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This album isn't alternative metal. theres nothing about this album which makes it alternative, besides the fact that they used to play nu metal which is a metal genre influenced from a variety of genres (alternative being one of them). Id say this album is Groove metal and id like to add that onto the page without it being deleted. and its more groove metal as well because as stated in many reviews, they have used a lot more guitar solos now, and when the band was talking about the new album before it was released they stated that they would continue with the thrashy solos and riffing. the reason i am saying all this is because it says not to change the genre name unless discussed on this page. so i guess i need to wait for an agreement of some sort. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Okram 09 (talkcontribs) 23:09, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

What sources do you have that declare the album Grove Metal? It may be clear as day to you but with reliable sources, it is nothing more than original research and you can't use it on Wikipedia. REZTER TALK ø 23:21, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
The problem with your argument, Okram, is that there's no basis but your personal opinion. If we're going off of personal opinions, then it's this simple: I disagree. Now you can't add it. Luckily for you, we don't go on personal opinions, we use reliable sources to prove our claims (click and read the link). If you can prove it's groove metal, come back here and link us. --The Guy complain edits 00:30, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Would it be fair to put down "Groove Metal partly"? As there is definitely Groove in Psychosocial.

to me its more like hardcore punk and groove metal mixed (Seth4000 (talk) 16:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)) Seth4000

I think alternative metal and heavy metal are appropriate as the genres but can we also add nu metal as the third genre?Xx1994xx (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:48, 30 January 2010 (UTC).

ok, i dont now how to link but IGN and the Rolling Stone both make referce to Groove with IGN also mentioning Hardcore, since Heavy Metal and Alernative Metal are not referenced in the info box this is a good as anything, while this will annoy Slipknots detractors Groove Metal has been associated with the sound of the ablum in reviews and in most cases this seems to be good enough —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:40, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Until Slipknot starts making kickass solos and actual songs like Pantera does then they're not groove metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:22, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Look, Like every other Slipknot album on Wikipedia, it is nu metal. Take Vol. 3: (The Subliminal Verses) for example. Even though it has songs on it that are acoustic rock, like Vermilion pt. 2 and Circle, but it is still labeled as nu metal. It is not hard core punk on any level by the way. So just because Psychosocial (song) is "Groove Metal" to you, one song will not change an album consisting of 12 tracks. CrowzRSA21:52, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

This is Alternative Metal, Alternative metal is a mixure of Heavy Metal, DarkRide666 or go to my talk page (Talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:38, 19 July 2010 (UTC). i think this album is heavy enough to qualify as groove metal & heavy metal, however their is nothing "alternative" about slipknot — Preceding unsigned comment added by I call the big one bitey (talkcontribs) 10:56, 4 July 2012 (UTC)


Finnish is spelled as "Finish" in the Chart Positions for different countries. Is it possible for someone to correct it? Alice1869 (talk) 08:39, 5 September 2008 (UTC)Alice1869

Done. Blackngold29 12:12, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Number 1 in the world?[edit]

I was just wondering if this was noteworthy enough? [1] Is this actually a chart? REZTER TALK ø 12:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

The album did go number one but those charts don't seem very reliable —Vanishdoom (talk) 13:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Honestly, how can you ask if number 1 IN THE WORLD is noteworthy enough to be added. There is chart data for various countries, and even continents already, so why not add it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:08, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I was asking if the chart is actually recognised, because the site doesn't look too legit to me. REZTER TALK ø 19:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Nuclear Blast[edit]

Where was this album, or any of the group's albums, issued by Nuclear Blast? Outside of Wikipedia, there's zero mention of this. LuciferMorgan (talk) 15:02, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

  • In Norway, says so on their offical site. Jasca Ducato (talk) 17:14, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Dead Memories single/video?[edit]

i found a teaser trailer on and tattered& im just wondering why there isnt any article or mention of this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zekethemaggot (talkcontribs) 20:14, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I will add some mention of it with references from soon enough. For now, those two websites, I believe are fansites, and cannot be used as references. --The Guy complain edits 20:42, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I already made an article of Dead Memories and its gone. I had a website from an Interview of Clown stating it was the next single but, people had 2 take it down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

