Talk:Alfredo Reinado

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Manhunt[edit]

This section needs to be updated and expanded as most of the information relates to a short period of time during Reinado's period on the run (March - April 2007). Equally I have included much of this material in the article Battle of Same as it is of relevance to this event and may not be required in the main article. Anotherclown (talk) 13:01, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Birth[edit]

Can't yet establish what year he was born, but two of the linked articles say he is 39, so either 1966 or 1967. Tale 12:39, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to User:Thebainer for adding it (1967) in his revision - Tale 11:07, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Artical in sydney morning herald titled braggart rebel died as he lived, stated he was born in Aileu, 47 k south of Dili of a Portuguese father and Timorese mother. article by Sara Niner, Austral Policy Form of 18 Feb 2008 revised 14 Mar 2008, states he was forn in Ailue in Nov 1966. Her informant seems to have been Alfredo's uncle Victor Alves in Dili who, quote, said he took car of him for part of his childhood. I am aware thru other of Alfredo's family that he was estranged from his parents because he never forgave them because they did not ransom him from the Indonesians when he was a child. Apparantly that was a common practice. Of course, I have no proof of this. (Do others think we might add something about being partially raised by his Uncle? (L7ease (talk) 14:50, 16 March 2008 (UTC))

Name[edit]

His name is "Alfredo Reinaldo", not "Reinhado"--81.84.198.217 23:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

The spellings Reinado and Reinhado have been consistently used in media reports I've seen, therefore I picked the most commonly used spelling and gave Reinado as an alternative. I have only seen Reinaldo used once, in a single media report, and even in today's media reports [1] they are using Reinado, with no L in it. If you can provide some proof that the media has his name wrong, please do. I'm sure it's possible but you need to do more than just make an unsupported claim. Tale 09:19, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
"Reinhado" is the original Portuguese spelling, but in Timor-Leste are a lot of "wrong" spellings in common use. Another example is Ramos-Hortas ex-wife An(n)a Pessoa Pinto. Most newspapers (German today) are using the spelling Reinado. --J. Patrick Fischer 12:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
"Reinhado" is most definitely not an original Portuguese spelling, though it may still how Reinaldo's spelled his name. FilipeS (talk) 17:25, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree! The Ogre (talk) 17:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Australia[edit]

I have edited the part of how Alfredo came to Australia. I acted as lawyer for him and the others. Jill Jolliffe made reference to it in her obituary in The Sydney Morning Herald Friday, February 15, 2008 (Braggart Rebel Died As He Lived, Jill Jolliffe, ALFREDO REINADO 1966-2008)

Jill wrote this: In 1995 he was among 18 Timorese who became the country's first boat people, sailing to Australia in a leaky boat to request political asylum. With his wife and five-month-old baby aboard, he navigated as other passengers bailed water for six days. The response they met was internment at Port Hedland for two months. They were later freed into the community and their asylum application accepted. Reinado returned home after the Indonesian withdrawal to enlist in the new national army.

It was not Port Headland but a camp at the Curtin Airforce base outside of Derby that they were sent to. I went with them. auskadi

Rank[edit]

Major or Lieutenant Commander? In his post as CO of the Timorese Navy he would have been a Lieutenant Commander, but it seems that he was transferred to the Military Police afterwards. Anyone know if the MP's are part of the Timorese Army or just part of the Defence Force? --RaiderAspect 07:13, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Isn't the Defense Force and the Timorese Army the same? --J. Patrick Fischer 12:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
No, there's a (very) small navy in addition to the army. --bainer (talk) 15:11, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Oops! I misunderstood. German word "Armee" means all forces together. ;-) --J. Patrick Fischer 12:07, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
In the Naval Unit, I believe they wear naval ranks; when as part of the land forces units, they re-put-on army titles. Buckshot06 (talk) 05:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, the Army and Navy have seperate rank structures. See: Military ranks of East Timor. I'm not sure how the ranks match up, however. --Nick Dowling (talk) 22:20, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Another push by little bush.[edit]

Johnny Howard is sending Australian soldiers after him left right and center the last few days,[2] although it appears the Australian media aren't sure whether he's got what it takes to be a folk hero and are backing up the Australian / East Timor government on the stance that he's a fugative, and not a freedom fighter who's rebelling against a corrupt military who killed unemployed youths for demonstrating publically. 211.30.71.59 09:47, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I might note Kevin Rudd is doing the same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.178.36.36 (talk) 05:34, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Captured at eight?[edit]

In our paragraph about his early life we currently say "Reinado was captured by the Indonesian military (TNI) during their invasion of East Timor in 1975, and served as a porter for TNI in Sulawesi and Kalimantan.[2]" In 1975 he would only have been seven or eight years old. Is this really correct? Lisiate (talk) 21:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Quite possible; TNI did do this sort of thing. Buckshot06 (talk) 21:32, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Alfredo told me himself he was captured at age 9. That fits more with dates of birth and invasion. i've been puzzled by all the articles about him saying he was 11. I've also seen one article that said he was born in Nov 1966 titled Bragggart rebel died as he lived in the sydney morning herald (L7ease (talk) 17:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC))