Talk:Alta Vista Gardens

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I <name redacted>, Vice president of the Board of Alta Vista Botanical Gardens and web master of our web site hereby grant Wikipedia permission to use copied text from our web site in the article describing our Garden. I hereby make the text of this website available for modification and reuse in Wikipedia under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License and the GNU Free Documentation License] (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts)."

Sincerely, <name redacted>

The other issues with this entry is that it is overly promotional in tone and completely unsourced. You might also want to read the section regarding conflict of interest since you are affiliated with the subject of the entry. Either because of the copyright issue or the issues I just mentioned, it will need to be rewritten. I have fixed the spacing so that it displays properly. A leading space (to indent for example) will cause formatting problems. Please ask if you have any questions. Wperdue (talk) 17:30, 5 July 2009 (UTC)wperdue

Feldmoves (talk) 17:57, 5 July 2009 (UTC) I don't know what to do now

<name redacted>

The next step would be to tone down the language so that it is more neutral. It is still too promotional. Also, you will want to find reliable third-party sources that refer the subject. I will remove the speedy deletion template and put the standard maintenance tags on the entry while you work on it. Wperdue (talk) 18:01, 5 July 2009 (UTC)wperdue

Feldmoves (talk) 18:03, 5 July 2009 (UTC) I need to leave now but will return to this later today. i did edit the page and removed a lot of the fluff. We ARE a relatively new botanical Garden and are having trouble creating a presence that people can find. I had hoped that getting listed in wikipedia would help.

  • In that case, you're basically admitting that your intent for opening an account on Wikipedia is solely to advertise your company, which clearly goes against Wiki's spam policies. That's without mentioning the clear conflict of interest spawning from the creation of this article. Therefore, the article will be put up for deletion pretty quickly, as it should, unless the article is rewritten from a neutral point of view and reliable third-party sources can be found. Also, do not remove article issue templates until they have been resolved. sixtynine • spill it • 18:58, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Feldmoves (talk) 16:31, 12 July 2009 (UTC)Can we remove the nomination for deletion? The article now meets all of the criteria required.

last paragraph[edit]

The information in the last paragraph is provided through usage of an advertisement. Is that valid? If not it should be removed or a better source providedOttawa4ever (talk) 22:51, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Feldmoves (talk) 14:01, 8 July 2009 (UTC)I have done considerable work on this article. Added relevant information about its development and where it is today. I had tried earlier to add some information about its history but it was removed, so be it. Can we take my name off of the top of this page?

Feldmoves (talk) 16:31, 12 July 2009 (UTC)Can we remove the nomination for deletion? The article now meets all of the criteria required.

Prior to any removal, consesus of the community must be achieved. Currently there is no strong consesnus at this point either way. We have to let other users weigh in and say if they feel the worries of the article have been achieved. After that an admin will review the case and make a determination. Usually a tag like this can last up to 2 weeks. Ottawa4ever (talk) 16:35, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

removing POV tag with no active discussion per Template:POV[edit]

I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:

This template is not meant to be a permanent resident on any article. Remove this template whenever:
  1. There is consensus on the talkpage or the NPOV Noticeboard that the issue has been resolved
  2. It is not clear what the neutrality issue is, and no satisfactory explanation has been given
  3. In the absence of any discussion, or if the discussion has become dormant.

Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 04:06, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Copyvio edits and advertising[edit]

@Feldmoves: Regarding this, I reverted because the edits are a copyright violation, not written from a neutral point of view, and are so messy as to render it difficult for other editors to clean up. The copyvio notwithstanding, the article would read more like an advertisement rather than an unbiased encyclopedia article. Copyvio sources are here and here (there may be others). Please do not WP:COPY-PASTE. Thank you. Brycehughes (talk) 03:19, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Oh, missed the OTRS permission – I retract my WP:COPYVIO argument for reverting. Still very much WP:NPOV / WP:NOTADVERTISING though. That text from your website won't work. Thank you. Brycehughes (talk) 03:54, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Actually, I copied it from the Word Document I built that text in and then pasted it in the AVBG web site. I copied it from myself. Now, the Wikipedia article is still extremely thin and incomplete. How can I fix this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Feldmoves (talkcontribs) 22:58, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
To start, the information you add needs to be written in an objective and unbiased style, free of puffery. Check out some other botanical garden articles. For example, a few decent ones for California gardens are here, here, and here. Note their tone, and then contrast it with your own. Try to mimic the style of writing... it's the style of an encyclopedia, rather than a commercial document. Take a look at WP:TONE and at the policy links in my comment above (esp. WP:NOTADVERTISING and WP:SPAM). Feel free to ask me questions on my talk page. Wikipedia:Teahouse is a great place to ask questions. And take care in editing—the Wikipedia community generally frowns upon conflict-of-interest editing like this (take a look at WP:COI). Brycehughes (talk) 07:54, 24 February 2014 (UTC)