (talk) 14:48, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes -->Typ932 T·C 08:18, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Since a month has passed since my proposal and we're at least two editors supporting it, I'll boldly move the article. —Cloverleaf II (talk) 09:13, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Why doesn't this title read Tipo/Type 952? It seems odd to just quote a number. Or is it standard Alfa practice? CtrlXctrlV (talk) 15:09, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Its model designation to differiate it from other older Giulias, look eg here http://www.international-auto.com/alfa-romeo-miscellaneous/alfa-romeo-model-identification.cfm -->Typ932 T·C 03:50, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
I know that :) I was just saying, simply a number in brackets makes no sense. It should read "Tipo 952" or "Type 952" - or why doesn't it? The site you quote says "Series", which wouldn't be ideal, but supports my point that just a number is neither intuitive nor strictly correct? CtrlXctrlV (talk) 08:15, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

engine[edit]

Even they say its 2.9 L it might still be closer to 3.0, but we have to wait official figures -->Typ932 T·C 03:48, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Engine 2[edit]

Hi everyone. Please see the Ferrari F154 Engine talk page about the validity of the information presented in this article about the V6 used in the Quadrifoglio version. Jaredclce (talk) 19:49, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Let the engine size be 2.9 L as the official video says that size, well get more accurate size later , the V angle is 90 degree, so its not derived from Maserati engine either -->Typ932 T·C 19:18, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Does anyone know if it will be sold in the usa as the next Dodge Dart[edit]

I hear it might be sold in the USA as the next generation Dodge Dart but I am not sure if it's true or not 65.175.243.206 (talk) 23:18, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Is this a joke? The Dart is based on the smaller front-wheel drive Giulietta... at most, the future Chrysler 200 will share some architecture of the Giulia only because the Giulietta will (typically, suspension, firewall, doors, engines but not in the same exotic materials if applicable), but it doesn't mean it will just be a rebodied Giulia. Give google a try - read this for example [1] and this [2] :) CtrlXctrlV (talk) 06:04, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Reverts to article and merit for 2 engine tables[edit]

Due to incessant reverts/edits compromising the article, others' comments and views would be appreciated at WikiProjects Automobile, in the hope this will refrain Typ932 from further edit warring in the meantime. Thankyou. CtrlXctrlV (talk) 12:55, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Fixed it for you. --77.22.144.77 (talk) 14:15, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Engine crankshaft/ignition timing[edit]

Anyone knows the crankshaft configuration? Or seen a diagram?

A 90º V6 derived from a V8 is problematic: if it was a 120º (like some Ferrari F1 engines: Ferrari 156 F1, Ferrari 126C) the ignition timing would be uniform (one explosion for each 120º). But a 90º V6 needs either split journals (later versions of the PRV engine had that), or individual crankpins (unlikely to be used, since the cylinder spacing would no longer be equal to the v8), otherwise it will have uneven ignition timing. Rps (talk) 12:29, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

https://www.alfaromeousa.com/content/dam/alfausa/pdf/giulia/2017_AR_Giulia_SP.PDF : "Crankshaft: super finished forged nitride steel with single conrod pin" I suppose it means that two conrods are paired on the same crankjournal and thus the firing intervals are 90°-150°. Dovatf (talk) 11:29, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Gearboxes[edit]

Noticed that there is two different gearboxes mentioned to Q version, other says is Getrag and other says is ZF S6-53: http://aftersales.fiat.com/eLumData/IT/83/620_GIULIA/83_620_GIULIA_604.38.898_IT_02_05.16_SA_QV/83_620_GIULIA_604.38.898_IT_02_05.16_SA_QV.pdf https://www.alfaromeousa.com/content/dam/alfausa/pdf/techsheet/usa/giulia/2017_AR_Giulia_FA.pdf this needs some more facts which one is it, or can US version have different box than Europe? Maybe thay Q user manual is more reliable than that US pdf-->Typ932 T·C 10:15, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Return of RWD[edit]

I suggest to change "The Giulia is also the first high volume production Alfa Romeo in over two decades to use a longitudinal engined rear-wheel drive platform, since the 75 was discontinued in 1992" to: "The Giulia is also the first saloon by Alfa Romeo in over two decades to use a longitudinal engined rear-wheel drive platform, since the 75 was discontinued in 1992" The Spider type 4 was namely produced until 1993 and was also a mass production vehicle (or is something different meant with high volume production vehicle?). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.239.64.157 (talk) 13:54, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

2.0 Turbo Q4 in Europe vs USA[edit]

This is really intresting when comparing these:

  • 2.0 L I4 GME MultiAir Turbo AT8 Q4[26] 1,995 cc (121.7 cu in)[47] 280 PS (276 hp; 206 kW)[26] at 5250 rpm 400 N·m (300 lb·ft) at 2,250-4,500 rpm[44] 250 km/h (155 mph)[44] 4.9 s 5.9 L/100 km (48 mpg-imp; 40 mpg-US) 148 Europe
  • 2.0 L I4 GME MultiAir Turbo AT8 Q4[26] 1,995 cc (121.7 cu in)[47] 280 hp (284 PS; 209 kW)[26] at 5250 rpm 306 lb·ft (410 N·m) at 2,250-4,500 rpm[44] 149 mph (240 km/h)[44] 5.1 s 5.9 L/100 km (48 mpg-imp; 40 mpg-US) 148 North America

something really odd here...cant understand how US version with 4hp more is slower, or then there is some errors on US website specifications? -->Typ932 T·C 06:57, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi Typ932! IMO engine is identical but they want to say it has 280 HP in USA due to marketing reasons and most possible that engine in either case has even much more power. If you looked at Quadrifoglio data then in USA it says 505 HP while for us in Europe is 503 HP or 510 PS. So I suggest to you that to make separate tables for US and EU engine list. 280 HP engine in US is both as RWD and AWD (Q4). Regarding 0-100 km/h time in EU gasoline Veloce it's interesting that at Paris Auto Show it was table with 5.2 seconds. Go figure. I almost forgot it. Top Gear tested US 280 HP in both RWD and AWD form. That article mentioned US Veloce with electrical turbo so it's good for future citations. http://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/alfa-romeo/20-tb-4dr-auto/first-drive I must say that some German car lovers are in disbelief for that particular engines and they think I (or maybe you) all made up. --FGA cheerleader (talk) 20:37, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
Yes maybe better do separate list for us/eu, ddint figure it before that Q version has also some difference in horsepower figues. -->Typ932 T·C 19:34, 14 November 2016 (UTC)