Talk:Alien (film)

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Production country[edit]

Just as a heads up. I added a possibly mildly controversial addition for the production country. In the Monthly Film Bulletin, the film is listed as simply a British production, noting that the 20th-Century Fox production is from a London division. I've changed the article to reflect this and added the source. Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:42, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

On returning, I've noticed someone removed cited material and added some bare-url google searches. Let's try to come to a conclusion before just removing material we don't agree with. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:35, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
With a little research, I found this snippet of information from the ever useful British Film Institute, stating the film was "American funded, but made by Twentieth Century-Fox’s British production subsidiary". Not sure how much that helps. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:37, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
As a heads up here as well, the Academy Awards seems to note the British production status here: [1]. Andrzejbanas (talk) 01:05, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Its been nearly two years (!) and no one has dug up any sort of solution to the production company situation. I have found sources using the UK item and as there have been no further suggestions, I'll change the prose and text to state the film as both British and American co-production. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:48, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
I've changed the production country as no one was expanding on the topic currently. Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:37, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
There are a surprising number of online sources citing the film as both American and British, but based on the conventional definition for how a film's country of origin is determined, I'm not sure that's correct. I think the industry standard is that the country of a film is defined as the place or places where the production companies for that film are based, and therefore where the financing originated. In this case, the financing originated solely within the United States. As for the production company, the film's credits state that it's a 'Brandywine-Ronald Shusett production'. The BFI database similarly confirms that the production company for Alien is Brandywine Productions [2], although it notes that it was made by Twentieth Century-Fox in the UK and it therefore lists the film as both American and British. However, as mentioned above, where a film is made isn't a factor in determining its country of origin. So strictly speaking, since neither the financing nor the production company are from the UK, then this film should really only be listed as a US production. There are a number of published works that cite Alien as a US film, so references can be added as needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:2DA2:ED00:8E:D84D:5A97:C36B (talk) 12:54, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Alien: The Eighth Passenger[edit]

I always thought that Alien was subtitled as Alien: The Eighth Passenger, mainly because some Non-English speaking countries had titled this movie as Alien, le huitième passager (France), L'Étranger : Le Huitième Passager (French Canadian), Alien, el octavo pasajero (Spain)... and all of this titles translate into English as Alien: The Eighth Passenger. Is it sure that these translations are not from an original American title, given to the film at some point in 1978/1979...?

Can't say I've seen any reviews or promo material where the title is given as that. Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:14, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
Ok, thank you Andrzejbanas, I will be awaiting for other user's views and opinions. Thank you again. Kintaro (talk) 15:38, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Let me comment one point: the documentary The Eighth Passenger: Creature Design, abundantly included in the present article as a reference, is titled following the term "The Eighth Passenger". What is interesting to point out, here, is that The Eighth Passenger: Creature Design is an American documentary, made by Americans. Thus, in my opinion, The Eighth Passenger, either as a title or as a subtitle, is of American origin... as it is indeed the film itself. Kintaro (talk) 14:57, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Well, it's your opinion, but you'll need to find it used anywhere. Can't say I've seen it, and honestly even if you do find it, it's not nearly as common as the simple Alien title. Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:57, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
The Eighth Passenger I take as simply the name of the documentary. Many documentaries about making of films are not named after the film. Dangerous Days for Blade Runner, Superior Firepower for Aliens etc. The documentary carrying that name doesn't really mean anything with regards to the film's title. I know the film was originally pitched under the title Star Beast but was called Alien by the time the script was finalized. None of my books on the making of etc mention The Eight Passenger that I've been able to see regarding either the title or subtitle of the English name. Nor can I see it in any of the poster variants that I have images of. Not saying it never existed, but I've not been able to locate any reference to it in English. It's possible the proliferation of it in the foreign names cross pollinated back into English and attached to it after the fact. Canterbury Tail talk 01:32, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Canterbury Tail, the point is that, as of 1979, countries like Spain, France or Canada (in Quebec) added the subtitle The Eighth Passenger to their versions, into their own language, of course (El octavo pasajero into Spanish and Le huitième passager into French). Regarding this documentary... the year is 2003, not 1979. Thus, the source of this subtitle (The Eighth Passenger) is not the documentary... Kintaro (talk) 16:33, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

No I didn't think the source of the name was the documentary. I was pointing to it as a cross pollination of the name back from the foreign language versions back into English. It's not uncommon for many different foreign languages to share a common translation of a film's name that doesn't exist in the English. This is often due to in most distribution studios there being a domestic department and then an international distribution department. So it's pretty common for the international distribution department to come up with a different name or description that is then used in the foreign language versions. it doesn't necessarily mean it was ever attached in any way to the English version name or subtitle.
Anyway all of this is academic, you'd need a source that the name or subtitle was attached to the English language version. Everything else we have is just speculation or synthesis. Canterbury Tail talk 17:06, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, Canterbury Tail, for your kind and complete answer. It's a reasonable and quite convincing assumption. Kintaro (talk) 00:36, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
I am however very curious and looking into this myself. My sources don't have the name attached to the film originally in English, however it would be fascinating if it did. So I'm checking what I can to see if there is any connection, old books etc. Canterbury Tail talk 19:23, 15 October 2016 (UTC)


I spend a lot of time in madrid. my mrs has the boxed set, & was puzzled by the english title being "just" 'alien'. she's always known it at 'alien- the 8th passenger'.

but don't take my word for it- here's the poster:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YToj0KGq7t0/U3LBp7Qg-nI/AAAAAAAALNY/vLDSGkWj5Mo/s1600/ALIEN+EL+8O+PASAJERO+-+Spanish+Poster+1.jpg

duncanrmi (talk) 17:45, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

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