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- 1 What about making a separate page with the list on it?
- 2 Is this list necessary?
- 3 How to Type the letter, for example ü in Waldseemüller ?
- 4 How to type for example, Œ (Latin Ligature OE) ?
- 5 more codes?
- 6 The page is broken
- 7 Redundant tables
- 8 Non-Windows Alt codes
- 9 Quick Key bias
- 10 Article title
- 11 Great work
- 12 Alt+0### is not a Unicode input method
- 13 Table
- 14 Attention
- 15 External link policy
- 16 Facts about alt codes
- 17 Opera?
- 18 Linux LibreOffice input
- 19 Composition exiting after the third digit without releasing Alt
- 20 Circular reference via Code Page 437
What about making a separate page with the list on it?
- Since no one has said anything on the topic, I am going to go ahead and move the table to: "Windows Alt keycodes list". Humphreys7 (talk) 14:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Is this list necessary?
The alt keycode numbers are just ACSII codes for the given symbol. Is this list necessary? Jaxal1 17:56, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Jaxal1, it basically is not ASCII. I just made a complete rewrite of the article. Still, the list is no more necessary, as the correct lists can already be found on the corresponding code page article pages.
- I hope the information given is correct for all versions of Windows, regardless of the language version used (I use a German XP). --Abdull 17:17, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- This is excellent. Thank you for change. Jaxal1 01:39, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
How to Type the letter, for example ü in Waldseemüller ?
For those characters whose decimal equivalent number is less than 256, below process is valid for them.
If you want to use "ü" (u with diaeresis) instead of "u", for example, like in "Waldseemüller", then use these keyboard strokes / keys :
Press "W", "a", "l", "d", "s", "e", "e", "m". Then press ...
Alt + 0252 (it means, first press the "Alt" (Alternative/Alternate) key in your keyboard, and keep on pressing it (or keep on holding it) with your left hand, then press the digits 0 2 5 2 in sequence, one by one, in the right-side numeric keypad of your keyboard, then release the Alt key).
Then press "l", "l", "e", "r".
Then you will get Waldseemüller.
To make it linkable (to goto the article,) use two third brackets at the beginning and at the end of the name, like this example, '''Waldseemüller map''', then you will get (hyper-)linkable Waldseemüller map.
If you want to link to that (English) article through URL, then use below (hex) code ...
For example, hex code "FC" stands for "ü" (its decimal equvalent is 252, and its html (decimal numerical) equivalent is ü). Use "%" symbol before the hex code, to express the "ü" character, in a URL.
How to type for example, Œ (Latin Ligature OE) ?
For those characters whose decimal equivalent number is above 255, the Alt + Decimal_Equivalent_Number keycodes will not work, for most characters, except few characters like, for example, € (Euro Sign, Alt+0128, Html-Dec:€, Hex:20AC), Ÿ (Latin Cap Y with Diaereesis, Alt+0159, Html-Dec:Ÿ, Hex:178), etc which are re-mapped below 255.
The decimal equivalent number of Œ is 338. Html decimal equivalent is Œ. Html hexadecimal equivalent is Œ. Hex equivalent number is 152.
To obtain Œ, open or start the Microsoft Wordpad or Word in your computer.
Press "1", "5", "2". Then press ...
Alt + x (it means, first press the "Alt" (Alternative/Alternate) key in your keyboard, and keep on pressing it (or keep on holding it) with your left hand, then press the letter x, just one time, then release the Alt key).
Then you will get Œ. Now you can copy and paste this character where you want to use it.
If you press Alt+x again, then Œ will turn back to its equivalent hex code 152. This way you can get/reveal the hex code of other special characters also. In a website, if you see/find a special character that you want to use it, either copy and paste it, or, copy-paste into Wordpad, and use Alt+X to obtain/reveal its equvalent hex code. Use chart to find its equvalent decimal code, or, use the html hexadecimal numerical equivalent code to display that character.
Few other example: for Ω (Ohm Sign), type 3A9 Alt+x. For ∙ (Bullet Operator), type 2219 Alt+x. For ∞ (Infinity), type 221E Alt+x. For ≠ (Not Equal To), type 2260 Alt+x.
How many combinations are there? And how do we find them all? hehe. I was just messing around one day and found some neat ones ALT+789 = § ALT+456 = ╚ ALT+158 = ₧ ALT+154 = µ ALT+2547 = ≤ --184.108.40.206 14:08, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, the possiblities are nearly endless. Heres an example: 3跠?}?ç(?Õ?}髿疦瞯粇S6դ. You can do nearly anything. AstroHurricane001(Talk+Contribs+Ubx) 17:42, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
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Examples of box making.