One interview does not make a single warrant its own article. When it is released it will most likely chart, at which point it will meet WP:NSONGS, and we can get the article back up again. Blackngold29 15:24, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think there needs to be another source once Clown stated it. Well now the Artwork has come out for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Special Editon Album Art[edit]

what about the album art of the special edition CD/DVD? can any one upload it as my account is not autoconfrimed yet? [2]

It is the same as the regular cover art with a special edition sticker on the front. I don't think that's a legitimate difference to claim both as fair use. Blackngold29 13:27, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Extreme metal[edit]

Please explain how this album *itself* is not extreme metal? I find these characteristics leading to the idea of extreme metal, even when listening to the songs in passing:

occassional thrash metal guitar riffs
double bass drumming
harsh, "yelled" vocals

From what I've seen, those things an extreme metal band does make. zaruyache —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:50, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

See Rezter's comment in the "Genre" section above. Blackngold29 00:02, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I see no references for alternative metal, or heavy metal, either. Somebody should get on that. Those genres not having citations saying how they are factual makes the extreme metal tag equally as factual. zaruyache —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't matter anymore, as Wikiproject: Albums voted to take Genre out of the infobox. Done dispute. --The Guy complain edits 01:02, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Not anymore, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

I disagree with the Extreme metal tag. --The Guy complain edits 02:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Genre Debate 2[edit]

In an attempt to end continuous edit warring the following list has been organized, please add any sources to the list so a consensus can be reached on what to add to the infobox. Keep in mind that personal opinions have no place on Wikipedia articles, and all information should be from a reliable source and WP:NPOV. Thank you. Blackngold29 02:00, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Allmusic and guardian tags aren't reliable, the review are Ihy34 (talk) 02:12, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

the pop/rock tag is very vague and totally false, since they're in no way pop music, and the same goes for the pop and rock tag. All metal is rock music when you get right down to it, but that's not very specific and metal is almost totally different than common rock 'n' roll. Slipknot are popular music, but they don't fit in with the rest of the "pop" genre. Zaruyache (talk) 14:41, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Take it up with Allmusic. I did not include it in the infobox, because I felt "Heavy and Atl metal" was a more specific description. Most sites seem to give very broad descriptions. Blackngold29 17:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I must admit that you are right. Although I find many of these songs sounding similar to Slayer style Thrash with more screaming making it close to Metalcore I have no sources and can't change anything. However I would like to see these put up if anyone finds souces because they seem very fitting of this album. However, I would find Speed metal a good description as well. There is a trace of Groove metal On a couple songs too. Psychosocial for example. Thank you for your time. BlueGoat (talk) 14:07, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Comment: I came here from the FAC page. Why are both heavy metal and alternative metal listed? The latter is a subgenre of the former, so only one or the other needs to be listed for an album page. As albums don't have to cover as much ground as an artist article, you don'h have to list as many genres in the infobox. Keep it short and to the point. It's why all Nirvana albums only list grunge in the infobox, and not alternative rock as well. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:03, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Rick Rubin[edit]

Why is rick rubin mentioned in the personnel section as the producer?

wasnt he not involved in the production of album?

Torque3000 (talk) 17:29, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

He was producer on Vol. 3. As the special edition includes tracks from that album, he is still credited for them. Blackngold29 20:24, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah he is creditted on the special edition because he produced the Vermillion track (alongside Chris Vrenna and

Clint Walsh) --REZTER TALK ø 18:02, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

What to do, what to do...[edit]

I know this is a rather silly question, but what exactly is there to do on this page? It's an article of focus, so I expected more in the talk page, and possibly people saying "This needs improved" or "this needs a bit of a clean up", you know? Just a question, but what are we meant to focus on this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

At the moment we're doign a peer review to get help on what needs improving (see Wikipedia:Peer review/All Hope Is Gone/archive1) and after that I think we should try submitting it for featured article status. Sorry about the confusion, the next AoF we'll return to the old format of running things because this was gettign a good article to featured article.... nto a lot of thigns to do. Next time we'll do the old talk page... tihs needs doing. Thanks for your interest though. You can help out by trying to resolve any issues are brought up in the peer review and/or the feature article candidate discussion when we submit it. REZTER TALK ø 12:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


