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Both countries are shown as different entities in the large overview table but politically refer to the same country, the "Federal Republic of Germany" (which exists since 23 May 1949 until today). Also, the Federal Republic of Germany is mentioned as "defunct nation" in the article, which is in this context not correct. The "variations" section tries to explain the different names of Germany but at least GER and FRG are one and the same nation and should be treated as such. --2A02:C7D:51E3:A900:AC71:B1C4:F5A7:A979 (talk) 18:50, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
I fully agree, just stumbled over this error. Not combining the results of the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic makes sense, but seperating the Federal Republic of Germany from itself or even calling it a "defunct nation", is completely nonsense. It looks like even the results of really defunct German predecessor states from 1896 to 1952 were counted under "Germany", while separating the results of the Federal Republic of Germany before and after 1990. This is just wrong on so many levels. --Tk2342 (talk) 16:31, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Would it be possible to amend this in the article accordingly (i.e. combine GER and FRG, which is one and the same nation) given that there seems to be an edit protection? --126.96.36.199 (talk) 11:15, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
Any update on the amendment request or alternative views? Again, the current version is a misrepresentation since GER is the same country as FRG. This not only applies to the Olympics but also to football, where Germany (GER/FRG) has won four World Championships in 1954, 1974, 1990 and 2014 with the country seen as one and the same unit throughout the years. We must change it in the article/table to keep the high Wikipedia standards. --188.8.131.52 (talk) 11:57, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
I agree with you! Why not make a List like in the German version of wikipedia?, already the Page "All-time Olympic Games medal table" in german language shows the reality of rankings.-LuigiPortaro29 (talk) 12:56, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
That would be an option. Although this is more straightforward for Germany than e.g. for the Russian Federation, which includes medals of the USSR in the German-WP table that could also haven been won by athletes e.g. from Estonia or Ukraine before the 1990s. --184.108.40.206 (talk) 14:00, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
I do not agree. Germany and West Germany had the official name of the Federal Republic og Germany, but it is incorrect to combine both from 1968 to 1988 Olympics. Doing that, we should fix all the sports pages. I think the best option, it is to keep the pattern: West Germany, East Germany, Germany and Unified Team of Germany as different teams — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alubini (talk • contribs) 00:44, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
I don't think there is a simple correct and wrong answer. Germany has competed as various political entities and the continuity of different versions is a matter for discussion which will get different opinions. Why does counting the German Empire and the current FRG together make more sense than combining pre- and post-reunification FRG or vice versa? The only unambiguous non-POV approach is to follow the IOC codes used. The medals were awarded to athletes competing under those codes. This approach can also be followed for all countries, with no requirement to make decisions on a case-by-case basis. Jts1882 | talk 08:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
The IOC Codes have changed for a number of countries over time - Great Britain has, for instance, competed as GBR, GRB and GBI. The same goes for Germany, which had, in addition to the codes you mentioned, also competed as ALL/ALE in 1968 (see link). I personally think that we should use a politically correct categorisation as opposed to a labeling categorisation for this specific case. The German Olympic Sports Confederation, which exsists since 1895, has sent athletes competing as FRG and GER to the Olympics through the same organisational entity, the National Olympic Committee of Germany. It is hence less wrong to add up medals won by FRG and GER than separating the current FRG/GER from itself pre-1990 while combining post-1990 GER with the German Empire/Weimar Republic/Third Reich. --220.127.116.11 (talk) 09:55, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
According to the List of IOC country codes article the codes were not used until the 1956 winter games, which explains the instability of names from then until the late 1960s, and kills off my suggestion. Jts1882 | talk 10:55, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
Interestingly, the data shown on Germany is ambiguous. It mentions that the 1972 Summer Olympics have been held in GER, while only medals before 1952 and after 1992 are highlighted. Next to this, the German Olympic Committee is shown as "Recognised since 1895", while pages about medals won under the FRG, GDR and EUA IOC-Code are missing. That does not make sense at all in my point of view. FIFA may be subject to a lot of citicism these days but at least they get things right with regards to FRG = GER. --18.104.22.168 (talk) 11:56, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
The IOC website shows the medals won by Germany from 1896 to 1952, and then from 1992 to 2018. The medals won by West Germany, East Germany and Unified Team of Germany from 1952 to 1988 are not shown. So I think it is better to keep the pattern. https://www.olympic.org/germany — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 02:42, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
The question is if this segmentation is correct from an encyclopedic point of view. Also, as has been mentioned before, https://www.olympic.org/germany shows that Germany has held the 1972 Summer Olympics. Was Germany, following that logic, host of the Olympics as GER but competed as FRG? Sapere aude. - --DonJusto99 (talk) 07:21, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
Quote from the article "As a result of the Germany being divided, from 1968 to 1990 two independent teams competed in each of the Games; the original designations were GER for the Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany) and GDR for the German Democratic Republic (East Germany). In 1980 the West German code was changed to FRG (which is currently also applied by the IOC in retrospect)." --126.96.36.199 (talk) 15:49, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Interesting article: "The IOC currently splits these results among four codes, « even though only the German Democratic Republic (GDR) from 1968 to 1988 had sent a separate team to compete against the team of the German NOC that represented Germany (GER) since 1896. »" --DonJusto99 (talk) 16:18, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Please provide evidence for the "socking" allegation. I simply have the impression that several people are discussing with an IP (as the Olypmics are a broadly discussed topic at the moment with many occasional WP-users visiting this page). While it can never be fully be excluded that some people are more active in such threads than others, such admin moves should be substantiated with sufficient proof. --188.8.131.52 (talk) 07:29, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
— Berean Hunter(talk) 18:45, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
Where is the detailed table that used to exist?
If you think it was to much split it in two parts for W and S games separately. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 10:24, 27 February 2018 (UTC)