The page is broken
look for 227. Thats where its broken. -IP User 22:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
- I fixed it yesterday. The problem was "rowspan." --에멜무지로 01:35, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I think the character tables in this article are completely redundant. Character tables for the obsolete code-pages can already be found in their respective articles, Code page 437, Code page 850, and Windows-1252. A character table for the complete Unicode character set would obviously be too large. If nobody objects, I will remove these tables and replace them with links to the aforementioned articles, as well as some ideas on where to get additional character charts from (e.g. Windows character map, or unicode.org). — Timwi (talk) 14:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Non-Windows Alt codes
Yes, there are, but it may still make sense to merge the pages, since the differences are small. DOS supported Alt codes; so does Linux (in console mode). --220.127.116.11 12:10, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Agree. There's nothing here that isn't provided by Windows Alt keycodes or Unicode#Input_methods. EdC 18:21, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
- Hm. I've improved it somewhat; maybe the best solution would be an article on Codepoint-based Unicode input systems which this could redirect to. EdC 19:05, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
The text currently says "The Alt key method does not work on Linux systems." However, on my Raspberry Pi running Raspbian, which is derived from Debian, Python programs using the curses library are picking up something like this. If I hold Alt and press digits on the keypad and then release Alt, I get several bytes at once, which may represent a Unicode character. If I hold Alt+Shift and do the same, I get a different result (but also several bytes). The slash, asterisk, plus, minus, and other keys also seem to change in this case (if they are the only keypad key I press). I came here looking for information on what I was getting with Alt, and Alt+Shift on the keypad. Could this be the result of my Dell keyboard alone? 18.104.22.168 (talk) 11:37, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
Quick Key bias
Is it really NPOV to have a comment saying that "Quick Key ... excels at ....", written by the author of that program? Perhaps a user with experience of the program might be able to provide a less biased view :-) 22.214.171.124 08:16, 22 March 2006 (UTC) I would be very grateful if you would prodvide us with a review of the software. An unbiased review would be very welcome. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs). 8 April 2006
I agree that that Codepoint-based Unicode input systems would be the most accurate title, and from an Encyclopedia point of view, this article should be merged to reduce repetition. However, in my opinion, the sort of people with the computer skills and vocabulary to get through the first paragraph of "Unicode Input Methods" already understand alt codes. Most computer users (sadly enough) have a very hard time comprehending the fact that computers store text in numerical format, and will faint the first time they see something like U+FFFF. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs). 8 April 2006
Alt+0### is not a Unicode input method
The "###" in "Alt+0###" is not a Unicode code point and therefore this is not a Unicode input method. On my US Win2K system it appears to be giving me Windows-1252 characters. For example, Alt+0128 gives me the Euro symbol, and anything above 255 is entered as if I had typed it modulo 256 (e.g., 256=000, 257=001, and so on). This misinformation about it being "Unicode" is repeated on Unicode#Input methods as well. Please research the actual behavior and fix the articles.—mjb 00:40, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- I've actually seen some systems, with no relevant third-party software, configured in such a way as to allow unicode input (i.e. Alt-9674 = ◊) - This keeps getting repeated everywhere, and I've seen it with my own eyes, so at some point we need to track down what configuration results in this behavior. —Random832 16:53, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
On Windows 7 (which appears to come with EnableHexNumpad predefined) I've observed that Alt Num+ followed by numeric keypad digits does not work consistently (in some apps it will work ok, in others it will return a different character than expected), while Alt Num+ followed by regular top-row digits does work consistently in all applications (provided the font supports that character). For example, if I type +0128 using the numeric keypad then I will get € in most single-line edit controls, but Ĩ in most multi-line editors (including Notepad), while Num+ and 0128 via the top row always produces the latter. --184.108.40.206 (talk) 08:26, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
The general external link policy places some requirements on us, as does the "Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links" policy. In the context of this article, alt code "tutorial" or "reference" sites are a dime a dozen, and pretty much all amount to the same thing: some random person self-publishing some knowledge they cobbled together from who knows where, sometimes not entirely correct and usually limited in scope. The majority of them apparently exist to not just be helpful, but to provide a platform for advertising. None of them are providing any official/authoritative info (e.g. from Microsoft), and they're not anything we're recommending for further reading & in-depth research. Rather, they're just cheat sheets.
However helpful some of these sites may be, I think we have a responsibility to exercise discretion in linking to them. I'm not saying we can't link to any cheat sheets, but we can't link to all of them, so we have to decide which ones are worth linking to. That is, we must have criteria by which we gauge the acceptability of an external link, above and beyond the bare minimum required by the general guidelines; otherwise, the list of sites we're linking to will just grow and grow, violating the policies against indiscriminate linking.
Here's what I consider acceptable, above and beyond the general restrictions in WP:EL (e.g. no blogs):
- The site should not be redundant — if two sites are providing mostly the same info, we should only link to one.
- The site does not contain advertising or other self-promotion — posting a link to your Google Ads-laden site is spam, IMHO.
I found the currently-linked alt-codes.org to be really convoluted - I just wanted a simple list since my v key stopped working. I found alt-codes.net to be much clearer. They both have ads. What do you think? goodeye (talk) 22:36, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
- I don't see any adds on http://alt-codes.org/ (though I wouldn't bother to use or recommend it) TEDickey (talk) 23:52, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Facts about alt codes
"This article contains instructions, advice, or how-to content. The purpose of Wikipedia is to present facts, not to train. Please help improve this article either by rewriting the how-to content or by moving it to Wikiversity or Wikibooks. (December 2009)"
But instructions are facts, and this content was useful and exactly what I was looking for. An implicit purpose of Wikipedia is to be useful. IMHO the facts on this page are useful because Windows is widely used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alan8 (talk • contribs) 20:31, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Linux LibreOffice input
The article mentions "In LibreOffice, OpenOffice.org and Inkscape, for example, only the second method works. In GTK only the third method works." I'm using LibreOffice under Debian (Wheezy) here, and all three methods work just fine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 21:48, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Composition exiting after the third digit without releasing Alt
The article talks about "composition exiting after the third digit without releasing Alt", but I have never managed to enter multiple characters this way. Petr Matas 10:32, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- User:Spitzak removed it. Under standard traditional MS-DOS and MS-WINDOWS, no character is entered until the Alt key is released... AnonMoos (talk) 07:52, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Circular reference via Code Page 437
The character-set table in Code_page_437#Characters is not "Alt codes" as insisted by an editor, because any of the code-pages can be treated in this manner. The logical way forward is presumably to spam every code-page topic into the See also list TEDickey (talk) 01:26, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
- The page should include links to relevant codepages nonetheless. Perhaps a table? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 13:06, 3 February 2015 (UTC)