Now, this is something that I can't fix because I'm not really an admin, but Psychosocial is the first singe. All Hope is Gone was a promotional track, but never a single. Even Slipknot has said that Psychosocial is the first single. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:46, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Around release time this was discussed in length on multiple talk pages. All Hope Is Gone (the song) charted on multiple singles charts and therefore the decision was made to count it as a single. There were some reports that said otherwise, as stated, but we cannot simply ignore AHIG because it was released first and it did chart. blackngold29 04:41, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
I concur. --The Guy complain edits 05:32, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, like Pulse of the Maggots released from Vol.3 All Hope Is Gone was just a promotional song. Another example is the song Crack A Bottle by Eminem from Relapse, released as a promo single and it actually charted because radio stations placed on air which would make it available on several musical charts however the first single from Relapse was We Made You.

Pulse of the Maggots did not chart, I believe however it's a very similar case to the song All Hope Is Gone. Duality was released as the lead single from Vol. 3, and Psychosocial is All Hope Is Gone's first single. Btw, all of Slipknot's singles get music videos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevon100 (talkcontribs) 16:43, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Featured article nomination[edit]

The article's nomination has been archived. I will copyedit it in a few days, then we can renominate it again. Gary King (talk) 04:55, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I feel that the article is ready for FAC once more. Gary King (talk) 19:19, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
I still do not feel that the article meets the standards, but I can't really place my finger on just why. It seems to be missing something to me. But anyways, one thing; do we have singles charts? Those could be added to increase comprehensiveness. --The Guy complain edits 02:14, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
I believe singles charts are typically reserved for the separate song articles. If a song has charted, it is notable, therefore it would have an article. I am willing to clean up the article, but could you tell me what specifically is not right about it? Gary King (talk) 02:29, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
You might want to run that by a number of other editors. I'd try a WikiProject, like WikiProject: Albums. Ask the main talk pages about putting singles charts on album pages, because I see it's generally done everywhere, but it isn't generally specified that it must be done, either. I'd run it by the talk page. You know, I can't place my finger on what seems off about this article, but I'd re-submit it for FA if you really want to. I'll just comment there if I realize what it is that seems odd to me. --The Guy complain edits 02:32, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Generally done everywhere? Could you point me to some FA album articles that are like that? From the ones I've seen, including the ones I worked on (such as Vol. 3: (The Subliminal Verses)), single charts were not included. Gary King (talk) 02:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Specifically, I can not. What I meant by that is that if I'm curious about an album, and look it up, 9 times out of 10, single charts will be listed on the article. The reason I can't go specific, is because I only edit so many music articles. But, another article I recently submitted to FAC, Indestructible, has the singles charted, and the FAC gave no criticism for that, if that helps any. I think it's mostly optional, but I seem to find it in the good majority of articles I research here, and I think it helps, in the long run. --The Guy complain edits 02:53, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Slipknot is not Death Metal.[edit]

Slipknot is not Death Metal, this is pretty obvious, please remove the tag describing the album as such. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Which is why it isn't marked as such. If it is, then please change it back. Gary King (talk) 20:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


I would have to say that the album is very experimental and mixes different genres of metal such as Alternative Metal Melodic Death Metal Metalcore Honestly, anyone who has truly listened to the album has to admit that it has some similarities to all those genres. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakeellsonator (talkcontribs) 22:38, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I do not have to admit and will not have to admit anything of the sort. Even if I did, as you say, it would be irrelevant; what is contributed to that infobox is determined by reliable sources, and not original research, or personal opinions. --The Guy complain edits 02:31, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok, well Alternative Metal and Heavy Metal are not sourced, how do we know this isn't your original research? As I said above genres other than Alternative Metal and Heavy Metal are mentioned in 'professional' reviews that are regarded as reliable. Plus Slipknot is clearly more extreme than other bands classified under Alternative Metal and especilly Heavy Metal, in fact, does any other source other than Allmusic refer to them as simply Heavy Metal? Other bands under Heavy Metal include Black Sabbith, Judas Preist and Iron Maiden, I don't really think this album can be classified as similar to them. Alternative Metal is fine but Groove or Extreme Metal of some kind should also be added, the Rolling Stone and IGN refer to Groove Metal in their reviews. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:13, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Allmusic states it right here, no original reaseach. If you have another reliable source that has other genres, let us see the source and we'll add it to the list; it's as simple as that. If you don't have a reliable source, we can't add it because that's Wikipedia policy. blackngold29 01:33, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

what's wrong with Rolling Stone and IGN? the scores they gave to the album are used why can't the genres they mention also be used? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:49, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok is this just getting ignored now? Or does allmusic automatically over ride all other sources. I'd link Rolling Stone and IGN but I don't no how as i said in an above discussion. The score given by IGN is on the page and quotes from Rolling Stone's review are on the article. Do these get Groove Metal added or does allmusic rule all? ( remember as you said personal opinions count for nothing ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Past Tour Dates[edit]

