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Question regarding Section 8: Membership Fee's[edit]

I want to call attention to this particular section. Besides the misspelling of the section's name, I'm not sure that this should be a separate section at all. Perhaps it could be merged with Section 3.1: Membership Intake? The links are also inconsistent with the linking schema of the rest of this article.

Also, should the the actual membership fees be listed at all? I ask on the grounds that a) no other organizations list their membership fees on their respective pages; and b) these fees change from one year to the next.

Thank you, Xon4 (talk) 20:19, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Please correct the grammar[edit]

The following statement is in the article: "the activities for the fraternity are oversaw by..." and should be stated "the activities of the fraternity are overseen by..." 76.166.131.37 (talk) 03:05, 15 November 2013 (UTC)Dr.H. Barnes

 Done My pleasure to help keep a Featured Article in tip-top shape! Boogerpatrol (talk) 03:12, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

greek art depicting fair skinned people[edit]

There is no citation given for this highly contentious opinion. Almost all greek pottery renders figures as black on orange or orange on black, so pottery is a non starter for claims of a 'fair skinned' greek art. Greek marble tends to be of light colouring, but since these were probably painted and have lost pigment, that is not a strong indicator of 'fairness' either. Given that many 'greeks' were in north africa, there needs to be at least a proper academic citation for a general greek depiction of 'fair skin'.

FAR needed[edit]

Citations are inconsistent, there are external jumps, grammatical issues, and missing "as of" dates. Is anyone able to tune up this article to avoid a Featured article review? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:00, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Incorrectly formatted or incomplete citations are being added; see WP:WIAFA. Citations need to be completely formatted in a consistent style for FAs. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:02, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

NPOV dispute Notable hazing incidents[edit]

The statement "There are many lawsuits, suspensions, expulsions, and news stories in existence in regards to misconduct involving Alpha Phi Alpha" is misleading as the term "many" expresses an opinion.

The "Wikipedia:Neutral point of view" states...

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Rattler98 (talk) 17:09, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

The statement in contention is a fact, not a opinion. Quite frankly there's mountain of evidence validating that Alpha Phi Alpha is a problematic organization in regards to misconduct and hazing violations. How many examples of these violations do you need for many to apply? Anyone familiar with Alpha Phi Alpha knows this to be truth. After only 15 minutes of research and I found 10 new stories of serious hazing and misconduct violations involving the fraternity. In fact, in 2010 the violations got so bad that the national headquarters stopped all membership intake in a futile attempt to redress the issue.[2].Broadmoor (talk)

Detailing hazing is not the issue. Some of your edits clearly inject non-neutral editorial, and stretch or omit the "facts" to state things actually not said in your citations. A "mountain of evidence" does not need such help. 137.200.32.54 (talk) 16:28, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

References

Adding POV & Weight tags. Editor admits NNPOV on talk page ("Quite frankly there's mountain of evidence validating that Alpha Phi Alpha is a problematic organization in regards to misconduct and hazing violations. How many examples of these violations do you need for many to apply? Anyone familiar with Alpha Phi Alpha knows this to be truth."), and some of the statements do not match source material. Also, hazing is already discussed in another section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.200.32.54 (talk) 18:12, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

All statements match source material, if not show which one. I did not admit to NNPOV, you misinterpreted my words. Serious hazing incidents are a big part of the fraternity identity and culture, many of these hazing incidents made headline news and affects the fraternity reputation heavily. All fraternities with a culture of pervasive hazing incidents has this section, Alpha Phi Alpha is no exception. The problem here is censorship of an unflattering yet truthful narrative. The fraternity page sounds more like an advertisement and lacks neutrality but I don't see you attempting to correcting that. Broadmoor (talk)

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