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- 2 autonomous region
- 3 1911 Britannica article on Garrucha
- 4 Disputed: Strong populist desire for autonomy
- 5 Info Box Format Problem
- 6 Inconsistent Spelling
- 7 Assessment
- 8 "one of the driest cities"
- 9 Desert climate
- 10 References in climate section
- 11 What is going on in this article?
- 12 Climate Monthly Record high / record low?
- 13 External links modified
- Article has almost no citations and therefore chance information is incorrect. --Joe Gazz84user•talk•contribs•Editor Review 03:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
From the political point of view, there is a strong populist desire to achieve the status of an "autonomous region" in Spain, in spite of the great efforts of the Andalusian government to disuade the voters.
It's not a joke. In Almeria there is a strong desire of achieve the status of an 'autonomous region', but we don't have a political party that support this idea. Un Almeriense (y mucho) From the political point of view, there is a strong populist desire to achieve the status of an "autonomous region" in Spain, in spite of the great efforts of the Andalusian government to disuade the voters.
It's a joke? 0o (a spaniard).
- Actually, not. But it's like Lionese independentism, irrelevant, at its best; at its worse, a joke (another Spaniard) --184.108.40.206 (talk) 09:02, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
1911 Britannica article on Garrucha
GARRUCHA, a seaport of south-eastern Spain, in the province of Almeria; on the Mediterranean Sea and on the right bank of the river Antas. Pop. (1900) 4461. The harbour of Garrucha, which is defended by an ancient castle, affords shelter to large ships, and is the natural outlet for the commerce of a thriving agricultural and mining district. Despite its small size and the want of railway communication, Garrucha has thus a considerable trade in lead, silver, copper, iron, esparto grass, fruit, &c. Besides sea-going ships, many small coasters enter in ballast, and clear with valuable cargoes. In 1902, 135 vessels of 390,000 tons entered the harbour, the majority being British or Spanish; and in the same year the value of the exports reached 478,000, and that of the imports 128,000. Both imports and exports trebled their value in the ten years 1892-1902.
Disputed: Strong populist desire for autonomy
Having lived in Almería for over 35 years the assertion that there is a strong desire of autonomy apart from the Autonomous region of Andalucia and that the Andalusian Government is doing "great efforts to disuade the voters" is completely unfounded. I have no idea where the author of this article got that information. (posted to main article anonymously by User:220.127.116.11; transferred here by User:Ceyockey 23:09, 29 December 2005 (UTC))
I come here after a few months a find that nonsense comment that there's a strong desire for autonomy. I don't usually delete anything because I feel that's an agressive move. But I do ask the author to delete that because it is completely unfounded and false not a question of opinion.
The first user in this discussion made it even worse when trying to dispute the claim by admitting there's a desire of autonomy but no political party to support it. Well, there's NO party to support that and there's NO desire. It is not a question of debate here in Almería. It is Wikiality, a reality invented by the author of the article, probably a foreigner out of many here in Almeria who bumped into a wrong source.