I found a big collection of tour dates on the link below. Now, i know its from and also that it is not a very reliable source but if we can somehow verify these dates we can use them in articles regarding the past slipknot tours.

Slipknot Tourography Torque3000 (talk) 10:03, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

First of all... this is not the right place to discuss this, this is a talk page on how to improve THIS article. Secondly... as you know, that is not a reliable source and it never will be. All the information may be true but we need reliable sources to support our claims, it's wikipedia policy. So in principal... that is useless. REZTER TALK ø 14:18, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

High Frequency Distortion[edit]

On the special edition CD/DVD digipack of All Hope Is Gone, the last two tracks (Vermillion Pt.2 & Til We Die) have a really high pitched 'tone' at certain points (Til We Die more noticably). Does anybody else hear this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:45, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

This page is not for discussing the album in general. It is only for discussing improvments which may be made to the article. If you are suggesting that we should include this information in the article then I must say that it is not notable and fails WP:OR. REZTER TALK ø 16:43, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

If it's not notable then why is there a section about distortion (see critiscm regarding production) in the article about Metallica's Death Magnetic? Besides it would probably be useful to people reading this article with the intent to buy either the regular edition or the special edition that there are some issues concerning the quality of the last two tracks...

That section is backed with multiple sources, if such souces can be found regarding this article the I see no problem with adding it. I cannot hear said tones myself. blackngold29 13:32, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

The best I could find are a few comments on the LastFM page for the song Til We Die. I can hear it but my girlfriend can't. I'm 18, so it's possibly at a frequency which only younger people can hear. Which would also explain why nobody picked it up during the production of the CD. However Slipknot isn't exactly known for having a mature fanbase, so it's suprising that there isn't more sources to be found on it. Oh well.

Last track on the special edition?[edit]

There seems to be a dispute over which track is the last on the special edition. Some sources say "Vermilion Pt. 2": [3], [4], [5]. However, the Slipknot official store and Google Shopping show "'Till We Die" as the last track: [6], [7]. So, which sources should we go by? Timmeh 15:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I would guess the album itself, which would mean "Til We Die". blackngold29 15:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that does seem like the logical choice. The official Slipknot store has "Til We Die" last as well. I wonder why all those other stores have it differently. Maybe there were copies of the album that had the last two tracks rearranged? Timmeh 15:31, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah maybe the digital album had the last two tracks re-arranged. But I think we should go by the physical release... which has "'Til We Die" as the final track. REZTER TALK ø 20:49, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Article of Focus[edit]

The current AoF hasn't changed since last August (almost a year by now), and All Hope Is Gone is already a GA (actually since last August as well). Is there a point in still keeping this article as the current AoF? —Terrence and Phillip 06:18, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

There's no objection from me to remove AoF thing. I guess we just got lax with it, I started University about that time and I hardly had anytime to use Wikipedia and I guess things just got forgotten. REZTER TALK ø 15:42, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Album Covers[edit]

The album covers are correct on this date (see signature), please do not change. CrowzRSA 22:49, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

You're going to need to provide valid reasoning, backed up by reliable sources, to prove your version is correct. Timmeh 23:03, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


"Alternative Metal" before "Heavy Metal". --AlemanI2.0 (talk) 23:31, 28 November 2009 (UTC)


I have posted 2 reviews over the past weeks. Rolling Stone giving it 4 out of 5, which I saw in the August, 08 issue and was posted online until they re-arranged their website and all of their reviews of Slipknot's albums are dead links AND Ultimate Guitar gave it 8.8 out of 10, when rounded up it's 9 out of 10. Links were provided. Why has this been removed? Either one into the list makes 10 reviews, as stated by admin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevon100 (talkcontribs) 23:47, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Display Certifications[edit]

