Talk:Alternate history

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edit·history·watch·refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for Alternate history:
  • Find more sources for the article.
  • Cleanup the "External Links" section, there is way to many links there and they need to be limited to notable sites.
  • Copyedit/proofread article to meet Manual of Style.
  • See if "Points of divergence", "Counterfactual history", and "Sidewise Award for Alternate History", should have their own sections or be worked into "See Also"
  • "Elements of alternate history" and "Development of more sophisticated framings" needs sources.
  • Add a Comics sub-section in "Alternate history in other media." See What If (comics), Elseworlds, and List of alternate history fiction#Comics for ideas.
  • Remove many of the specific examples of alternate history. They are threatening to overwhelm the article.

Please add more items if you think they need addressing.

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Alternative vs Alternate[edit]

Alternative is the proper English spelling. "Alternate" is only in American English and it causes confusion because the word has a double meaning: alternate is something that alternates back and forth, like the current, whereas if we talk about history, we refer to a history that's an alternative to the real one. 14.14.77.121 (talk) 12:08, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

American English is just as valid as British English - neither is more "proper" than the other. Wikipedia recognizes this in its WP:ENGVAR guideline, which allows articles to be written in different varieties of English. "Alternate history" is the correct title, as this is what the concept is called in American English. - BilCat (talk) 16:19, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

I have just consulted the Merriam Webster online dictionary (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alternate), and the first three definitions of 'alternate' do not have the meaning the authors of this article intended to express, and the fourth definition says alternative means "constituting an alternative". It is on this basis that I'm changing the title from 'Alternate history' to 'Alternative history'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.92.236.192 (talk) 18:55, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Just to note that the term was restored just after you reverted it. Using a dictionary to define one part of a phrase is inadequate. - BilCat (talk) 16:55, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
The issue is simply that using the verb "alternate" when "alternative" is meant is regarded as incorrect for obvious reasons (source: OED) and at best is ambiguous. There's no reason to use a word that's either wrong or confusing when there's a perfectly superior alternative.
Further, the claim that American English is just as valid as British English is completely irrelevant - the point is one word is unambiguous and only used by a subset of English speakers whereas the other is not and is used by all English speakers. It's clear which should be preferred (and that's before pointing out that the use of "alternate" in this article is a novel and minor meaning of a word that usually means something completely different). Turkeyphant 01:47, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Did you read the previous discussions in the two archives?--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 02:25, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
I was unable to find anything against this suggestion... Turkeyphant 17:51, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Check at:
Talk:Alternative history (genre)/Archive 1#'Alternate' or 'Alternative?'
Talk:Alternative history (genre)/Archive 2#Propose move to Alternative history
Not to mention #Article title near the top of this page
--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 18:51, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Whatever the position is in 'normal' English, the fact remains that the genre is called Alternate History. That is the accepted convention. Changing it to alternative would actually create confusion by implying something different.Ian (talk) 10:19, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

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Alternate long history?[edit]

So alternate history is about fictional worlds in which one or more historical events unfolded differently from how it did in reality, but what about alternate history on larger scales such as evolution of life on Earth or alike?

I guess that's not alternate history anymore but something else and just related. Is there an article for that? Or maybe I'm wrong and that would also be part of alternate history? (In that case however parts of this article would need to be rewritten.)

Basically it's alternate recent history of humanity vs. history of the Earth...and actually also vs. alternate long history of humanity (prehistory and human evolution).

Thinking about this since I wasn't sure whether or not to categorize The Long Earth under alternate history novels. It's not an alternate history novel as outlined in this article, so what to do now?

--Fixuture (talk) 18:46, 22 August 2015 (UTC)