Info Box Format Problem
On my browers (Internet Explorer 6) at 1280 x 1024 the info box is obscuring some of the article's text. Anyone got any ideas on how to fix this? Greenshed 20:49, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
How about some consistency in the spelling of the place? Is there a stress accent on the "i" or not? Maybe someone can clarify (preferably a native Spanish speaker).Lazzeez (talk) 15:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- Here is a Spaniard: yes; in Spanish it's "Almería", but you know, you don't use stress in English... --18.104.22.168 (talk) 09:04, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
- Proper names are spelled as they are, if possible. Therefore, this article should stay consistent with its spelling, "Almería." Bluefishe (talk) 19:40, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
This article is in poor shape, poor spelling, one sentence paragraphs, miniscule lead, looks more like a photo gallery than an article about a provincial capital. I have placed some tags as it needs copy-editing, adherence to WP:MOS and proper referencing to WP:RS. Jezhotwells (talk) 08:21, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
"one of the driest cities"
Are there drier cities in Europe than Almeria? Maybe some city in the Kazakh desert which somehow qualifies as Europe? Or somewhere deep in the artic circle?Inactive user 20171 (talk) 10:52, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
- Yes it was one in Kazakhstan but it's a city exactly split by the Euroasian border, a part of the city is asian and the other part is european so I don't know exactly what to say. Btw, no one here (counting me) managed to found a place in Europe drier than Cabo de Gata, which has even less rain. --TechnicianGB (talk) 21:03, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- I noticed the claim that Almeria is surrounding by areas with a BWh climate (hot-desert under Koeppen climate classification scheme) is unsourced. Does anyone have any data to support this? I can't find anything - either other wiki pages for towns along this stretch of the Spanish coast - or anything on google (apart from tourism pages touting the area as 'Europe's only desert'. I'm planning to remove this statement for now. Redtitan (talk) 20:49, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Redtitan, here is the source for BWh climate in Almería with parts of Murcia and Alicante, with the Canary Islands, mostly on the islands of Fuerteventura and Lanzarote.https://digitum.um.es/xmlui/bitstream/10201/2278/1/105410.pdf?sequence=1
- Also here: Cabo de Gata-Nĺjar Natural Park registers rainfall of 156 mm which is probably the lowest on the European continent since it is lower than Atyrau and Aktau in Kazakhstan, the border between Europe and Asia. There is no doubt it is a BWh climate.Inactive user 20171 (talk) 00:31, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
El observatorio Faro de Cabo de Gata (36°43′18.8″ N, 2°11′34.69″ W), registrado durante el período 1961-1990, 156 mm de precipitación anual promedio.Inactive user 20171 (talk) 00:22, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
See this description (from the Köppen climate classification):
A third letter can be included to indicate temperature. Originally, h signified low-latitude climate (average annual temperature above 18 °C) while k signified middle-latitude climate (average annual temperature below 18 °C), but the more common practice today, especially in the United States, is to use h to mean the coldest month has an average temperature above 0 °C (32 °F), with k denoting that at least one month averages below 0 °C.
Scheridon Leave it. This seems like some type of vandalism. The editor above has removed the Spanish and Portuguese Meteorological agency's climatic map of Spain and Portugal, which I substituted it for a user generated map in the Climate of Spain article (I have just reverted his edit). Here are the maps:Iberian Climate Atlas/Macaronesian Climate Atlas which he just removed.Inactive user 20171 (talk) 09:09, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
Almería has a mean average of 19.1ºC. So it's a clearly H climate, BWh/BSh. BWk/BSk are for climates with an average under 18ºC. That map of the koppen climates in Spain is just laugheable. It's very unprecise and false. The maps from AEMET are accurate, AEMET is an official meteorologic agency awarded by the NOAA, the other map is usermade... --TechnicianGB (talk) 19:33, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
@Inactive user 20171: Inactive user, we can't do nothing, everytime this troll uses a different IP to make those unuseful editions. All we can do is propose the page for protection.
Btw, unregistered troll, AEMET makes the whole map of the Iberian Peninsula and Macaronesia in collaboration with the Portuguese IPMA, the map of "koeppen" in Spain is nothing more than a joke as the climate classification of Köppen has definitions, but not an official map, all of the maps are user made, and they're all wrong. Almería has for more than 50 years a mean temperature above 18ºC, that directly qualifies it as a BSh/BWh climate. But in the unuseful map appears as BWk. Laughable, totally unuseful. Same applies for many cities in Spain which have Mediterranean climate and they appear as BSk. Not only in Spain, in many other places the map is very wrong. You can't put before a map made worldwide with a map made by an official meteorologic agency for the own country. LOL --TechnicianGB (talk) 22:21, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