Slipknot has numerous gold certificates including a platinum one. The page only shows Gold in Germany so please would you add the other certifications? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevon100 (talkcontribs) 22:51, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Genre changes[edit]

Please discuss changes to genres in the infobox here before undertaking them in an attempt to gain consensus, especially when no reliable sources are being cited.--SabreBD (talk) 22:00, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

All Hope Is Gone [Special Edition] album[edit]

how com there is no info on the All Hope Is Gone [Special Edition] album i can find only some info on other sits here is what i found could some one add it thanks 13. Child Of Burning Time 14. Vermilion Pt. 2 (Bloodstone Mix) 15. 'Til We Die — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:25, 22 October 2011 (UTC)


  • I've removed the groove metal cite. it was only describing one or two songs, not the entire album. Also, I'm not sure how much the site is reliable as it seems to publish user-submitted content without back checking. Several sources here are using bare URLs and a good amount of the links seem to have died. This article needs a tune-up. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:37, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Bogus Google name[edit]

When seen in google the album name comes up as "Heat Wave Lava Boiz" i cant change it can someone else — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:01, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


Per WP:RS, "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.". Members of Slipknot are still alive, don't apply descriptive genres of anyone's work without a source. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:36, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Please note per WP:V and Template:infobox album, you need sources for all material discussed in any music related infobox. Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:53, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
So yeah. per the allmusic source we need something more specific, as in, something we could add as prose to the article to make it understandable to the users who may not be familiar with the genre, or to just say how someone notable described it as this genre. Can we do this? Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:58, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
No problem, do you have any suggestions? Lukejordan02 (talk) 22:09, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Just try and find a stronger source I guess. It's a popular album from recent times, I'd look for some reviews or overviews of group's career online or in print and bring them here and see how it is discussed. Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:16, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
It is very hard finding them. Slipknot's first two albums (Slipknot & Iowa) is easily sourced as Nu-Metal and (Vol 3 & All Hope Is Gone) is easily sourced as not being Nu-Metal with such reviews mentioning them moving away from their early Nu-Metal sound. Apart from that I can't find a reliable source for any genre regarding this album. I would suggest what you did about leaving the genre section blank but my worry would be that anyone who comes on the page will add whatever genres they think it should be labelled (as shown by that IP edit.) So I don't no what to do, I'll admit I'm out of ideas :) Lukejordan02 (talk) 22:23, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
That was my big problem with genres in the infobox. I wish we didn't have them there and had to explain them in prose, like I did for the article on Glass Swords. All the other information in the infobox is generally not controversial or open for opinion (i.e: who produced an album, where it was recorded, etc.). I once proposed to remove genre from all the music related infobox and got attacked by users saying I was trying to censor wikipedia (!?). Half the time, most people have different interpretations on what an artists style is, so there's very rarely a consensus. I'd leave it blank and just revert people and refer them to the talk page. Worst thing that could happen is they'll get blocked eventually. That's wikipedia for you! : )
I completely agree! Unlike where or when an album was recorded which is factual I don't think a genre every really is factual, it is nothing more than a persons opinion wether it is a normal member of the public or a professional reviewer. I don't think an "encyclopedia" is the place for it and it should be removed from all music articles on Wikipedia. Just an idea but do you think that if you and I was to propose the idea again and explain why it is bad (it leads to edit wars and blocks) and how all that bought us together to suggest it. Lukejordan02 (talk) 22:47, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Alt metal, nu metal, groove metal all work. Just pick one or all of them and decide on something already. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:54, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

It's not up to us to decide what "works", it's up to us to find sources of what others are describing the album is. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:42, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
So it's been a few days. If we can't get a source specific for these genres. I'll remove the current ones we have until we get citations for some. Sound okay?

Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:25, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Slipknot is obviously SOME type of metal. If we can't find one of those, can we list it as just "metal"? Maybe even without a link, because metal music leads to heavy metal, which is still contentious. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 18:55, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
I agree with you that they are some sort of metal, but without a specific source, it makes it look like you can add genres without source. And without a source, it makes it look like anyone can come in and fiddle around with the genre as they please, which of course, they can not without a source. I'd leave it blank like you would with anything information until we can get some source. They are a popular band, it shouldn't be too hard. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:27, 22 October 2014 (UTC)