TechnicianGB Btw, the only reason I reverted you is because you deleted the bad map from the talk page. We are not meant to delete other people's edits in talk pages.Inactive user 20171 (talk) 08:13, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
- Ok @Inactive user 20171: I got it, but really you also deleted an additional comment which I made, but not a problem hahaha! The one which I deleted is that one which was speaking about the Basque Country, Catalonia and Galicia with the senseless discussions which that anonymous user wrote here without any kind of connection to the climate of Almeria. Regards --TechnicianGB (talk) 00:28, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
Anonymous user, stop changing this page and the climate page if that map maded by a Wikipedia user can't be more wrong, the city of Almeria has a mean average of 19.1ºC, the city of Alicante 18.3ºC, the city of Murcia 18.6ºC, the city of Las Palmas 21.2ºC, the city of Santa Cruz de Tenerife 21.5ºC (and many more, just putting some examples), how can all of those places appear as BWk/BSk if their annual average is above 18ºC!!!!! AEMET/IPMA list them as BWh/BSh because it is exactly what they are, and the AEMET/IPMA map is based on 1971-2000 averages, which were colder. Stop making such irrelevant/unuseful editions everytime with a different IP because those maps can say everything they want as they're are bad, they're mistaken, they are not good!!! --TechnicianGB (talk) 01:37, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
Which part of there is no official Köppen climate classification map you don't understand? The climate classification tells how to determine a climate, but it doesn't have any official map. That is the met agencies work! --TechnicianGB (talk) 01:38, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
TechnicianGB Don't bother engaging with this editor. If he continues we will request the article is protected. Someone who is editing this article rambling about climate change and independence of regions of Spain is not engaging constructively. It is either a troll or a mentally unstable person. Inactive user 20171 (talk) 16:16, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
These Koppen climate map files are not user-maded maps, they were uploaded on Wikimedia Commons. the AEMET/IPMA climate map was deleted on May 11, 2017. Kazakhstan is partially in Europe and has a desert climate in it's Asian portions, Since the Ural river divides the two continents, and the Canary Islands, which part of Africa and have a desert climate specially on most of Fuerteventura and Lanzarote, but they also belong to Spain, which is a European country anyways. Listen Scheridon, I'm sorry I said a bad word to you, because you should be ashamed of yourself. I wanted to give you 3 reasons there are differences between the Wikipedia-uploaded fair use AEMET/IPMA climate map file and the Wikimedia Commons-uploaded Koppen climate map files: 1. The AEMET/IPMA climate map of Iberia and Macaronesia were on the internet. 2. The 1st Koppen climate map of mainland Spain listed Almeria in BSk. And 3. The 2nd Koppen climate map of mainland Spain lists Almeria and Bardenas Reales in BWk, this climate map is based on the Koppen climate map of the world according to the University of Melbourne 2007 (see image thumb|right|Koppen Climate map of the world), because I've already told you how cold deserts have a little snow and tend to be drier than their hot counterparts, and the cold semi-arid climate tends to be located in the temperate zone while their hot counterparts tend to be located in the tropics, and Europe is the only continent on Earth not to be located in the tropics (not counting Antarctica, which has no countries).2602:30A:C0FF:A6E0:8CAC:B219:C9FC:B99F (talk) 00:08, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
I don't know why I'm bothering to answer this IP address but prior to reverting I will answer these crazy arguments: 1) It doesn't matter what the climate of the Asian parts of Kazakhstan are. The sentence refers to Almeria being the only place with this climate in EUROPE. 2) Even if it wasn't the case the ASIAN parts of Kazakhstan have a cold desert climate not a hot desert climate. 3) AEMET/IPMA Maps of Iberia and Macaronesia were made by the Portuguese and Spanish meteorological agencies together. HOW IS THIS RELEVANT? 4) The other map you are presenting is user-generated content.It is not based on anything done by the University of Melbourne, I know because I have discussed it with the guy who actually made it. Other annoying arguments made by this IP are that Catalonia will separate from Spain (?!?!) or "we don't care about climate change (!?!?!?)" This is the last time I'm interacting with him.Inactive user 20171 (talk) 12:37, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Anonymous user, are you mad? Did you read the Köppen climate classification? Any desertic or semi-arid place with a mean annual average above 18ºC is BSh or BWh. Almería has a mean annual temperature above 19ºC, and more than 50 years ago above 18ºC. THEN how would you say that is a BWk or BSk which mean cold semi-arid or cold desertic climates? Do you got any problem with the common sense?? Stop saying the same stupid things because obviously Köppen didn't made any map and any map is man-made. That global map you talk is tremendously wrong for much places. --TechnicianGB (talk) 20:13, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Discasto: i'm talking about common sense because the Köppen climate classification shows how to classify a cold desert/cold semiarid climate from a hot desert/hot semiarid climate, the difference is the last letter which is k/h, k for places where the annual temperature is under 18ºC and h for places where is above 18ºC. So yes, it's perfectly common sense as Almería has an annual temperature of 19.1ºC it surpasses by a notable difference the isotherm of 18ºC which definites a desertic/semiarid climate to be "cold" or "hot". It's not common sense, what do you think? And of course this is what the Köppen climate classification says to determine those climates... --TechnicianGB (talk) 00:27, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
References in climate section
I find a lot of unsourced statements that require a reference. No need to do original research here, but to find a proper source. If the statements are so "self-explanatory", it will be easy to find sources. Until them, requests for references mustn't be removed. Best regards --Discasto (talk) 20:45, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
I don't know which kind of acknowledge have you on the climate but in this case you are wrong. No references needed to calculate the climate, as the Köppen climate classification tells how to classificate a climate. It's the job of an user who wants to know which climate a place has to use that classification and to calculate by the measures they give mixed with the rain and the temperature of that place
And in the official AEMET/IPMA maps of the climate of Iberia and Macaronesia appears in all of the climate zones... As also Almería appears between BWh and BSh, and it also appears on the islands of Fuerteventura and Lanzarote, which are BWh. Is the famous map you want to delete without any reason... Simply because you don't like it. I won't put it again here as you again will blame me for using in many places. But you know which map is and you can check it to see the reference...
What is going on in this article?
Is there anyone editing here who is from Almeria or has been to Almeria??? Why are people edit warring in the climate section and inserting patently wrong information. As an Andalusian it seems seriously retarded to me. I just noted someone include a sentence on the Levante wind. The Levante makes weather hot in Cadiz (where I'm from). In Almeria, the eastern wind obviously comes from the sea so it freshens the place up - just take a look at the map. Also why is this one guy editing out it is BWh climate - the limit of BWh is 18 degrees centigrade - Almeria is over 19 (probably more now in past decade). Gaditano23 (talk) 18:14, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
As mentioned in edit history, Spanish wiki and various sources state Tabernas is primarily cold desert climate due to its high altitutde. There is no need to mention Canary Islands, Ceuta, and Melilla since they are clearly not in Europe. Gaditano23 (talk) 18:23, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Gaditano23: Yeah well guess what, since October 9, 2017, you've been blocked for sockpuppetry, personal attacks, and harassment, but for also having the same account as Inactive user 20171 (formerly Asilah1981), because I think your not from Cadiz, you don't live in Barcelona, your not an Andalusian, and you didn't even claim to be a Spanish speaker, your just nothing but a Catalan separatist. This silly stuff happened in 2016 when TechnicianGB uploaded a file (See the lengthly talk page for the Valencia article, I've cited everything just to know for his convenience). I told him to transfer the file to Commons, but he just constantly refused to do so. Now what did I do? I decided to remove this file from all articles and it was deleted on May 10, 2017 and there was even an incident that involved this dork. I'm just saying that wet seasons and dry seasons are only associated with tropical climates, the Canary Islands, Ceuta, and Melilla are part of Spain, despite being miles away from Europe, coastal parts of Almeria (such as the Cabo de Gata-Níjar Natural Park) have an average temperature of 19.1 °C (66.4 °F) and a rainfall amount of only 154 millimetres (6.1 in), which is notable for being the driest location in Europe, while inland areas (such as the Tabernas Desert) have an average temperature of 17.9 °C (64.2 °F) and more than 200 millimetres (7.9 in) of rainfall, due to it's high altitude, and Almeria is one of the sunniest cities in Europe, not the sunniest of them all. Oh, and Catalonia just declared independence from Spain on October 27, 2017, following an unrecognized independence referendum that occurred 26 days earlier, but it was suspended by the Senate of Spain 4 days later, and it was annulled by the Constitutional Court of Spain on November 8, 2017. Spain is now in a political crisis since 2017, but that has changed after the regional election occurred on December 21, 2017, since Carles Puigdemont was sent to exile in Belgium, and Oriol Junqueras got sent to prison.2602:30A:C0FF:A6E0:814:CF2B:55A6:7345 (talk) 13:58, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
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